Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Thanks again for your automated opinion. I did tell you, you could edit the title or I would. By inference, since you had time for the above but not to edit the title, you'd rather I would. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: With Allen looking as bad as he does, even though these two did absolutely nothing offensively to help his cause, McD and Beane must be in panic mode (Derek Anderson, really?). Not only do you have to rebuild an entire offense but your prized QB is beyond terrible. Maybe if they would have listened to the overwhelming majority of pundits they wouldn't have traded all their draft capital for a guy with suspect accuracy and pocket awareness. Couple this with underachieving at Wyoming and I'm not really sure why he was ever a consideration in the first round to begin with. If its me..and trust me I know this will not happen.. I am very seriously considering a QB with my top 10 pick next year if there isn't any progression. I know everyone wants to give it time but how often is a QB utterly awful only to turn it around and become great these days (Goff seems to be the exception to the rule - not ready to anoint Trubisky). So I'd be kicking my self in the rear if I were these guys. I gave up (2) crucial 2nd round picks that could have been used to bolster my roster even further and probably could have done so and skill gotten Josh Rosen had I stayed put. So go ahead and tell me it's too early. Some of us know when things are going to end poorly (EJ Manuel). My advice to Beane and McD is think long and hard this offseason and don't be blinded by reality...you're jobs may depend on it. Man, go sit down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Quick, easy, delicious taco dip 8 oz. cream cheese 1 can hormel chili handful of shredded cheddar cheese diced jalapeños This is so easy and goes over well at any party. Take the cream cheese in a pie tin and spread to cover the entire bottom and even on the side. Open the chili can and spread it on top of the cream cheese layer. Next, take some diced jalapeños and scatter them throughout the chili. I also use a little of the juice from the jalapeños depending on how spicy you want it. Cover the top with the shredded cheese and bake at 350 for 15-17 minutes. This is whole thing can be done in 20 minutes start to finish and it is always a hit!! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I live in a world where all possibilities must be considered and I think Beane and McD should think long and hard IF things continue down this road about what hitching their wagons to this QB would mean to the long term prospects of the franchise. Don't want to set us back several years based on a faulty belief. we can discuss football, but this thread was a need of attention. as i mentioned before, this isn't necessary. i'm here to hang out and talk. positive attention is so much more productive than negative attention. i'm here for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I live in a world where all possibilities must be considered and I think Beane and McD should think long and hard IF things continue down this road about what hitching their wagons to this QB would mean to the long term prospects of the franchise. Don't want to set us back several years based on a faulty belief. OP, defend your position. You have 11 working parts on an Offense (and a defense obviously), the entire unit is completely broken except for one (McCoy). You lost 3 big parts on the line, and didn't have much skill or talent in the other positions to improve, and you added one new part who is learning his way as he goes. Wouldn't it make sense to improve the other pieces around it and then see if the new one is the faulty piece, or if its something else? Trial and error? The sample size is too small currently to make that call and I am terrible at statistics, but even I know it's too small. PS, if your approach wasn't so confrontational and believing it to be fact, you may not be ganged up on in the way you are. Have a discussion, and don't jump to conclusions about it being a cult. There are really smart people here who know a lot about football and are much smarter than me. I'm sure they'd be willing to engage in a rational discussion with facts and backing instead of an emotional hot take that you push off as truth. Just my opinion. Go Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, teef said: we can discuss football, but this thread was a need of attention. as i mentioned before, this isn't necessary. i'm here to hang out and talk. positive attention is so much more productive than negative attention. i'm here for you. I actually do have a lot of respect for you because you usually avoid personal attacks and actually offer insight as to why you disagree. I can't say this board is very classy otherwise .. and I was on the receiving end of a ban because I had the gall to fight back. I'm just not sure how I'm in need of attn when the past two weeks our QB has been 26/52 with 3 picks. 5 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said: OP, defend your position. You have 11 working parts on an Offense (and a defense obviously), the entire unit is completely broken except for one (McCoy). You lost 3 big parts on the line, and didn't have much skill or talent in the other positions to improve, and you added one new part who is learning his way as he goes. Wouldn't it make sense to improve the other pieces around it and then see if the new one is the faulty piece, or if its something else? Trial and error? The sample size is too small currently to make that call and I am terrible at statistics, but even I know it's too small. PS, if your approach wasn't so confrontational and believing it to be fact, you may not be ganged up on in the way you are. Have a discussion, and don't jump to conclusions about it being a cult. There are really smart people here who know a lot about football and are much smarter than me. I'm sure they'd be willing to engage in a rational discussion with facts and backing instead of an emotional hot take that you push off as truth. Just my opinion. Go Bills I'm really not sure how you can take my initial post as confrontational or is it confrontational because you disagree? I think that's a valid question to be asked around here. Very much seems like a good ol boys club who can't handle dissent sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I actually do have a lot of respect for you because you usually avoid personal attacks and actually offer insight as to why you disagree. I can't say this board is very classy otherwise .. and I was on the receiving end of a ban because I had the gall to fight back. I'm just not sure how I'm in need of attn when the past two weeks our QB has been 26/52 with 3 picks. I'm really not sure how you can take my initial post as confrontational or is it confrontational because you disagree? I think that's a valid question to be asked around here. Very much seems like a good ol boys club who can't handle dissent sometimes. See again. I'm not part of any good ol boys club. I want the Bills to win period. And when I stated confrontational you passed off your post in a factly manner and not of it being your opinion. My opinion if you want is that you're overreacting and it's too early to write him off and look to draft a QB this coming year. I dont care if its Edwards, Taylor, Allen or Manuel under center. I want this team to win. Period. I don't care if we throw for 400 yards or 4. If we win, I'm happy. That doesn't make me a kool aid drinker or anything else. It just makes me a fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Just makes me sad to see so many Bills fans burying their hand in the sand on Josh Allen. We all want him to work out. We've suffered long enough. No one is actively rooting for him to fail and we all know how bad QB's look like. I understand wanting to mark some of it down to him being a rookie but stop setting yourselves up to be disappointed. There's things that he's doing so poorly that has nothing to do with him being a rookie. He's just not good and it's a shame that they put no offensive talent around him that masks some of his issues but he has serious accuracy, timing, touch and intelligent issues that are too much to overcome. I know he's 6'5, 237, mobile and has an incredible arm but it's crazy to me that McDermott and Beane banked their mortgages and their careers on a guy who struggled in the Mountain West Conference. Edited October 8, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Quick, easy, delicious taco dip 8 oz. cream cheese 1 can hormel chili handful of shredded cheddar cheese diced jalapeños This is so easy and goes over well at any party. Take the cream cheese in a pie tin and spread to cover the entire bottom and even on the side. Open the chili can and spread it on top of the cream cheese layer. Next, take some diced jalapeños and scatter them throughout the chili. I also use a little of the juice from the jalapeños depending on how spicy you want it. Cover the top with the shredded cheese and bake at 350 for 15-17 minutes. This is whole thing can be done in 20 minutes start to finish and it is always a hit!! This is even better if you use Skyline chili in place of Hormel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: I actually do have a lot of respect for you because you usually avoid personal attacks and actually offer insight as to why you disagree. I can't say this board is very classy otherwise .. and I was on the receiving end of a ban because I had the gall to fight back. I'm just not sure how I'm in need of attn when the past two weeks our QB has been 26/52 with 3 picks. I'm really not sure how you can take my initial post as confrontational or is it confrontational because you disagree? I think that's a valid question to be asked around here. Very much seems like a good ol boys club who can't handle dissent sometimes. Not a fair assessment imo. I get it that you feel ganged up on, but... Just like you value dissent (I really do too), when you post something baseless and crazy, people will share their opinions on how crazy it is. Good 'ol boys club? I just got here last year. Hap (the mod in this thread) just became a mod. The "fixture" poster haven't even posted in this thread because they know it's all LAMP. But I can't help but interject sometimes. ? So, feel free to make wild assertions and post whatever opinion you may have, but don't pretend like it's a grand conspiracy when people don't agree with you. We disagreed last night but I don't hate you or have hard feelings. I don't know the people on here, and doubt you do either, so why care? Anyway, my $.02 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Just makes me sad to see so many Bills fans burying their hand in the sand on Josh Allen. We all want him to work out. We've suffered long enough. No one is actively rooting for him to fail and we all know how bad QB's look like. I understand wanting to mark some of it down to him being a rookie but stop setting yourselves up to be disappointed. There's things that he's doing so poorly that has nothing to do with him being a rookie. He's just not good and it's a shame that they put no offensive talent around him that masks some of his issues but he has serious accuracy, timing, touch and intelligent issues that are too much to overcome. I know he's 6'5, 237, mobile and has an incredible arm but it's crazy to me that McDermott and Beane banked their mortgages and their careers on a guy who struggled in the Mountain West Conference. Exactly!!!! It's not like this guy was a stud in a 2nd rate conference. Much like Manuel I believe his accuracy flaws may be fatal. Couple this with the crap job the staff did surrounding him with talent and you have a recipe for disaster. So as much as a 13-12 win is a win it is not a sustainable model of success in today's NFL. The past 2 weeks have also offered nothing in terms of progression. 2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Not a fair assessment imo. I get it that you feel ganged up on, but... Just like you value dissent (I really do too), when you post something baseless and crazy, people will share their opinions on how crazy it is. Good 'ol boys club? I just got here last year. Hap (the mod in this thread) just became a mod. The "fixture" poster haven't even posted in this thread because they know it's all LAMP. But I can't help but interject sometimes. ? So, feel free to make wild assertions and post whatever opinion you may have, but don't pretend like it's a grand conspiracy when people don't agree with you. We disagreed last night but I don't hate you or have hard feelings. I don't know the people on here, and doubt you do either, so why care? Anyway, my $.02 Disagreement is fine and expected but I've been personally attacked and that you can't possibly justify that. That's why I made reference to the club..attack me personally and I'll go away. You're a mod..you should be vetting this behavior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Doc said: I think this is starting to enter the crusade territory, which is a TOS violation. I’d watch yourself OP. Well his name IS "jpsredemption"... He's been holding it in for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said: Exactly!!!! It's not like this guy was a stud in a 2nd rate conference. Much like Manuel I believe his accuracy flaws may be fatal. Couple this with the crap job the staff did surrounding him with talent and you have a recipe for disaster. So as much as a 13-12 win is a win it is not a sustainable model of success in today's NFL. The past 2 weeks have also offered nothing in terms of progression. This season is about Josh Allen's development. We got the win which always feels nice but what he showed me makes me more of a skeptic than a believer. Would rather he look good and we lose than a 13-12 win that won't mean much in the larger scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Rooting for Josh to be the guy but today they hid Josh 100% with the game plan. I agree they needed to run more but at some point even with this rag tag group of targets we need to see some glimpses of passing competency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 hours ago, peterpan said: Lots of sarcastic replies but I think the OP is right and I think that at least the coaching staff knows it. This actually reminds me a lot of last season with Tyrod and when we signed Kyle Orton last minute. Marrone knew EJ blew but Whaley wouldn't accept it. The staff wanted to move on from Tyrod last year but Peterman was worse. I turned the game on half way through the 2nd quarter and it wasn't until later in the 4th quarter that I saw Allen make a good play actually throwing the ball. He threw two good ones in a row, the second was a pick bc generic deadbeat receiver let it go through his hands, off his helmet, and was picked. Everything else was pretty awful. Down by 2 with 4 minutes left and we ran the ball the whole way down the field. I think Allen threw two passes, a swing pass to McCoy and what was basically a bubble screen- basically long handoffs. The playcalls are hiding Allen and it's deserved. Allen really has a long, LONG way to go. Derek Anderson can't hurt anything and I won't be suprised if he gets some playing tome and some point. I'm just taking note of how long it'll be before the board turns on Allen. He's young and has plenty of time to grow, but he doesn't look good throwing the football. That's a hard fact! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Ok First for Transparency I HATED the Allen pick. When it happened I said Wrong Josh. Now that being said its 4 games into his career. 16 more really to go before people can say what they definitely have here at QB. What I see is a Rookie at this point. Hard time coming off first read. Slow in his progressions at times, trouble picking up things at the line pre snap. Accuracy problems when mechanics are not sound. Essentially Tyrod Taylor (but only 4 games in now 7 years in). He has the worst set of Weapons the Bills have ever had since I can remember. However all that said he is NOTHING like EJ Manuel why because every game there are flashes there are those plays that say yep we may have found one here. As I have said with Allen hopefully by the end of the season you start to see those flashes of plays string together into complete QTRs, then Complete Games, then Multiple games. If that happens (even with some set back games sprinkled in there you can feel confident going into 2019). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I personally am quite upset that Allen looks like a kid that was playing at Wyoming 9 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Well his name IS "jpsredemption"... He's been holding it in for a long time. Must have strong sphincter muscles by now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I personally am quite upset that Allen looks like a kid that was playing at Wyoming 9 months ago How many holes did you punch in your wall? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, prissythecat said: Must have strong sphincter muscles by now ? JPL love proved here long ago to be very late to die....it is the most durable of all loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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