Sky Diver Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 If we have a thread every time a receiver doesn’t catch a ball someone thinks he should catch, there will be a lot of new threads. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Atl, I "get" that this is the narrative being circulated. But let's look at this a bit. "Goodwin couldn't stay healthy" In 2016 with the Bills, Goodwin played 15 games and did not otherwise show up on the injury report. In 2017 with the 49ers, Goodwin played 16 games and showed up as questionable on the injury report 2 weeks. The Bills could have negotiated to re-sign Woods before he hit FA. They didn't. Ditto making him a serious offer. We chose not to. He did indicate in interviews he was open to it. I don't think he was 100% sold on going elsewhere, we just didn't want to pay him like a high to mid level #2. Watkins had a year left on his rookie deal, plus a 5th year option we passed on, at the point where he was traded. The question isn't why didn't we re-sign him to a mega-deal, it's with our dearth of wide receivers behind him, why not hang onto him for last season at least? Just maybe, if we had hung onto him, Boldin might have decided another season catching passes while the #1CB works Sammy might be worthwhile. Yes, we got a draft pick for Sammy...then we gave one up, plus a higher salary, when we traded for Benjamin. I don't understand why folks are so unwilling to acknowledge that the Bills had choices. Their choice was to let Woods and Goodwin walk, trade Sammy while he was still on his rookie deal, and instead sign Boldin, trade for Matthews, sign Holmes, Deonte Thompson, then trade for Benjamin last season; sign and release Kerley and Corey Coleman this season. I don't think they thought they were gutting their receiver corps by doing that. I mean, can you imagine it? What GM talks to the owner and says "well yeah, none of our WR can get open or catch, our offense is struggling, and the ones we let walk are going like gangbusters for new teams but DAMN I saved cap!" (I believe if you look at the salaries and cap hits of the players they had under contract or could have signed last year, you'll see they didn't save much money, either. I'm not talking Sammy's big KC payday this year, I'm talking last) The most logical explanation is that they thought they were signing or trading for equivalent or better WR talent. They were mistaken. All GMs hit on some moves, and whiff on others, but why can't we just look at it and say McBeane and company laid an egg here? I thought Woods Rams deal at that time seemed like what it is - paying him like a solid to upper-eschalon #2 guy As A Bill Goodwin couldnt stay healthy, what happened in San Fran in 2017 is totally irrelevant to the decisions they made and he was hurt repeatedly in Buffalo, often had to come out of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 25 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: As A Bill Goodwin couldnt stay healthy, what happened in San Fran in 2017 is totally irrelevant to the decisions they made and he was hurt repeatedly in Buffalo, often had to come out of games. 2016 is relevant I'm not gonna do your homework and look up the play-by-play and the snap counts for you (hint: results may differ from what you suppose). The pattern I see: 1) prior to the Olympics in summer 2016, Goodwin was saving his body for winter track training 2) afterwards, he was trying to build an NFL career and he managed to see the field and stay on the field and start trying to be an NFL WR We had new people in the building who theoretically could have looked at what he'd done recently and evaluated his actual performance against their need. Now keeping Goodwin or not is NBD. The problem is the overall pattern of talent evaluation at WR to date. I kind of notice you pay no mind to the rest of the story I spoke about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: 2016 is relevant I'm not gonna do your homework and look up the play-by-play and the snap counts for you (hint: results may differ from what you suppose). The pattern I see: 1) prior to the Olympics in summer 2016, Goodwin was saving his body for winter track training 2) afterwards, he was trying to build an NFL career and he managed to see the field and stay on the field and start trying to be an NFL WR We had new people in the building who theoretically could have looked at what he'd done recently and evaluated his actual performance against their need. Now keeping Goodwin or not is NBD. The problem is the overall pattern of talent evaluation at WR to date. I kind of notice you pay no mind to the rest of the story I spoke about Well your "notice" was wrong, I read the entire piece, some i agree with, some i dont. All these points have been brought up ad nauseam and saw zero value added in commenting. What did you want, a comment on each of your 15? points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 On 9/27/2018 at 5:14 AM, SoTier said: ROTFLMAO! Who's fault is that????? Who didn't want/care that Goodwin or Woods re-signed? Who drafted Zay Jones? Who traded away Watkins and traded for Benjamin? Who traded for Coleman rather than waiting for him to be cut and wasted $3.5 million in dead cap space? Who collected the rest of the scrubs that make up the Bills WR corps? If the team keep winning I am wondering what you are going to do with your agenda.... They are REBIULDING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I really hope he gets it together on Sunday no more alligator arms on a perfect ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: If we have a thread every time a receiver doesn’t catch a ball someone thinks he should catch, there will be a lot of new threads. Lol if sensative fans made a thread everytime, this whole board would be filled with Zay Jones shenanigans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Lol if sensative fans made a thread everytime, this whole board would be filled with Zay Jones shenanigans To my eyes, Zay Jones doing OK so far this year. He made a couple big boy adjustments to haul in some Allen throws. He's been open but not targeted at times. He sucked along with everyone else in the Ravens game, but 3 of 4 since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 12 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Dan Brandenburg was the best preseason linebacker of all time. There was no stopping him on his way to the qb. He was very fast and even appeared strong. I was SO excited; I thought that we stole him in the draft!!! In real games he was one of the worst I ever saw. I believe he once had 4 sacks in a preseason game against Minnesota. They pummeled the Vikings and then a couple weeks later the Vikings opened the season in Buffalo and stunningly routed the over-confident Bills. Brandenburg had a crazy vertical leap as well.......like 42".......and had been a spectacular slam dunk competitor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Every time I see this thread title I assume Foster has dropped yet another ball in real time... even though it’s obviously not game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: To my eyes, Zay Jones doing OK so far this year. He made a couple big boy adjustments to haul in some Allen throws. He's been open but not targeted at times. He sucked along with everyone else in the Ravens game, but 3 of 4 since then. Shown improvement he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Another big 0 catch game from Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Did he play on offense at all today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Did he play on offense at all today? Idk but Sky Diver said he’s gonna start forcing double teams soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 We need to start snooping around other teams Practice Squads for some offensive weapons. The Bears rebuilt their WR depth in 2 years with a solid FA signing and some good draft picks. Hope the Bills can do the same and raid the Bears PS for any WR talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Did he play on offense at all today? Well at least he didn't drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Is this thing still on??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I'd start him and McCloud and see what happens. Can't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Who? We may as well be talking about Kolby Listenbee.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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