Nate or Josh-who would our defense rather play against?

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

Who knows the abilities of these  2 guys better than Leslie Frazier and the Bills defensive players. Wonder who they would prefer not to play against. Is this one of the inputs  McDermott uses to come to a decision as to starter?

[Seanbillsfan2206]

I’m guessing Peterman. He likes to throw INTs

[Captain Murica]

Peterman, he can’t make all the throws and the field becomes shorter with him. I’m not the biggest Peterman fan but he’s played better than I could ever imagine. I thought he would crap all over himself repeatedly. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I’m guessing Peterman. He likes to throw INTs

 

Stop that! He doesn’t like it....it’s just, you know....what he does. It’s like dairy and gas, it can just happen for some people. 

[Seanbillsfan2206]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Stop that! He doesn’t like it....it’s just, you know....what he does. It’s like dairy and gas, it can just happen for some people. 

I can’t argue this

[Cugalabanza]

If there is something about NP that scares an NFL DC, anything at all that NP does better than JA, I’ll need someone to explain it to me.

 

So then, there’s the argument that JA is likely to be rattled & exposed due to lack of experience.  But I’d say NP has something to prove in this area as well.  No advantage.

 

You’re left with this idea that JA could get hurt behind this weak O line and that would stunt his development.  That argument doesn’t hold water, especially as the talent discrepancy becomes more obvious.  That’s a risk that is always going to be there and part of the game.

 

Gotta play the kid.  Better arm, better feet and better vision/poise.

[Luka]

Definitely Peterman. He relies on quick drops and hot reads. He's very much like Fitzpatrick in that sense. His arm strength is mediocre. If his read is wrong it's a pick. He really struggles off his spot, something that Allen seems unfazed by. So as a DB, it almost becomes like a snap count type of thing. You know the ball is coming out quick, you know it's going to be a short to intermediate throw. If you anticipate the route, it's at least a defended pass, if not an interception. I've seen a few times now, Peterman trusting his arm on those tight window throws. That's a very bad thing. He is physically incapable of making those types of throws.

 

With Allen, as a DB, he's scary. He shakes off the rush. He moves in the pocket, extends plays. And he has the arm to literally put the ball anywhere he wants. Both of his touchdowns were throws that you will never, ever see a guy like Peterman make. That's just the bottom line. He's also a much better runner than Peterman, so once he gets those DBs respecting his ability as a passer, he will have tons of running lanes as well and has the speed and physicality to take advantage of them.

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Luka

[BullBuchanan]

49 minutes ago, Cugalabanza said:

If there is something about NP that scares an NFL DC, anything at all that NP does better than JA, I’ll need someone to explain it to me.

 

So then, there’s the argument that JA is likely to be rattled & exposed due to lack of experience.  But I’d say NP has something to prove in this area as well.  No advantage.

 

You’re left with this idea that JA could get hurt behind this weak O line and that would stunt his development.  That argument doesn’t hold water, especially as the talent discrepancy becomes more obvious.  That’s a risk that is always going to be there and part of the game.

 

Gotta play the kid.  Better arm, better feet and better vision/poise.

 

Complete passes.

[par73]

Doesn't matter-- if they can't stop the run.

[Chandler#81]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Complete passes.

 

C’mon Man. He meant to OUR guys!

[Boatdrinks]

Well, an inexperienced QB ( both NP and JA are ) is going to be blitzed by most coaches. Until they show they can beat it. Id bet that Josh Allen would burn me on a blitz before Nate Peterman would. So Id rather face Peterman. 

[GoodHands15]

Leslie Would rather face Josh Allen. This way he could watch Josh Allen throw the ball...everyone likes to see Josh Allen throw a football. It’s a viceral pleasure. Like kinetic sand.

[H2o]

Any defense would rather face Peterman, just ask San Diego. 

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

1 hour ago, Luka said:

 

 

With Allen, as a DB, he's scary. He shakes off the rush. He moves in the pocket, extends plays. And he has the arm to literally put the ball anywhere he wants. Both of his touchdowns were throws that you will never, ever see a guy like Peterman make. That's just the bottom line. He's also a much better runner than Peterman, so once he gets those DBs respecting his ability as a passer, he will have tons of running lanes as well and has the speed and physicality to take advantage of them.

 

Kid is going to light it up.  Start him, please.

[Prickly Pete]

What happened to this message board?

 

It's like passing by the kids table on Thanksgiving, overhearing them debate Pokémon.

[Peace Frog]

2 hours ago, Cugalabanza said:

If there is something about NP that scares an NFL DC, anything at all that NP does better than JA, I’ll need someone to explain it to me.

 

So then, there’s the argument that JA is likely to be rattled & exposed due to lack of experience.  But I’d say NP has something to prove in this area as well.  No advantage.

 

You’re left with this idea that JA could get hurt behind this weak O line and that would stunt his development.  That argument doesn’t hold water, especially as the talent discrepancy becomes more obvious.  That’s a risk that is always going to be there and part of the game.

 

Gotta play the kid.  Better arm, better feet and better vision/poise.

I just realized that Josh Allen's initials, JA, just happen to be the last letters in the word 'Ninja'.  Coincidence?  I think NOT!

[GoodHands15]

1 minute ago, Peace Frog said:

I just realized that Josh Allen's initials, JA, just happen to be the last letters in the word 'Ninja'.  Coincidence?  I think NOT!

Wow! Insane. Got me thinking 

 

If you take NP JA and AJM and rearrange the letters and take some out and add in some other ones, you also get NINJA.

 

WOW

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Cugalabanza said:

If there is something about NP that scares an NFL DC, anything at all that NP does better than JA, I’ll need someone to explain it to me.

 

So then, there’s the argument that JA is likely to be rattled & exposed due to lack of experience.  But I’d say NP has something to prove in this area as well.  No advantage.

 

You’re left with this idea that JA could get hurt behind this weak O line and that would stunt his development.  That argument doesn’t hold water, especially as the talent discrepancy becomes more obvious.  That’s a risk that is always going to be there and part of the game.

 

Gotta play the kid.  Better arm, better feet and better vision/poise.

I have to agree here.  It is not that we have a Veteran QB competing with Allen.  Peterman was a rookie last year.   If the talent level is way greater than Allen has to start.  One thing we were wondering prior to the pre-season games was the progress of Allen.  Can he read NFL defense, is he able to adjust live and improvise, does he know to take what the defense may be giving etc...The Preseason games have shown that he has grown in those phases. He does not appear to be rattled by the defense even after taking the couple of sacks.  He has delivered in the pocket in spite of taking hits.  He has taken his opportunities and run away with it.  

 

I honestly think at this time Allen may be more ready than even Darnold. 

[Boludo]

What the heck kind of question is this?

One of is a mobile athletic QB with a laser rocket arm that can attack any point on the field at any given moment.

 

The other is a reboot of the Captain Checkdown movie.

[Paulus]

Honestly, the only arguments against starting Allen are the stunt growth & scary horrid O-line arguments.

 

Both are valid, but at some point why not just make the experience about growth and how to survive & win behind swiss cheese?

 

I mean, the kid knows.

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Peterman because he's so obviously not an NFL starting QB.

 

Plus, our D thrives off turnovers and Peterman is a turnover machine since he lacks an NFL arm.

 

 

I seriously am so annoyed there are people who are such insane trolls or blind homers that they legitimately think Nate Peterman is an NFL starting QB.

 

He's awful.

 

I'm fine with him as a backup QB, though.

 

Backup QBs are pretty universally awful NFL starters.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Paulus said:

Honestly, the only arguments against starting Allen are the stunt growth & scary horrid O-line arguments.

 

Both are valid, but at some point why not just make the experience about growth and how to survive & win behind swiss cheese?

 

I mean, the kid knows.

 

 

 

The other is the schedule...They have a brutal first half with 5 of the first 7 on the road....and against really good teams.   Does Allen learn from this schedule and adjust for the 2nd half (Is he ready mentally to handle defeats on the road at the beginning of his career ?).   If I were McD, I would go with putting the kid on the field.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

Any defense would rather face Peterman, just ask San Diego. 

 

Funny thing - I rang San Diego to ask them..... seems all the phones have been disconnected......

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Funny thing - I rang San Diego to ask them..... seems all the phones have been disconnected......

 

From the top rope 

[H2o]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Funny thing - I rang San Diego to ask them..... seems all the phones have been disconnected......

Sorry, I'll never get used to saying LA Chargers. 

[The Process]

7 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

What happened to this message board?

 

It's like passing by the kids table on Thanksgiving, overhearing them debate Pokémon.

I have to read your posts one word at a time due to the distraction of your profile picture ?

[Rc2catch]

Talent level or ceiling there’s no comparison. And Allen has surpassed what we expected to see from a rookie who was drafted and needed a year at minimum to “develop” his game. 

I think peterman is still ahead, his ability to run the huddle and get to the line super fast. He looks to have mastered the playbook. Gets to the line with a lot of time left of the play clock. I guess if we can live with some rookie growing pains Allen is the guy no matter what week 1. I can see the case for each guy, and will cheer for whoever wins the battle. Allen takes us farther no doubt if his game develops. I think Nate takes a beating on this board over one half of football he was unprepared for and his offensive line wanted him to die for getting Tyrods job and not earning it. He hasn’t been given a fair shake. He’s nowhere near elite but he’s also not hot trash like so many seem to believe. He’s just not the exciting prospect Allen is. He’s the polar opposite.