Heavy Kevi Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, brianthomas said: I get your logic & i might even agree with it. But thats like saying you bought a ferrari & leave it in the garage because youre afraid it might get damaged... well why did you buy a ferrari then? You made the investment to go out & get it, it serves you no use to just let it sit in the garage. Youre never gonna learn how to drive unless you get behind the wheel imo. Generalized statements on how to handle a rookie qb aside. I think what direction you go in with regards to Josh depends on what you see out of him with the reps he gets. If he looks like he can handle the pressure & remain poised & in control of himself, then throw him out there. I think if Josh feels like the coaches are afraid to put him out there because he might start doubting himself, that in turn could help make him doubt himself too. It goes both ways imo. You don't leave it in the garage forever... You just wait for the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: You don't leave it in the garage forever... You just wait for the summer. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: You don't leave it in the garage forever... You just wait for the summer. But the OL getting better isn't inevitable like the seasons. This is more like leaving the car in the garage until the county ponies up and repaves your street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) I mean if the Bills feel that Allen will develop during the season go ahead and start him. Allen has showed signs of life during preseason. Let the Bengals game be his learning experience. To be clear I'm leaning twords Peterman but I also don't deny that the quick passing style might just be a gimmick. He needs to be perfect to make it work. The margin for error is slim. Edited August 29, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Of course they feel Allen will develop or they wouldn’t have drafted him. The O line is worse than they probably thought it would be. That’s a problem. Allen on IR sends the process off the tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Probably more like it hasn't been announced, but they likely already have made a decision. 1 hour ago, Figster said: Myself personally transplant, and pure speculation mind you on my part. I think McD had already made his mind up about how he wanted Allens development to go and it doesn't include opening up the season against the Ravens. Preseason game 3 was a good example why... I guess I should rephrase... fascinating it hasn't been announced, yet. Not necessarily surprising, though. I agree that McDermott's already made the decision. But Figster, while I understand the perspective that his decision has been made and it's Peterman, I'm not so sure. And I don't think anyone who starts or plays or doesn't start or play in tomorrow's game will give us an answer, either. You say McDermott hasn't made the announcement because he wants to take the Ravens by surprise and it will be Peterman taking them by surprise. I think it could be that he didn't make the announcement because the best way to get a rookie QB off to a good start is by giving the opponent a guessing game and that's exactly what he's got going right now. People say Peterman performed the best in the preseason and has the production to show for it, so he's pretty obviously going to be the guy. I think it could be that Allen's performance in that last game, while ugly, demonstrated a certain level of poise and composure in the pocket in the face of extreme pressure that shows he can handle it. The real question McDermott, Dabol, and probably to a slightly lesser extent Beane will be answering is whether Allen's beyod the "too raw to start" stage. Beane has made comments all offseason that the "too raw" narrative by the media was misguided, if not completely false. People who think the approach will be "our OL is awful, we don't want our investment destroyed so let's start another expendable QB" might have the right idea on what the approach should be, but I believe it's pretty naïve to think NFL coaches approach who starts at QB based on that. As for who starts tomorrow and the inevitable bickering that comes about what it means, nothing about this offseason has been traditional. I can see McDermott bucking the trend and playing whoever he starts week 1 a lot just in order to get as many reps in for that guy since there's been such a true 3 way rotation of the QBs since OTAs. Anyway, we won't find out until kickoff in Baltimore. I'm happy with that. McDermott should keep the Ravens and Harbaugh on their toes anyway. Maintain any advantage he can. Edited August 29, 2018 by transplantbillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Shut up Michael , remember Derrick Carr and many others shell shocked into oblivion because teams started them with bad lines ??? We are not doing that with Allen !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Shut up Michael , remember Derrick Carr and many others shell shocked into oblivion because teams started them with bad lines ??? We are not doing that with Allen !!! *David But yes, let's avoid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 48 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Next year is when we'll draft and sign several olineman. There is no guarantee of that. We have no way to predict the draft board and where the value will be in free agency. It's great in theory though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BigDingus said: *David But yes, let's avoid that. Yeah , I always mix up their names. Edited August 29, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 this is "the most ridiculous thing [he] has ever heard"? guy needs to get out more... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Josh would hit the ground 20 times a game. More times you get sacked/knocked down. More chances you get hurt. Thats why Mr. Lombardi. He is absolutely correct. You don’t start him because he’s not ready, not because the line blows. I keep saying this, but Peterman hasn’t been tested in the face of pressure this preseason. We have no idea if he is any different than last years guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Want a reason Lombardi, David Carr 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He is absolutely correct. You don’t start him because he’s not ready, not because the line blows. I keep saying this, but Peterman hasn’t been tested in the face of pressure this preseason. We have no idea if he is any different than last years guy. But you can't look at QB in a vacuum. You cant just ask "is he ready to start" you have to consider the team around him I think Allen would be ready to start if he were surrounded by a superbowl quality team (Like Big Ben in 2004.) But I don't think hes ready to start for a rebuilding team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: But you can't look at QB in a vacuum. You cant just ask "is he ready to start" you have to consider the team around him I think Allen would be ready to start if he were surrounded by a superbowl quality team (Like Big Ben in 2004.) But I don't think hes ready to start for a rebuilding team. Exactly. Ready to start isn’t close to a finished product. If the line were better, it would be a different decision as Peterman isn’t a seasoned vet and McCarron hasn’t impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Most talking heads get it completely wrong, totally wrong when it comes to Buffalo. I'd much rather listen to Joe Schmoe on TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 It doesn’t matter. Whoever we start is not getting to week 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, cd1 said: Allen does just fine (for the most part). He just got rattled last week. He will learn. One of Nate's biggest assets is his ability to quickly read a defense and make adjustments. Nate's weak arm is his downfall. I think Nate will make for an excellent backup QB and a very good mentor in teaching Josh to "speed read" the defense. Personally, I think it would be great to let Josh play the whole game tomorrow night. The kid has got everything it will take to be our franchise guy. He just needs enough experience playing at the NFL level. To be able to play in a game where they are not sending out the wolves, he will get experience in more things than picking grass out of his teeth. Make no mistake, Josh is our guy. He just needs some time to get up to speed. IMHO Peterman doesn't speed read the defense. He reads pre-snap then pre-determines his throws. Great when everyone is in vanilla cover 2 pre season base defense. A recipe for disaster when teams are disguising coverages in the regular season. I think it looks more like Nate will start week 1. I still say week 4 is the latest Josh takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Peterman doesn't speed read the defense. He reads pre-snap then pre-determines his throws. Great when everyone is in vanilla cover 2 pre season base defense. A recipe for disaster when teams are disguising coverages in the regular season. I think it looks more like Nate will start week 1. I still say week 4 is the latest Josh takes over. That's preferrable to needing 3+ seconds to analyze and read the field, especially when you're going to get 2 at best on most snaps. Edited August 29, 2018 by BigDingus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 He's exactly right, I can't believe that this franchise is going to screw this up yet another year, they're going to end up ripping fans and maybe even the team apart for absolutely no reason at all, other than Sean McDermott being stubborn on Nathan Peterman, I truly hope that if that's the direction he decides to go he ends up looking like a fool over the same decision two years in a row. 3 hours ago, bmur66 said: Sacrifice the least valuable first This is assinine and I doubt any professional coach thinks like this, they aren't gonna use Peterman as a sacrificial lamb. 2 hours ago, Sweats said: We’ve got a long rich history of ruining QB’s.......in fact, you could stack their failures like cord wood, however, if the FO is serious about our rookie being our franchise QB of the future, then fix the friggin o-line. Yes we do, however our only single problem is that we (fans and coaches) turn on our young QBs at the first sign of trouble, just as our fans are doing now. Meanwhile most other teams simply ride out the highs and low for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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