C.Biscuit97 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Peterman and Yarborough for Mack and Amari Cooper. The Raiders need to throw in a couple draft picks and then we can talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: What if Gruden says "I want a 2019 2nd as well?" I think you do it. A player like mack is a game changer on defense and with more cap room next year picks won't mean as much to the bills as they did this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Peterman and Yarborough for Mack and Amari Cooper. Totally realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Beane has not shown that he likes to trade and has not made any bold, unexpected decisions, so it's probably not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Only one issue. He wanted UB to give his younger brother a football scholarship. They balked but then gave in. LeDarius Mack will wear Khalil's #52 this year. I may be off but I kind of remember Tim Graham going out to Oakland to do a story on him and he wouldn't even talk to him...............And, then he wouldn't even acknowledge the city of Buffalo for awhile.............It seemed deeper than just his brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Good call man. I actually was thinking about including oline but I couldn't remember how much they make so I didn't include them No worries. It does no detriment to your point. It is all about your quarterback. If you have a guy who keeps him upright then that guy gets paid too. Edited July 27, 2018 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 16 hours ago, Commonsense said: How did a kid from Fort Pierce end up going to UB? Florida to Buffalo? Insanity. He didn't start playing football until his sophomore or junior year of high school so he wasn't on any major college recruiter's radar. UB and maybe one or two other schools were the only ones to offer him coming out of high school. I believe he chose UB because they were Division I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 If Mack is definitely content to sit out, the raiders would be stupid not to get something for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, whatdrought said: If Mack is definitely content to sit out, the raiders would be stupid not to get something for him. The thing is it might be one of the few situations where a player like Mack, at the beginning of his prime could be traded. A team with a new big time coach who is the face of the franchise more than anyone else and wants to do things his way. I could see Gruden being the type of guy that would rather deal Mack for a haul and use those picks to bolster his offense and relieve himself of an ongoing conflict with the team's best player. Also the Raiders are moving to Vegas next year and the usual vitriol you would get from the fans by trading away a player like Mack would likely not be as big a factor. Oakland fans are losing their team so why would they care and Vegas is gaining and NFL team so it is all gravy for them anyways. If there is even a slight chance Mack is on the block the Bills would have to be all over this. The post about the Bills possibly having an elite defense I don't think is that far off. Although I think we would really need a player like Mack to take us to that level, comparable to the 15-16 Broncos. If Edmunds pans out, with and elite secondary, adding Mack into the mix could definitely take this defense to an elite level that could possibly be the class of the NFL. I really hoope Beane is reaching out to Gruden. I would start with the Bills 1st in 2019, dangle that in front of Gruden and see how he responds. I would be willing to give up the 2019 and 2020 firsts, plus another significant piece or two. Edited July 27, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Possession is 9/10 of the law, from what I hear. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: As long as he has a defensive coordinator who knows how to properly use him. So do you think that Mack could be properly used with the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: The thing is it might be one of the few situations where a player like Mack, at the beginning of his prime could be traded. A team with a new big time coach who is the face of the franchise more than anyone else and wants to do things his way. I could see Gruden being the type of guy that would rather deal Mack for a haul and use those picks to bolster his offense and relieve himself of an ongoing conflict with the team's best player. Also the Raiders are moving to Vegas next year and the usual vitriol you would get from the fans by trading away a player like Mack would likely not be as big a factor. Oakland fans are losing their team so why would they care and Vegas is gaining and NFL team so it is all gravy for them anyways. If there is even a slight chance Mack is on the block the Bills would have to be all over this. The post about the Bills possibly having an elite defense I don't think is that far off. Although I think we would really need a player like Mack to take us to that level, comparable to the 15-16 Broncos. If Edmunds pans out, with and elite secondary, adding Mack into the mix could definitely take this defense to an elite level that could possibly be the class of the NFL. I really hoope Beane is reaching out to Gruden. I would start with the Bills 1st in 2019, dangle that in front of Gruden and see how he responds. I would be willing to give up the 2019 and 2020 firsts, plus another significant piece or two. I do thank God that you don't make personnel decisions for this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Bigger than Mario Williams? Interesting... Yes bigger than Mario...hes already a better player than Mario ever was at his peak. NOTE: There is 0% possibility he is a Bill, Raiders aren't going to let him get away...but just commenting he would be a bigger grab than Mario. Mario felt bigger because guys like Mario didnt normally say yes to Buffalo during that era. But Mack is the better player already, and still getting better. Mario underachieved, then got very good then quickly declined. Edited July 27, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SouthNYfan Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yes bigger than Mario...hes already a better player than Mario ever was at his peak. NOTE: There is 0% possibility he is a Bill, Raiders aren't going to let him get away...but just commenting he would be a bigger grab than Mario. Mario felt bigger because guys like Mario didnt normally say yes to Buffalo during that era. But Mack is the better player already, and still getting better. Mario underachieved, then got very good then quickly declined. Explain how there is 0% chance they'd let him get away? He's an UFA after this season. He can do whatever he wants after this year. If they feel he's definitely going to walk then they are definitely going to accept offers. Is it likely he will get traded? No. Is it likely he doesn't come back after this year? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: Explain how there is 0% chance they'd let him get away? He's an UFA after this season. He can do whatever he wants after this year. If they feel he's definitely going to walk then they are definitely going to accept offers. Is it likely he will get traded? No. Is it likely he doesn't come back after this year? Yes. Franchise Tag says "hello" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Explain how there is 0% chance they'd let him get away? He's an UFA after this season. He can do whatever he wants after this year. If they feel he's definitely going to walk then they are definitely going to accept offers. Is it likely he will get traded? No. Is it likely he doesn't come back after this year? Yes. 1. I was referencing this year in reference to some comments about trying to get him now since he's not reporting. 2. Even next year, there is a franchise tag. So even though I wasn't referencing next year, I will say the odds are still very close to 0%, if not 0%, that Mack doesn't stay a Raider next year. He is by far their best player on the entire roster and arguably going to be one the of the 5 best defensive players in the NFL for a long time assuming health. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 On a bit of a side note, does anyone else think that the franchise tag is about ready to be done away with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Explain how there is 0% chance they'd let him get away? He's an UFA after this season. He can do whatever he wants after this year. If they feel he's definitely going to walk then they are definitely going to accept offers. Is it likely he will get traded? No. Is it likely he doesn't come back after this year? Yes. Given that he will be an UFA after this season, there is a great chance they ship him out before losing him for nothing after the season if he's really that disgruntled with the organization. To not have spoken to the new HC after seven months is the definition of disgruntled. I would think our 2019 #1 might be an attractive offer given how everyone and their mother has us picking at or near the top of the draft next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Franchise Tag says "hello" That works so well for players who want to leave. 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Given that he will be an UFA after this season, there is a great chance they ship him out before losing him for nothing after the season if he's really that disgruntled with the organization. To not have spoken to the new HC after seven months is the definition of disgruntled. I would think our 2019 #1 might be an attractive offer given how everyone and their mother has us picking at or near the top of the draft next year. I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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