Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress 19 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here. It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress I have one question for you .... How do you actually watch the games? My guess is you listen to them. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Not sure how you walk out with optimism you havent had in a long time. I just dont get saying you havent been a process guy but you are now?? What have you seen this year to become a process guy? Nothing wrong with it..im just surprised anything this season would make anyone turn into a process guy. The Vontage Davis thing maybe overblown but it just looks bad. Is he any great lose no he was terrible here. Edited September 17, 2018 by Skins Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) some good and some bad today. Allen sure did display some of the traits to say that he could potentially be a franchise qb. he also displayed some traits that leave one scratching their head. he is a rook so it is to be expected. if we didn't see the upside then it would be problematic. too early to tell in my estimation. looking forward to the season playing out for a better context to develop. Edited September 17, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, SoCal Deek said: You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here. It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization. McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress Good Post - the Vontae thing is bad optics, but it does not reflect on the coach or the GM in my eyes. They brought Vontae in hoping for a one year wonder, but it became obvious that he was not going to be the number 2 after week 1. He realized he was just not up to speed - wish he had just waited until after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I am amped on this team. Young core, ton of cap room, and a coach that has proven he can get us to the playoffs. This is how you build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here. It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization. Good point. This team is becoming the retirement home where washed up vets go to collect one last NFL salary. It’s become embarrassing now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Agree. This is not a good team and they will be fortunate to win more than 4-5 games at best. However, I liked what I saw of Allen today. I am looking forward to his continued development this year and seeing what they can do next year in regard to bringing in some talent around him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, jtothebrown said: I have one question for you .... How do you actually watch the games? My guess is you listen to them. You can watch with me anytime. I’ve been called a lot of things on this board but rarely am I called delusional. I’ve always been pretty fair when it comes to the Bills. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. No it is not and I am going to crusade against anyone who says so for the foreseeable future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. As bad as the 2018 Bills were coming out of preseason, I'm worried that this might get dangerously bad if this 'trend' continues. Where are they going to find players now! Everyone already has a date to the Prom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You might say that Davis 'retiring' is a non-story, but I think there is an underlying problem here. It appears that veterans are quitting on, or being released from, this team after only two weeks. It'll be interesting to see if this continues. I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. On the one hand, it could be selfish on the part of the players, and on the other hand it might be that they see no future with the present leadership of the Bills organization. FWIW, I got a text from a poster here on September 9th that said Davis was about to retire. This wasn’t a shock in the room. Maybe they didn’t expect it at halftime but Davis wasn’t going to be be here for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: No it is not and I am going to crusade against anyone who says so for the foreseeable future No more BS. McDermotts priorities are backwards. He needs to be fired. No question about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress Dude, nice. Seriously! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. Horrible post. Ridiculous. McD took over the defense in the second half and they only gave up a FG. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) No way has he lost the team. They came out on fire at the half. They definitely could have phoned in the last 30 minutes. Seems like Vonte realized he could not play and so he ran away. Edited September 17, 2018 by Batman1876 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Not sure how you walk out with optimism you havent had in a long time. I just dont get saying you havent been a process guy but you are now?? What have you seen this year to become a process guy? Nothing wrong with it..im just surprised anything this season would make anyone turn into a process guy. The Vontage Davis thing maybe overblown but it just looks bad. Is he any great lose no he was terrible here. I never said that I was a process guy. If you’ve been paying attention I have been one of the last adopters. I think that Allen can play. That will cover a lot of the other flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: No more BS. McDermotts priorities are backwards. He needs to be fired. No question about it. If he "lost the locker room" why did they play harder and faster when he took over defensive playcalling? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I got a text from a poster here on September 9th that said Davis was about to retire. This wasn’t a shock in the room. Maybe they didn’t expect it at halftime but Davis wasn’t going to be be here for long. There ya go Kirby...keep making lemonade out of those lemons! So your 'deep throat' source somehow knew BEFORE the final cuts, that one of their starting CBs was going to quit? Yeah right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I read the title of this thread as "the future is not great, just okay" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. There is no actual evidence he has lost the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) Exactly right. Allen is the truth and that’s all that currently matters. The one “mistake” I would put on them is the Star signing. It does make me worry about their evaluations. All of the other guys are on short term disposable contracts. Edmunds tackled better after getting torched by Gordon in the 1st half. Davis was toast long before he toasted himself. No loss there. Allen’s fire and McD calling the D has me excited going forward. It was never going to be a super bowl winning season. It does have a chance to be the franchise altering draft that has been long overdue. People harping on Kelvin Benjamin are missing the obvious favor he did the Bills. We should all be thankful he didn’t play hard for a contract and then coast. He showed his hand and now he is also toast. I’m still onboard with the new guys, drafting Allen will go far. Fans just need a little patience, I will go as far to say that things will look much better by the midway point of the season. Edited September 17, 2018 by Commonsense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If Allen develops and they can make good use of all of those draft picks and cap space then I’ll trust the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. No it’s not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, jtothebrown said: Thank you for not being the blind homer that several other posters or should i say obd, paid posters are on here. Is this real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MichFan said: Horrible post. Ridiculous. McD took over the defense in the second half and they only gave up a FG. The time has come to cut our loses. Im calling for a billboard and pitchforks. Lets drive these frauds out of town!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Is this real? Unfortunately yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: If he "lost the locker room" why did they play harder and faster when he took over defensive playcalling? I’d say out of fear. They have no respect for our head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress agreed but "retiring" mid game is exceedingly rare and a a gutless coward move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: There ya go Kirby...keep making lemonade out of those lemons! So your 'deep throat' source somehow knew BEFORE the final cuts, that one of their starting CBs was going to quit? Yeah right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I’ll PM you the text. Check your PM and the dates. I’ve ALWAYS told the truth here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The folks crowing about them getting fired are like the annoying little gnats that fly around you outside. Annoying but ultimately of little consequence. McD has a tough road ahead, has some big decisions to make. If he feels he has to call the D why have Frazier? Does he need to change his O line coach? But losingvthe locker room? No way. Not the way they played in the decongestants half after they found out about Davis. The Davis thing reinforces McDs belief you need guys that have football as a priority. It's why you don't waste time with Gordon. And why I'd be looking really close at Benjamin right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, COTC said: I’d say out of fear. They have no respect for our head coach. Nonsensical 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, COTC said: I’d say out of fear. They have no respect for our head coach. I'm sorry....but wha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Unfortunately yes This coach ended a playoff drought LAST YEAR! Its like, because there was a 17 year playoff drought, as a collective fanbase we have lost our minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, COTC said: McD has lost the locker room. Once that respect is gone, he’s nothing more than a lame duck. Its time to fire The McBeane. you a fly on the wall? if not, how do you know he's lost the locker room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Skins Malone said: There is no actual evidence he has lost the locker room. A veteran “retired” at half time. Doesn’t get any more obvious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This coach ended a playoff drought LAST YEAR! Its like, because there was a 17 year playoff drought, as a collective fanbase we have lost our minds. Don’t include me in with these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Unfortunately yes 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Is this real? This is the question you should be asking the HC and GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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