GunnerBill Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Augie said: How many times are we going to do this? Every week Augie. Every. Single. Week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I dont need to protect Josh Allen He is going to end up proving me right all on his own.....it just might not be this year Solid deflection. Make point. Said point gets proven wrong. Don't regard that at all and ramble on incoherently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So many missed opportunities with QB's over the past decade and a half...Mahomes is one of many that could have been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I think it's a bit early to compare Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes considering Mahomes is a year further along and is surrounded by tons of talent. Saying that, the situation the Bills are in with Allen is entirely McBeans fault. If the plan was to start Allen from the get go why did they wait until the 5th round to draft an OL and the 6th round to draft a WR? Instead they drafted a LB(giving away picks for that), a DT, a CB and a Safety before addressing anything on the offensive side of the ball. This was of course after they knew Wood/Incognito were gone and the most they'd done in FA was picking up Bodine and a WR Kerley, who they've already cut. So maybe their plan was to sit Allen? Well that has failed miserably as well. They made no attempt to be aggressive in finding a place holder QB and were content signing the last QB off the scrap heap. Who they then traded and rolled into the season with freaking Nathan Peterman. Yes, they have loads of money for FA next year and they have the draft. They also have a huge lack of talent across the entire team. The Bills need at least 3 OL, at least 2 WRs, a TE, probably a RB. They also will need to replace some players on defense, another LB, DT, DE and probably a CB. And those are all starters the Bills need, the Bills then need depth as well. They will need to absolutely knock it out of the park in the draft and FA, and then some. I don't think anyone should be fired, that's ridiculously reactionary but it certainly does raise an eyebrow as to what exactly they are doing but 'Trust the Process', Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: We also dont have KC's offensive supporting cast.....and of course Mahommes got to sit a year and was not ready when he came into the league.... but hey....... Of course, last year we were built to let a qb sit while this year we were not. Additionally with two offseasons and two drafts one might say we could’ve added more offensive talent than we have. But hey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 If i had to do anything, i would build a time machine and force russ brandon to offer money and organizational control to andy reid. Instead, they did one of their half step shuffles. Whaley moved from agm to gm, and brandon became no stone unturned guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I would call you a troll but that would mean you actually put thought into your posts before actually posting them..... Go get me a friggen juicebox.....and when your ready to look at the situation logically then come back and converse with the adults After all the times you’ve went down with sinking ships you’d think you’d at least have the courtesy to be a tiny bit polite about disagreements. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I think the point is not “is this fair” the point is “this conversation has happened 3 times in 4 weeks” we know everyone’s view now. I think the point is not “is this fair” the point is “this conversation has happened 3 times in 4 weeks” we know everyone’s view now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Memories are very foggy here. Going into that draft there were plenty of questions about Mahomes. People were concerned about his mechanics, especially his footwork. Concern was expressed over him coming out of a one read spread offense and whether he would be able to adapt to the pro game. I personally wanted Watson, but concerns about his game as well. Memories about our weapons are foggy as well. People bring up not keeping Goodwin, and forget how ineffective he was here. People forget Woods wanted to get back to the West coast. Sammy has been discussed to death. Good for Mahomes. He's playing well. Watson is a bit up and down now. Trubisky has been spotty and just had his best game. Allen looked good last week and not good Sunday. I will judge McD and Beane by decisions they make, not ones they don't make. When teams ahead of us in last year's draft see a CB get torched do they scream they could have had Tredavious? Allen is their guy. They now need to get a line in front of him (situations with Wood and Richie didn't help), WRs have to catch the ball. They have a ton of picks and a ton of cap space. Their future lies in how well they use those assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: We also dont have KC's offensive supporting cast.....and of course Mahommes got to sit a year and was not ready when he came into the league.... but hey....... Bills could have done the same. Instead they picked up one of the worst of the available FA QBs to replace Taylor and ended up having to start the rookie. They broke up the team and then focused almost entirely on defense in the initial rebuild. They chose a different route but could have just as easily given Mahomes a year to sit and a decent supporting cast if they chose to. They desperately needed a QB right from year one. They didn't draft one until year two. To me that means that they just didn't believe in Mahomes or believed in Taylor before they him watched play close up him for a season. Either one is an evaluation error. It doesn't mean it can't still work out but it was a missed opportunity for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) How would Josh Allen look with Andy Reid and the Chiefs? It was rumored Whaley was fired by Pegula for not taking Mahomes https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707036-doug-whaley-passing-on-patrick-mahomes-rumored-to-be-final-straw-before-firing Edited October 2, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Real McCoy said: How would Josh Allen look with Andy Reid and the Chiefs? ...or with run support last night of 142 yards?......naw, that wouldn't help............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: How would Josh Allen look with Andy Reid and the Chiefs? It was rumored Whaley was fired by Pegula for not taking Mahomes https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707036-doug-whaley-passing-on-patrick-mahomes-rumored-to-be-final-straw-before-firing First time I've seen that... Not sure if I believe it or not. So does he get credit for Tre in that scenario then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: First time I've seen that... Not sure if I believe it or not. So does he get credit for Tre in that scenario then? Gave himself credit for parting gift instead leaving team with 2 first picks in 2018. He get's credit for Tre. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/22/doug-whaley-claims-credit-for-parting-gift-of-two-first-round-picks/ I personally wanted either him or Watson with that pick as we needed a QB badly. 90% of fans here were saying "next year is the time to draft a QB" Water under the bridge now though. Fans just need patience with Josh. Beane has to build up the WR and Oline core the next offseason. Let's go Josh Allen! Edited October 2, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: How would Josh Allen look with Andy Reid and the Chiefs? It was rumored Whaley was fired by Pegula for not taking Mahomes https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2707036-doug-whaley-passing-on-patrick-mahomes-rumored-to-be-final-straw-before-firing That report is simply wrong. McDermott ran that draft. Whaley just negotiated the terms of the trades under parameters established by McDermott. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: First time I've seen that... Not sure if I believe it or not. So does he get credit for Tre in that scenario then? Whaley gets the blame for Mahomes and Beane gets the credit for White, duh. (Even though Beane wasn't here yet). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Reks Ryan said: It's heartbreaking to watch this guy and knowing that we have still have a big Question Mark at QB. Not to mention Deshaun Watson. But Whaley and the entire scouting department actually were fired immediately after screwing up and not taking either guy. It's just stupid that you would have a lame duck staff run the draft. Can't fire Pegula. Incorrect. Whaley was a lame-duck and his staff were lame-ducks on Draft Day as Whaley was fired the day after the draft, and his staff fired shortly after Beane was hired. Rumor has it that Whaley wanted to draft Deshaun Watson in the first round. McDermott won the power struggle with Whaley, and he passed on both Mahomes and Watson to draft ANOTHER DB. White may be a good CB -- he might become a great DB -- but the great DBs are almost a dime a dozen compared to great QBs. FTR, the Bills have drafted a CB or S in the first round since 1996 (Jim Kelly's last season) in 1999, 2001, 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2017. The Bills drafted a QB in the first round in 2004, 2013, and 2018 ... despite not having a quality NFL starting QB except when they drafted Losman in 2004 when they had Drew Bledsoe. IMO, Losman, Manuel, and Allen were all drafted in order to placate the fan base. Both Losman and Allen were the worst of the best top QB prospects in their draft years, and the Bills traded up to get both of them. Manuel wasn't even the best prospect in a terrible QB class in which none of the QBs were good enough to be NFL QBs. If the Bills REALLY had a plan to build a respectable modern offense around a franchise QB, they would have sought to replace Wood and Incognito with better FAs than the bottom feeder OLers they scrounged from the NFL scrap heap and drafted other offensive players in 2018 before the end of the fifth round. Even if Allen can be a good/great NFL QB, he's probably doomed because of the simply awful offensive team around him. Sadly, it's likely that Mahomes would suffer the same fate if the Bills had drafted him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nelius said: Probably should have stopped at Dak. Wilson is a horrible example. Yes, please give me a Super Bowl champion and a 4x Pro Bowler at QB.. Isn’t Tyrod a two or three time Pro Bowler? Super bowl wins are a team stat? Wilson isn’t doing so hot without an elite defense or running game is he? Edited October 2, 2018 by prissythecat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 He has Andy Ried as a head coach, a solid O line, and unbelievable weapons on offense, do you really think he would even come close to his stats here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, twist_to_open said: He has Andy Ried as a head coach, a solid O line, and unbelievable weapons on offense, do you really think he would even come close to his stats here? Maybe the real question is: How did the Chiefs manage to trade up for the QB of the future giving up picks, keep a quality QB Alex Smith on the roster until Mahomes was ready AND acquire all of those weapons? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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