Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 3 hours ago, DKBills25 said: Hey bills fans I had another question pop up in my head and I wanted to read what you guys would say or think would happen if we started 0-6. Also I defiantly do not want us to go 0-6 and I’m also very hopeful for the season still with Allen starting but if we do start 0-6 what happens ? Do we keep Allen in ? Do we fire someone if the problems are obvious offensive or defensive? Certain players traded ? Let me know what you think hoping that this doesn’t happen GO BILLS !! As I’ve said elsewhere IMO it matters how they go 0-16, not just 0-6 If the team plays hard and seems well prepared and well disciplined, but just doesn’t have the talent or catches a few bad breaks, I think it’s steady as she goes. I think the Pegulas are prepared to be patient if they feel confident they’ve got the right coach and GM in the seats. If the team shows a veritable Smorgasbord of Suckitude as last weekend with schemes that are being systematically exploited, and lead them to believe that they don’t have the right guys, who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I think owners, coaches and all know exactly what this team would be...NOT GOOD! Trust the process! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Whatever, were winning tomorrow and will be 1-1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Of course it depends on the reason for 0-6. One example.....the play calling does not maximize the talent we have. Consider replacing OC. So many scenarios....so little time. 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: As I’ve said elsewhere IMO it matters how they go 0-16, not just 0-6 If the team plays hard and seems well prepared and well disciplined, but just doesn’t have the talent or catches a few bad breaks, I think it’s steady as she goes. I think the Pegulas are prepared to be patient if they feel confident they’ve got the right coach and GM in the seats. If the team shows a veritable Smorgasbord of Suckitude as last weekend with schemes that are being systematically exploited, and lead them to believe that they don’t have the right guys, who knows? Suckitude....great term! Lolololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: What if we start 1-5, 2-4, 3-3, 4-2 or 5-1? The Steelers and Browns have proven we can start 0-5-1, 0-4-2, 0-3-3, 0-2-4, 0-1-5, 1-4-1, 1-3-2, 1-2-3, 1-1-4, 2-3-1, 2-2-2, 2-1-3, 3-2-1, 3-1-2, or 4-1-1. We should have a plan for all scenarios and if the Pegulas aren't questioning McD about all contingencies every day we are in trouble. For example, no team that has started 3-1-2 has ever made the playoffs. Ever. If that is our start then I say we tank. Thank God we're not in danger of a 3-1-2 or 4-1-1 start. We can't handle another "curse!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 They SHOULD sell every player that is Not part of the future and has value at the deadline. McCoy Clay Hughes Kyle Lorax etc etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I believe regardless of the outcome. This season, the Pegulas have learned to have continuity, and will keep Beane and McD. I bet they get a total of four years to make this team successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Kyle Can NOT do that. He's the one untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Can NOT do that. He's the one untouchable. Why he is NOT part of the future. Move him to a contending team for a mid round pick in his final football year. There really are very little untouchable players on this team. Edited September 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Why he is NOT part of the future. Move him to a contending team for a mid round pick in his final football year. There really are very little untouchable players on this team. I realize that, but isn't he on a one-year deal? Ugh. They should have tanked last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: I realize that, but isn't he on a one-year deal? Ugh. They should have tanked last year. Yes he is. So you move him to a contending team that needs immediate DT help and say thank you to Kyle when you collect your mid round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yes he is. So you move him to a contending team that needs immediate DT help and say thank you to Kyle when you collect your mid round pick That would be the first move they made I'd absolutely disagree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: That would be the first move they made I'd absolutely disagree with. So what does keeing Kyle Williams on a 0 for team at the Trade Deadline do for this team. Nada get the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So what does keeing Kyle Williams on a 0 for team at the Trade Deadline do for this team. Nada get the pick If you remember, when they traded Sammy and Darby I was howling for them to trade Shady and Tyrod too. Leading that charge. But I've never even considered trading Kyle. Don't know how they could face that locker room if they did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: If you remember, when they traded Sammy and Darby I was howling for them to trade Shady and Tyrod too. Leading that charge. But I've never even considered trading Kyle. Don't know how they could face that locker room if they did that. Easy. We traded our DT in his last year. Its a Business blah blah blah. Harrison it is your job now. Fans get to married to their assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Easy. We traded our DT in his last year. Its a Business blah blah blah. Harrison it is your job now. Fans get to married to their assets. Well, yeah. Kyle's been on the team for almost as long as my last marraige lasted, so... Could you imagine the apocalypse here if that happened? The server may literally explode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Well, yeah. Kyle's been on the team for almost as long as my last marraige lasted, so... Could you imagine the apocalypse here if that happened? The server may literally explode. No I think more people would understand it is flipping an expiring asset for younger asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: No I think more people would understand it is flipping an expiring asset for younger asset. Uh, have you seen there are STILL people complaining about trading Tyrod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Baltimore hired Harbaugh with no HC experience, and when Ozzie took over he had never been a GM. Just as one example. You're very good at twisting what critics of the Bills say when you can't refute them honestly with facts. What I wrote was, "The most NFL successful teams don't hire inexperience HCs, give them control of personnel, and then hire inexperienced GMs without experience in managing personnel to do their bidding." Comparing what the Ravens did to the Bills are doing is a f$#&ing joke. In fact, it is the exact opposite, which may be why the Ravens have won 2 SBs and fielded playoff teams with regularity while the Bills missed the playoffs for 17 straight years in that same time span. FYI... Ozzie Newsome was the VP of Player Personnel (defacto GM) back in 2000 when the Ravens won their very first Super Bowl. John Harbaugh wasn't hired as Baltimore's HC until 2008, and he was not given control of player personnel. That remains squarely in the hands of Ozzie Newsome, who is retiring after this season ... and he'll be succeeded by his assistant GM next year. The Ravens (formerly the Cleveland Browns) has never had the HC in charge of player personnel, and have gone 190-162 with 2 Super Bowl wins in the 22 years since they moved to Baltimore. Apparently former owner, the late Art Modell, learned his lesson about giving personnel control to HCs after his experience with Bill Belichick (36-44, 1 playoff appearance in 5 seasons) as defacto GM during the Browns (later Ravens) last years in Cleveland. Modell promoted Newsome from Director of Pro Personnel with the move to Baltimore, and there he's been ever since while the Ravens have gone through three coaching regimes: Ted Marchibroda (3 years), Brian Billick (9 years) and John Harbaugh (10 years). Billick was fired IIRC because his teams didn't perform up to snuff despite a SB win, and rumors persist in the NFL that Harbaugh will get the axe if his team doesn't at least make the playoffs this year. How is that anything like the Pegulas hiring McDermott, a rookie HC and giving him control of player personnel, and then hiring Beane, who was in charge of logistics or facilities or whatever as assistant GM in Carolina, to do McDermott's bidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Uh, have you seen there are STILL people complaining about trading Tyrod? Well the COT was strong and in their mind TT was not an expiring asset. Kyle is. This IS his last year. Knowing what you know now if Bills were done by Deadline week would you have Moved Richie and Eric Edited September 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Well the COT was strong and in their mind TT was not an expiring asset. Kyle is. This IS his last year You'll have to pardon me, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the concept of getting rid of Kyle. I understand what you're saying. But this guy's been the Bills since, well, forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Nothing will happen. This all part of the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: What if we start 1-5, 2-4, 3-3, 4-2 or 5-1? The Steelers and Browns have proven we can start 0-5-1, 0-4-2, 0-3-3, 0-2-4, 0-1-5, 1-4-1, 1-3-2, 1-2-3, 1-1-4, 2-3-1, 2-2-2, 2-1-3, 3-2-1, 3-1-2, or 4-1-1. We should have a plan for all scenarios and if the Pegulas aren't questioning McD about all contingencies every day we are in trouble. For example, no team that has started 3-1-2 has ever made the playoffs. Ever. If that is our start then I say we tank. what if we start 0-1-5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: what if we start 0-1-5? That would be epic AND memorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It's only one really bad game and we have a murderers row for a schedule so it definitely could happen. This sounds allot like last year how we really thought at the beginning we were lucky to win a game. I will admit our team doesn't look as good as last year and we have some glaring deficiencies and youth in some key positions. That being said if we can get the oline to gel at all and Edmunds starts getting more comfortable and the secondary gets healthy we can at least be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 At this point you start Allen all season. Theres no point in dragging this out. We need to see what we have. Hes gonna have clunkers and some bad games but within those bad games we’ll still get an idea of what he can do. Peterman is a complete waste of a roster spot and shouldnt play another game unless its due to injury. 41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Well the COT was strong and in their mind TT was not an expiring asset. Kyle is. This IS his last year. Knowing what you know now if Bills were done by Deadline week would you have Moved Richie and Eric I would be open to trading anyone on this team 30 and over, starting with Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: FIRE JUAN CASTILLO. DOOOOOOOOOO IIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????? How much blame should he shoulder for losing 3 good starting linemen??? Not saying I'm for or against letting him go, but I doubt his potential replacement would get much more out of this group. Personally, I don't think during the season (this year/this team specifically) should be the time for any drastic changes, like firing Castillo or especially benching Allen. The Bills are tasked with winning games with a less talented roster and a 2nd place schedule. It was going to be a down year, to whatever extent, no matter what. It sucks watching your favorite team lose (or totally suck $#!+ like last week), but this team is being built for long term success. A lot of fans may not truly understand what McBeane is and has been doing, but its all with a purpose, to eventually acheive a higher goal. Unfortunately, patience in Bills fans is nearly non-existent, even after breaking the drought, and everyone wants everything right now, like the little spoiled girl in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Taking a quote from an Aerosmith song, "sometimes you gotta lose to know how to win". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, SoTier said: You're very good at twisting what critics of the Bills say when you can't refute them honestly with facts. What I wrote was, "The most NFL successful teams don't hire inexperience HCs, give them control of personnel, and then hire inexperienced GMs without experience in managing personnel to do their bidding." Comparing what the Ravens did to the Bills are doing is a f$#&ing joke. In fact, it is the exact opposite, which may be why the Ravens have won 2 SBs and fielded playoff teams with regularity while the Bills missed the playoffs for 17 straight years in that same time span. FYI... Ozzie Newsome was the VP of Player Personnel (defacto GM) back in 2000 when the Ravens won their very first Super Bowl. John Harbaugh wasn't hired as Baltimore's HC until 2008, and he was not given control of player personnel. That remains squarely in the hands of Ozzie Newsome, who is retiring after this season ... and he'll be succeeded by his assistant GM next year. The Ravens (formerly the Cleveland Browns) has never had the HC in charge of player personnel, and have gone 190-162 with 2 Super Bowl wins in the 22 years since they moved to Baltimore. Apparently former owner, the late Art Modell, learned his lesson about giving personnel control to HCs after his experience with Bill Belichick (36-44, 1 playoff appearance in 5 seasons) as defacto GM during the Browns (later Ravens) last years in Cleveland. Modell promoted Newsome from Director of Pro Personnel with the move to Baltimore, and there he's been ever since while the Ravens have gone through three coaching regimes: Ted Marchibroda (3 years), Brian Billick (9 years) and John Harbaugh (10 years). Billick was fired IIRC because his teams didn't perform up to snuff despite a SB win, and rumors persist in the NFL that Harbaugh will get the axe if his team doesn't at least make the playoffs this year. How is that anything like the Pegulas hiring McDermott, a rookie HC and giving him control of player personnel, and then hiring Beane, who was in charge of logistics or facilities or whatever as assistant GM in Carolina, to do McDermott's bidding? I could spend the rest of the day listing all the successful HCs in the NF L that were "inexperienced" as a HC before they got the job. I'll just start with a few guys named Lombardi, Landry, and Noll. And we could add from there. As for GMs there was a guy named Polian. You may have heard of him before. And a number of others. Again, it could take all day. The key is any organization, which I emphasized and which you in your usual way either refused to read or understand, is to have your HC and GM in synch. The Bills have that now. We'll see how they do. Oh, and to say Beane had no experience dealing with personnel is laughable. You are so tied up in wanting to put a negative spin on every single thing done at OBD that you refuse to read. Or you have no idea how to comprehend what you read. Go back to ranting about how Terry could care less about winning and just wants money from you. It's more amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 5 hours ago, DKBills25 said: Hey bills fans I had another question pop up in my head and I wanted to read what you guys would say or think would happen if we started 0-6. Also I defiantly do not want us to go 0-6 and I’m also very hopeful for the season still with Allen starting but if we do start 0-6 what happens ? Do we keep Allen in ? Do we fire someone if the problems are obvious offensive or defensive? Certain players traded ? Let me know what you think hoping that this doesn’t happen GO BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 0-6??? then a dozen threads start on how going 10-0 and 120 games go the Bills way means the playoffs are a stone cold lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, /dev/null said: what if we start 0-1-5? I asked the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: 0-6??? then a dozen threads start on how going 10-0 and 120 games go the Bills way means the playoffs are a stone cold lock ....perhaps a tad of bi-polarism here at TBD?.....impossible............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: They SHOULD sell every player that is Not part of the future and has value at the deadline. McCoy Clay Hughes Kyle Lorax etc etc etc etc Outside of Shady there isn't any other player on the roster I could see another team wanting to give up a draft pick for. Clay and Hughes are on huge contracts and not the most productive. Lorax and Kyle aren't productive enough to warrant a team trading for them. I just don't see any other veteran players on big contracts that other teams would want besides Shady. That being said if this team is 0-6 and there is a 3rd round pick on the table for Shady I would consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Outside of Shady there isn't any other player on the roster I could see another team wanting to give up a draft pick for. Clay and Hughes are on huge contracts and not the most productive. Lorax and Kyle aren't productive enough to warrant a team trading for them. I just don't see any other veteran players on big contracts that other teams would want besides Shady. That being said if this team is 0-6 and there is a 3rd round pick on the table for Shady I would consider it. ...I'm thinkin' OBD should be creative, innovative and avant garde by listing the unwanteds on Ebay.....TBD pundits are in full bloom and it's only GAME 2 approaching.....this is gonna get gooder.... Edited September 15, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Outside of Shady there isn't any other player on the roster I could see another team wanting to give up a draft pick for. Clay and Hughes are on huge contracts and not the most productive. Lorax and Kyle aren't productive enough to warrant a team trading for them. I just don't see any other veteran players on big contracts that other teams would want besides Shady. That being said if this team is 0-6 and there is a 3rd round pick on the table for Shady I would consider it. Sorry Dareus Huge Contract. Got a pick. Every person I listed has value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I'm thinkin' OBD should be creative, innovative and avant garde by listing the unwanteds on Ebay.....TBD pundits are in full bloom and it's only GAME 2 approaching.....this is gona get gooder.... I was more so approaching it from a hypothetical scenario of the team being 0-6. If that's the case (and that's a big IF) then the team has to consider trading a piece for a future asset. Right now at Game 2 we are far from the team being 0-6. 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Sorry Dareus Huge Contract. Got a pick. Every person I listed has value Dareus was still viewed as a productive player on a 5-2 team. I know everyone around here was shitting on him because he was not living up to his huge contract but he was anchoring the run defense and still by far the best interior D-line player on the team. The Jags gave up a 5th and were desperate for run defense help. Odds are if the team is 0-6 none of those players will not be having good seasons or be performing any type of specialty skill that a team might need. I just don't see those big contract players netting a pick for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I was more so approaching it from a hypothetical scenario of the team being 0-6. If that's the case (and that's a big IF) then the team has to consider trading a piece for a future asset. Right now at Game 2 we are far from the team being 0-6. Dareus was still viewed as a productive player on a 5-2 team. I know everyone around here was shitting on him because he was not living up to his huge contract but he was anchoring the run defense and still by far the best interior D-line player on the team. The Jags gave up a 5th and were desperate for run defense help. Odds are if the team is 0-6 none of those players will not be having good seasons or be performing any type of specialty skill that a team might need. I just don't see those big contract players netting a pick for the Bills. Kyle not viewed around the lague as a productive player. Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Kyle not viewed around the lague as a productive player. Really?? I just don't think this team would trade Kyle for a 7th round pick. I also think that at Kyle's current salary and given the other younger players a team could trade a late round pick for at DT teams aren't going to be knocking down the door for an older rental player when they can find better options elsewhere. It's not to say Kyle isn't productive but rather would there be a market to rent a veteran DT who maybe is above average but once again IF The team is 0-6 odds are there aren't too many players having good seasons. Dareus was on a bigger contract but Dareus was much younger and still anchoring the run defense of the team. The Jags were a poor run defending team despite their pass rush and amazing secondary. The Bills also took on a good cap hit trading Dareus while the Jags only really had to deal with dead money for this season, IF Dareus was an issue for them they could cut him in 2019 with no cap hit. It was only the Bills who would have had a cap hit cutting him in 2019 had he stayed. Overall you can't compare the two players because the scenarios are different if the Bills are an 0-6 team. Edited September 15, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....perhaps a tad of bi-polarism here at TBD?.....impossible............ Fun until people keep posting Bills playoff scenarios after perfect mathematical impossibilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I was more so approaching it from a hypothetical scenario of the team being 0-6. If that's the case (and that's a big IF) then the team has to consider trading a piece for a future asset. Right now at Game 2 we are far from the team being 0-6. ...I'm approaching it from a hyperbolic chamber scenario....it's to ease the pain from...(1) the TBD prognosticating pundits who authored 3-13, 4-12, 5-11, 6-11 forecasts yet are off the wall and on the Peace Bridge rails when Phillip torches our twin cheeks for 400+.......(2) prolifically LMAO at the post game threads after we're "Philliped" from the same prognosticating gang.... 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: Fun until people keep posting Bills playoff scenarios after perfect mathematical impossibilty ...are flash cards allowed???...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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