ctk232 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 21 hours ago, K-9 said: This will be a challenge for Daboll more so than for Allen, imo. Exactly - though if we see more play calls like the Croom TD pass with the pump fake to Ivory in the flat, I think it will create a much more difficult game to plan for. It's one thing to recognize the coverage. But route options that give Allen multiple looks, or even planned play calls like the pump fake LB read to Croom in the end zone, will be there every week as long as the play call comes in from the sideline. I liked the play calling from Daboll yesterday overall - I've also almost forgotten what it's like to have an actual passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 What adjustment are they going to make Blitz him more? They are doing that Keep him in the pocket and "make him be a qb" oh god PLEASE do that This is why you draft a Josh Allen......he can sit in the pocket and hit every part of the field with a flick of his wrist..... or He can scoot for a 1st down with ease....its not Tyrod Taylor ease....but Tyrod could not sit in the pocket and fire away the way Josh does either I think it is important to note that he is doing this with NO running game to speak of....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: What adjustment are they going to make Blitz him more? They are doing that Keep him in the pocket and "make him be a qb" oh god PLEASE do that This is why you draft a Josh Allen......he can sit in the pocket and hit every part of the field with a flick of his wrist..... or He can scoot for a 1st down with ease....its not Tyrod Taylor ease....but Tyrod could not sit in the pocket and fire away the way Josh does either I think it is important to note that he is doing this with NO running game to speak of....... I think we already saw one of the adjustments Vikings made in the second half in playing cover two with various five man delayed blitz packages. This is what I'd do against Allen. We don't really have an imposing running game, so no need for defenses to keep an extra safety in the box. Plus, Allen has shown some weakness in diagnosing coverage, extra rushers, and being consistently accurate. You make him beat you by finding receivers in the gaps for 5--7 gains all the way up the field. Edited September 24, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 The same can be said for all the rookies. This is stating the obvious. That is exactly what NFL defensive coaches do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 21 hours ago, Max Fischer said: So far, I'm not seeing many rookie tendencies. He uses the whole field, has no favorite receiver, his touch passes improve every week and it's just a matter of time before he starts to hit the home run ball. The greatest weakness is he doesn't have experience and may be susceptible to "new" defenses. In order to have a favorite he'd need a consistent one and that's a huge problem. It kinda works out for him though because opposing teams can't highlight who he likes to throw to. We could run the same play 10 times and he could throw it to a different player every time. That's just how inconsistent our guys are. They need to get a lot better and help him out a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Clause Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 9 hours ago, DCOrange said: Hopefully this pass distribution is an anomaly and not an attempt to avoid throwing to his left since he's still working on his mechanics when throwing that way, but we'll see. If this becomes a trend, defenses will definitely take notice. Edit: I say this as one of the people that's been high on Allen as a draft prospect since his junior year. I love him and definitely love what I saw this week. They may have seen something as a weakness on that side they wanted to attack. jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think we already saw one of the adjustments Vikings made in the second half in playing cover two with various five man delayed blitz packages. This is what I'd do against Allen. We don't really have an imposing running game, so no need for defenses to keep an extra safety in the box. Plus, Allen has shown some weakness in diagnosing coverage, extra rushers, and being consistently accurate. You make him beat you by finding receivers in the gaps for 5--7 gains all the way up the field. Or this OL can get its crap together and start run blocking...... No excuse for the run blocking to be this bad And we took the foot off the gas yesterday in the 2nd half the vikings didnt stop Josh Allen Edited September 24, 2018 by John from Riverside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think we already saw one of the adjustments Vikings made in the second half in playing cover two with various five man delayed blitz packages. This is what I'd do against Allen. We don't really have an imposing running game, so no need for defenses to keep an extra safety in the box. Plus, Allen has shown some weakness in diagnosing coverage, extra rushers, and being consistently accurate. You make him beat you by finding receivers in the gaps for 5--7 gains all the way up the field. He only attempted 4 passes in the second half and completed all four - including one down the middle for 17 yards. Not sure what the Minnesota "adjustments" accomplished.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Also if you hadnt noticed Barr was the spy on allen all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 You don’t say? You mean defenses adjust to try and stop other teams offensive players. Wouldn’t of thunk it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: What adjustment are they going to make Blitz him more? They are doing that Keep him in the pocket and "make him be a qb" oh god PLEASE do that This is why you draft a Josh Allen......he can sit in the pocket and hit every part of the field with a flick of his wrist..... or He can scoot for a 1st down with ease....its not Tyrod Taylor ease....but Tyrod could not sit in the pocket and fire away the way Josh does either I think it is important to note that he is doing this with NO running game to speak of....... One adjustment I think we'll see sooner than later is designating a spy. Allen hurts defenses with his legs and teams need to account for that, especially when they are playing man coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 23 hours ago, Max Fischer said: So far, I'm not seeing many rookie tendencies. He uses the whole field, has no favorite receiver, his touch passes improve every week and it's just a matter of time before he starts to hit the home run ball. The greatest weakness is he doesn't have experience and may be susceptible to "new" defenses. Well said ! On top of that the kid is a freak running the ball ! Quick, agile and physical . They'll definitely make adjustments, I just don't think it matters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Bro you can't gameplan for a hurricane! Just batten down the hatches and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: What adjustment are they going to make Blitz him more? They are doing that Keep him in the pocket and "make him be a qb" oh god PLEASE do that This is why you draft a Josh Allen......he can sit in the pocket and hit every part of the field with a flick of his wrist..... or He can scoot for a 1st down with ease....its not Tyrod Taylor ease....but Tyrod could not sit in the pocket and fire away the way Josh does either I think it is important to note that he is doing this with NO running game to speak of....... Tyrod's scooting is more limited in that he can only run around defenders. Allen can run through them or jump over them if he feels so inclined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 23 hours ago, TigerJ said: When you have a rookie QB, the opposing team does not know what to expect in his first few games. A few more games into the season and opposing defensive coordinators are going to begin to have more extensive game film to study. That will enable them to game plan more specifically to counter his skill set. I'm thrilled with what Josh Allen is doing and I am very optimistic for the future, but as we move deeper into the season, that chess game thing is going to happen with respect to game planning. I hope they adjust and it causes them to back off to protect against his arm and we can get the running game really going. The last 2 years with TT and Peterman we could not get the D to back off by completing passes and it clogged up the running lanes. Yesterday - they got the Vikings D to back off into 2 deep safeties giving more running lanes for Ivory. That is a tough team to run on and the adjustments to JA’s arm started to allow better run fits and that will hopefully continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I don't think Josh will regress. He may still have a few bad games, but I just don't see it. Every rookie QB leaves more game tape for DC's to study as they progress and most of them still get better over time. I see no reason why Allen should be an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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