Sal Carpaccio: Corey Coleman Is In Trouble

[Roundybout]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:52 PM, Ittakestime said:

 

Well he may have done more if the QB was given time to throw, but Beane wasted all our picks so we couldn't draft help.

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Alright, I see where this is going and so I am bowing out of this pleasant conversation. 

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:52 PM, TheTruthHurts said:

He had 2 weeks. 

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You can get more than 7 yards. 

 

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:53 PM, HappyDays said:

 

The only asset we lose is a 2019 7th round pick. Please don't tell me that's what you're whining about.

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A 2020 pick. Whiners gonna whine. 

Edited September 1, 2018 by BillsEnthusiast

[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:53 PM, GG said:

I think it's closer to the Concept of Da'Rick 

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Close. But Da'Rick was never all that highly regarded except maybe as a freshman in college. And pretty much everyone was excited about Kassian as far as Sabres fans. Yes DuhRick had size and speed and talent, so yeah, we still need the concept. But Da'Rick was more of the radical fringe who loved him here.

[DJB]

If coleman  doesn't get picked up, it's Beane first mistake as a GM. A 7th and cap space lost for nothing

[Ittakestime]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:58 PM, DJB said:

If coleman  doesn't get picked up, it's Beane first mistake as a GM. A 7th and cap space lost for nothing

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Far from his first.

[HappyDays]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:58 PM, DJB said:

If coleman  doesn't get picked up, it's Beane first mistake as a GM. A 7th and cap space lost for nothing

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Oh my god. We're really doing this over a 7th rounder and $2 million.

[DJB]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:02 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Oh my god. We're really doing this over a 7th rounder and $2 million.

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We are tight to the cap, that space could be used on a free agent pickup. Like maybe some quality guards  

[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:53 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

 

So their player development department gets 2 weeks putting him through the program?

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I think you can tell about patterns in two weeks. I think you can tell about mental capacity and effort and intestinal fortitude in two weeks. Dropsies not as much but if you're not getting the first two or three and you throw in the fourth it's a pretty easy choice.

 

Some guys are not cut out to play WR in the NFL. Plus McBeane have a certain kind of player and mindset that they like and if you don't buy into it 100% you are not long for the Bills. I'm still not sure that is a good idea. I assume that Coleman wasn't showing enough. I didn't like what I saw in the two games. He wasn't getting open. On the one long pass he didn't even show any speed. 

 

It's possible he succeeds elsewhere but as of now I doubt it. 

[Rochesterfan]

  On 9/1/2018 at 2:49 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

To be clear - I applaud the trade, I am disgusted with releasing him.  They need his talent.  He actually produced fairly well when on the field for Cleveland.

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Yet Cleveland was willing to trade him for a 7th - 2 years out or they were going to cut him.

 

The Bills took a shot - it cost them next to nothing and if his talent was so great compared to his play - the Browns would have gotten more originally.

 

As was stated at the time this was a low risk with potential high reward, but everyone knew this was also a potential outcome.

[HappyDays]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:03 PM, DJB said:

 

We are tight to the cap, that space could be used on a free agent pickup. Like maybe some quality guards  

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Our spending spree comes next year when we have $62 million in cap space. We already have $50 million in dead cap this year. We took on $2 million more to try out a former 1st round pick who could have filled a need. There are exactly zero quality offensive linemen that we will lose out on because of this move.

[Coach Tuesday]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:04 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

I think you can tell about patterns in two weeks. I think you can tell about mental capacity and effort and intestinal fortitude in two weeks. Dropsies not as much but if you're not getting the first two or three and you throw in the fourth it's a pretty easy choice.

 

Some guys are not cut out to play WR in the NFL. Plus McBeane have a certain kind of player and mindset that they like and if you don't buy into it 100% you are not long for the Bills. I'm still not sure that is a good idea. I assume that Coleman wasn't showing enough. I didn't like what I saw in the two games. He wasn't getting open. On the one long pass he didn't even show any speed. 

 

It's possible he succeeds elsewhere but as of now I doubt it. 

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Your pro personnel dept should have told you all of that pre-trade, from their league sources and intel.  Assuming they did, you don’t trade for him unless you have a plan for him, and that plan has to include more than two weeks of evaluation time.  And if they didn’t have that intel, that would concern me.

Edited September 1, 2018 by Coach Tuesday

[Rochesterfan]

  On 8/31/2018 at 5:48 PM, COTC said:

Can Sal stop predicting. 

 

95% of the time he is flat out wrong, and the opposite of what he predicts happens. 

 

The guy is a complete hack. 

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Whoops looks like maybe you should stop as Sal was 100% on this.

[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:08 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Your pro personnel dept should have told you all of that pre-trade, from their league sources and intel.  Assuming they did, you don’t trade for him unless you have a plan for him, and that plan has to include more than two weeks of e v a l time.  And if they didn’t have that intel, that would concern me.

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The patterns thing and effort thing was pretty well known. That was public knowledge. You take the risk on a 7th rounder not even next year on the chance that the new destination lights a fire under him and there is renewed effort and you see he has the skills to be developed. It's pretty tough to know these guys for sure until you have them up close. IMO that seventh round pick is almost worthless and it was worth the risk that they just cut him. I'm pretty sure by how they talked about him day one that he wasn't at all a lock to make the team. 

[DJB]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:08 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Our spending spree comes next year when we have $62 million in cap space. We already have $50 million in dead cap this year. We took on $2 million more to try out a former 1st round pick who could have filled a need. There are exactly zero quality offensive linemen that we will lose out on because of this move.

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Im aware of our space next year, but doesn't Coleman's cap count against this year? And you dont know if any quality lineman will be available or not, you cant predict that

[Epstein's Mother]

  On 8/31/2018 at 5:08 PM, Hebert19 said:

If not getting separation was a pre-requisite for making the team we would go into the season with 5 TEs 5 RBs and no WRs. 

 

I could cover Zay Jones. 

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Are you referring to the naked, tripping version of Zay Jones or the current version?

[Kelly the Dog]

  On 9/1/2018 at 3:32 PM, Epstein's Mother said:

 

Are you referring to the naked, tripping version of Zay Jones or the current version?

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Until it's regular season as he is not trying to catch passes with the back of his hands like a sea lion we don't really know for sure. 

[Alphadawg7]

I personally would have kept him to see if they can develop him since it cost so little, but he was also behind the other guys a lot still, so I get it.  

 

I think they have liked liked what they have seen from Zay in camp and practice (as they keep praising him) and it made Coleman more expendable too and needing to gamble on him and his potential, especially if he wasn’t impressing in meetings, with his work ethic, etc.

[Sky Diver]

Coleman gone while Foster is still on the roster.

[One Buffalo]

Sounds like he brought his attitude with him...

 

 

It was worth the shot... if he had worked out, everyone would be celebrating the deal.  

[stuvian]

I guess we're even now for the TT trade. Nota Beanie - Baylor players suck

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Interesting statement on Ms. Cabot's part regarding a dislike of Coleman's attitude.  Being an obtuse sort, is this the first time I'm hearing this about Coleman?  I thought the release was strictly performance based.