Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Both Seattle and Cincy lost their TE's for the season this weekend. Both want to contend this year, so why not see if we can trade them Clay? He is doing very little, I have always felt his effort varies widely form play to play, and I think its quite possible he won't be here next year anyway. I do realize, he is probably our best receiving option right now on this team since KB, ZJ, and the rest of the WRS suck...but I have also liked what little we have seen from Croom and think it won't matter much if we trade Clay since we are not getting much out of him anyway. I do think guys like McCoy, KB, and Shaq are also trade candidates before the deadline, but I think Clay is a guy that fills an urgent need right now on 2 teams looking to contend this year and his value would be at the highest this week for whatever we can get for him. Edited October 2, 2018 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Maybe TBD's resident cap experts can chime in but would there be any positive or negative cap impact on trading Clay before the deadline? Right now the Bills can cut Charles Clay in 2019 and save 4.5 million on his 9 million cap number and be clear of any remaining cap charges in 2020. If the Bills were to trade Clay for a mid to late round pick to Cincy or some other team does that save the Bills anything significant in 2019? I think if you can get a 5th round pick and there is lets say a bigger cap savings in 2019 from trading him then you have to consider it. But if there isn't a cap savings and you can't get a highish pick for him then you are better off keeping on of your only decent receiving option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 No one will take that contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Aint gonna happen. AND you make THIS team that much worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Doubtful that a team would trade for Clay considering that contract. He will likely finish out this season with the Bills then we can finally get rid of the worst contract in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Maybe TBD's resident cap experts can chime in but would there be any positive or negative cap impact on trading Clay before the deadline? Right now the Bills can cut Charles Clay in 2019 and save 4.5 million on his 9 million cap number and be clear of any remaining cap charges in 2020. If the Bills were to trade Clay for a mid to late round pick to Cincy or some other team does that save the Bills anything significant in 2019? I think if you can get a 5th round pick and there is lets say a bigger cap savings in 2019 from trading him then you have to consider it. But if there isn't a cap savings and you can't get a highish pick for him then you are better off keeping on of your only decent receiving option. Admittedly I didn't take salary cap into consideration because I thought he was in the last year of his deal, which appears to be wrong. So yeah, salary cap should then also be a consideration of course then. But I think we need a new TE regardless, so I think if we can get a 5th or even a 4th from someone like Cincy who might be more desperate because they need to go deep this year in the playoffs for some people to keep their jobs IMO, then lets get rid of him. He is one of the most aggravating players in IMO because he is capable of being so much more but his effort and focus has always been inconsistent to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Fire sale. Everything must go. No reasonable offer refused. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 .....fire everybody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Cincinnati I don’t think is realistic at all. Have you ever watched their back up tight ends play in that system? Those guys can ball. And as others stated nobody is gonna want clay and his deteriorating knees on their team with that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sweats said: .....fire everybody Allen for a third and future considerations? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Our crap for their.... not crap? Ill take that everytime!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Fire sale. Everything must go. No reasonable offer refused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 In order to have a fire sale, some of your merchandise would have had to survive the fire. There's nothing left to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 If you were a rival GM, you wouldn't even take on that contract as a gift. When I wrote here in the pre-season to get rid of him, the resident geniuses told me how good he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 28 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Doubtful that a team would trade for Clay considering that contract. He will likely finish out this season with the Bills then we can finally get rid of the worst contract in the league. Even though Clay is overpaid and overguaranteed to hell, his contract is hardly cap prohibitive. He was the best FA TE on the market in the last 5 years. 1 minute ago, Kemp said: If you were a rival GM, you wouldn't even take on that contract as a gift. When I wrote here in the pre-season to get rid of him, the resident geniuses told me how good he was. That's because those "resident geniuses" knew it would actually cost the Bills $4.5M more to cut him than keep him in dead cap this year. But hey, you called it (incorrectly) without doing a single second of research! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Wait a minute... isn't Charles Clay one of our most reliable receivers? I haven't even bothered to look at the stats, but every game I see him real in catches that our wide receivers drop. Is this another "we should tank" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I would be furious if my team gave up a 5th to take on Clay and that over priced contract... I can’t see it happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Both Seattle and Cincy lost their TE's for the season this weekend. Both want to contend this year, so why not see if we can trade them Clay? He is doing very little, I have always felt his effort varies widely form play to play, and I think its quite possible he won't be hear next year anyway. I do realize, he is probably our best receiving option right now on this team since KB, ZJ, and the rest of the WRS suck...but I have also liked what little we have seen from Croom and think it won't matter much if we trade Clay since we are not getting much out of him anyway. I do think guys like McCoy, KB, and Shaq are also trade candidates before the deadline, but I think Clay is a guy that fills an urgent need right now on 2 teams looking to contend this year and his value would be at the highest this week for whatever we can get for him. I think Clay is still a decent (not great) player, and I don't see the upside in forcing Allen to play with scrubs only. Indeed, I only see downside for Allen's development. Clay is really the only starting-caliber receiver on the team given that Benjamin looks simply awful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 If there is a market and a possible trade do it right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think Clay is still a decent (not great) player, and I don't see the upside in forcing Allen to play with scrubs only. Indeed, I only see downside for Allen's development. Clay is really the only starting-caliber receiver on the team given that Benjamin looks simply awful. I dont disagree with this, I just dont believe Clay will be here next year...so rather than just cut him, I would be interested in getting more draft assets in this draft. The more we have, the more ammo we have to move around the draft when opportunity arises like how Edmunds got to us. Doesnt even have to be first round movement, we could use more picks to move up in other rounds to grab a guy they covet who may not last to our pick. And if we dont trade, we could use all those picks to address holes. So, while I agree Clay is the best receiving option, he is also doing nothing for this team right now, so might as well get something for him if we can net a 5th for him IMO and get rid of his contract too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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