Another Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I’m hoping any discussions on this are for not brining Taylor back here. Had no problem with the move even today. I wonder though if there was a solid plan in place going forward after replacing him. The whole acquiring and then trading AJ struck me as just being very wishy washy and didn’t make sense. Not against Allen but I often wonder if that was a last second decision contrary to what OBD says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Yes, the plan is to develop Josh Allen. That’s what you have to do if you take a QB top 10. Tyrod Taylor would have cost way too much to keep around as a back up. I honestly think they thought they had more in McCarron. They obviously were wrong. It happens. It’s the Josh Allen show now. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I think it was AJ McCarron but he never put the nail in the coffin in the competition. He allowed Peterman to stay in. Peterman has burned McDermott twice now. We should have kept AJM. Now it's Allen. Might be earlier than they wanted but you simply can't trot out Peterman again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 The plan was to draft a guy. They did. And then bring a veteran presence in to help. They did with McCarron. But then McCarron didn't play well and Peterman did in preseason, so they went with Peterman. Who laid an egg. In hindsight they could have opted for a guy like Matt Moore vs. McCarron. And they just might given Peterman's performance. But Peterman worked his tail off all off season and showed well in preseason games. So he got his shot. some talk about losing the locker room; you could if you'd have ignored what Peterman showed up till yesterday. But he then stunk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I always thought Tyrod was a decent QB but had no objection to the move. I think tht there was a plan to clear the way for Allen. They didn’t want a functioning vet like a McCown muddying the waters. In hindsight they may have been better off getting a guy like that if they weren’t going to address the OL or pass catchers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 My concern is that there is no vet presence in the room. Not saying a vet to challenge to start but a vet who has been in the league to impart knowledge on the youngsters. Daboll and coaches can dissect tape and coach them up, but there is value in having someone around who has seen it from the pocket or been through some seasons in the league at the position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Tyrod was not the answer at qb. He showed his limitations yesterday and very shortly there will be calls in Cleveland to start Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Why is this even a thread? The plan was to trade up and draft a QB. /thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I thought I read that they were interested in McCown (Jets back-up QB and starter last year) and only turned to AJ when there were no other viable options. Signing McCown would have made sense as part of the overall plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The plan was to draft a guy. They did. And then bring a veteran presence in to help. They did with McCarron. But then McCarron didn't play well and Peterman did in preseason, so they went with Peterman. Who laid an egg. In hindsight they could have opted for a guy like Matt Moore vs. McCarron. And they just might given Peterman's performance. But Peterman worked his tail off all off season and showed well in preseason games. So he got his shot. some talk about losing the locker room; you could if you'd have ignored what Peterman showed up till yesterday. But he then stunk. A professional football coach is supposed to know that although he isn't Tom Brady, McCarron is better than Peterman, who seems like a nice guy but might be the worst qb in the history of the NFL. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Another Fan said: I’m hoping any discussions on this are for not brining Taylor back here. Had no problem with the move even today. I wonder though if there was a solid plan in place going forward after replacing him. The whole acquiring and then trading AJ struck me as just being very wishy washy and didn’t make sense. Not against Allen but I often wonder if that was a last second decision contrary to what OBD says. They got McCarron as insurance. No guarantee they were going to get their guy in the draft. My guess is that if he didn't get hurt, he would have started yesterday. He got hurt, fell behind and they decided to cut bait and get something for him. I think the plan after that was to start Peterman and if he struggled, bring in Allen, just as they did yesterday. I just don't think they believed Peterman would struggle as badly as he did yesterday and they were hoping to get a couple of games out of him before bringing in Allen. I believe Allen is the starter moving forward now. Just my two cents worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: A professional football coach is supposed to know that although he isn't Tom Brady, McCarron is better than Peterman, who seems like a nice guy but might be the worst qb in the history of the NFL. You go by the data bin front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I liked Tyrod, and would not have been upset had they kept him. Though, I certainly understand why they did. I think they had a solid enough plan to replace him, until they traded McCarron. Then it kind of went out the window. McDermott and Beane have to take some blame for this. McCarron may have very well sucked too, but this marks the second time in a year that they badly mis-read Petermans' ability to play at the NFL level. I don't believe they are intentionally setting out to tank the season, but that was some leap of faith, trading away McCarron, your "vetran" backup, for a guy who had one (very bad) start under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Frankly I don't care who starts at QB, no one will be successful with the dog crap OL and dog crap receivers on the Bills. Tom Effing Brady would look like crap too. It does disturb me that McDermott praises Peterman as a "faith-based young man" as though Peterman's religious views have anything to do with him being an NFL QB. I understand the need to have good character guys on the team, but if a player's religion or lack thereof comes into play when selecting players or determining who starts, then we can look forward to years of suckitude from the Bills under McDermott and Beane. Hell, even an atheist is going to scream JESUS CHRIST when those opposing lineman are barreling down their throats after getting past the porous OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, Another Fan said: I’m hoping any discussions on this are for not brining Taylor back here. Had no problem with the move even today. I wonder though if there was a solid plan in place going forward after replacing him. The whole acquiring and then trading AJ struck me as just being very wishy washy and didn’t make sense. Not against Allen but I often wonder if that was a last second decision contrary to what OBD says. At the point where they traded Taylor, the Bills appeared to be trying to scrape up cap space. So I had thought they were going to make a play for one of the FA QB - Cousins by first choice, or Keenum would have been my choices, but I thought they might be interested in Bradford also. Cousins made it clear he was not interested in B'lo at any price, and Keenum and Bradford both priced themselves above what Beane was willing to pay (if there was interest). IMHO once the Bills put their eggs in the "draft a QB high" basket, they should have gone hard for a vet FA QB who has shown he can play. Having a choice between McCarron and Peterman as vets behind a rookie regarded as one of the highest ceiling/lowest floor/needs development guys in the draft strikes me as a Plan where you Lose your Hat. And any plan where you lose your hat is a Very Bad Plan. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Wiz said: Tyrod was not the answer at qb. He showed his limitations yesterday and very shortly there will be calls in Cleveland to start Mayfield. The calls have already started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Here's the issue I had with how things wotked out. They moved Taylor with no one but Peterman on the roster at QB. Then, possibly because of the dead cap situation sat back in free agency and took whatever QB was there after all the top guys were gone. Thete was a reported intrest in Bradford, but I believe it was more to get a feel of the market value than the player. The the draft hits and they take (aside from Lamar Jackson) the QB that reportedly needee the most time to develop. Leaving us a raw rookie, AJM and Peterman...somehow still hanging out. If They were going to go with Allen, love it. Like the pick and think he will be a fine QB. However, in my opinion It just doesn't seem well thought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Yes, the plan is to develop Josh Allen. That’s what you have to do if you take a QB top 10. Tyrod Taylor would have cost way too much to keep around as a back up. I honestly think they thought they had more in McCarron. They obviously were wrong. It happens. It’s the Josh Allen show now. Playing Peterman was virtually unprecedented. Since 1971, only one QB with less starting experience had started the opener over a rookie who had been drafted in the top 10. That was Doug Pederson, who started ahead of Donovan McNabb. But at least Pederson had five years and 21 games of NFL experience under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, ngbills said: Playing Peterman was virtually unprecedented. Since 1971, only one QB with less starting experience had started the opener over a rookie who had been drafted in the top 10. That was Doug Pederson, who started ahead of Donovan McNabb. But at least Pederson had five years and 21 games of NFL experience under his belt. Playing Peterman was the only choice for McD, IMO. If he had played reasonably well on Sunday, McD would have looked good. Now that Peterman sucked, as we all knew would happen, he has no excuse but to start the rookie. Allen starting this season was inevitable. Ideally, we would have liked him to sit and learn for at least 4-5 games, but that didn’t happen. As I stated in an earlier post, I honestly think they felt McCarron was going to be that bridge QB. Conversely, if McD had started Allen in game one and Allen struggled, fans and media would be clamoring for Peterman. What a mess that would/could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Ray Finkel said: The calls have already started. They started the second he was drafted 1st overall. And obviously the plan was to draft a QB, that wasnt the original point here, the point was did they have a plan outside of that. From what is being said, it appears Allen was always the guy they wanted and knew he would need to sit and develop, he wasnt a day 1 starter. The plan appeared to be dump Taylor for picks and then rummage around the scrap heap for a place holder option until Allen is ready. They didnt want to pay for quality, and McCown went back to the Jets, so they grabbed AJ cause he was cheap and may make them look good if he works out That came back to bite them when he missed a bit of Training Camp because of injury and then they thought Peterman was good enough. Now they are stuck with a guy who has yet to finish a start and had to be mercy pulled from the game cause he was so bad, and have to rush in the guy they didnt want to rush and have no other options outside of signing someone off the street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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