BringBackOrton Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: This is a fine distinction. So after having a deadly disease for a while you're likely out of cash, but when the insurance company cuts you off, you can go buy it somewhere else. You really think an average middle income family can afford this? Really? Paying for cutting edge experimental cancer treatment out of their own pocket? In other words, disconnect and die with dignity. In the world with GoFundMe and other crowd sourcing media, along with friend and family support, yes. GoFundMe pays for dogs to get heart transplants at this point. Also, BTW, most, if not all, of experimental treatments are free to the patients. Because they are experimental. Edited September 21, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: In other words, disconnect and die with dignity. YES, GODDAMMIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, KRC said: They said that they would travel to see her. Total BS. They even offered to do it by phone, I believe. It's all about the delay........................ Jonathan Mardukas: I can't fly. Jack Walsh: What? Jonathan Mardukas: You heard me, I can't fly. Jack Walsh: No, no, no. You're going to have to do better than that, pal. Jonathan Mardukas: No, I don't have to do better than that, because it's the truth, I can't fly: I suffer from aviaphobia. Jack Walsh: What does that mean? Jonathan Mardukas: It means I can't fly. I also suffer from acrophobia and claustrophobia. Jack Walsh: I'll tell you what: if you don't cooperate, you're gonna suffer from "fistophobia". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: This is a fine distinction. So after having a deadly disease for a while you're likely out of cash, but when the insurance company cuts you off, you can go buy it somewhere else. You really think an average middle income family can afford this? Really? Paying for cutting edge experimental cancer treatment out of their own pocket? In other words, disconnect and die with dignity. Individuals should be able to obtain the care they can afford, can be helped to afford through non-compulsion, or that others freely chose to provide them with. They should not have government panels telling them that they will not be permitted to receive that care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Individuals should be able to obtain the care they can afford, can be helped to afford through non-compulsion, or that others freely chose to provide them with. They should not have government panels telling them that they will not be permitted to receive that care. OK. I never saw anything saying a "death panel" would deny you from going out and starting a GoFundMe or whatever and do your own thing. The whole "death panel" nonsense was just political grand standing anyway. Kind of like this whole SC thing is now. And the "kids in cages" a few months back. Why doesn't anyone care about "kids in cages" anymore? Edited September 21, 2018 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: This is a fine distinction. So after having a deadly disease for a while you're likely out of cash, but when the insurance company cuts you off, you can go buy it somewhere else. You really think an average middle income family can afford this? Really? Paying for cutting edge experimental cancer treatment out of their own pocket? In other words, disconnect and die with dignity. Goodness. I wonder what the experimental cutting edge cancer treatment costs, and how it can be covered under the policy everyone suggests is too expensive to begin with? You're making an emotional argument regarding a financial issue. The contract chosen outlines coverage and benefits in exchange for the premium paid. If you're going emotional, why not have the doctor/hospital/pharmaceutical donate services, the govt forgive all taxes, tolls and fees, Verizon toss in free cell service, and Dunkin donuts send munchkins for breakfast? It sucks when cancer comes to call, but its silly to suggest that there should be no limits to treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You're making an emotional argument regarding a financial issue. The contract chosen outlines coverage and benefits in exchange for the premium paid. I responding to the story of Charlie in Great Britain that someone posted to support their argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 They can't even hide that this is about revenge, not justice. Feinstein: I would remind my Republican colleagues that they blocked President Obama’s nominee for a year and the court survived. Show some heart. Wait until Dr. Ford feels that she can come before the committee. Quote Ben ShapiroVerified account @benshapiro 3m3 minutes ago I wasn't aware that the business of the nation must be held hostage to the feelings of an individual, even the feelings of someone for whom we have personal sympathy. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: OK. I never saw anything saying a "death panel" would deny you from going out and starting a GoFundMe or whatever and do your own thing. The whole "death panel" nonsense was just political grand standing anyway. Kind of like this whole SC thing is now. And the "kids in cages" a few months back. No, it's not. I provided you with a very recent and specific example of the English and EU court system refusing to allow a patient care which, absent a "government death panel" they would have been able to obtain. It wasn't grand standing at all. It happens. I've provided you evidence that's how those systems actually work. You might not like the language, which was loaded for political impact, but I leave it to you to explain to the board how Charlie Gard was not an example of a "government death panel" in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Foxx said: sure. when choices are whats behind door number 1, 2 or 3 on the same stage, you surely have the illusion of choice, don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I responding to the story of Charlie in Great Britain that someone posted to support their argument. Well then dont I look silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Uh huh, sure they will:* Women’s March and other left-wing groups organized illegal disruptions of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. * The left-wing organizations violated IRS rules, experts told TheDCNF. * The organizations could lose their tax-exempt status.Link to article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: They can't even hide that this is about revenge, not justice. Feinstein: I would remind my Republican colleagues that they blocked President Obama’s nominee for a year and the court survived. Show some heart. Wait until Dr. Ford feels that she can come before the committee. . That's a pretty stupid argument 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Uh huh, sure they will:* Women’s March and other left-wing groups organized illegal disruptions of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. * The left-wing organizations violated IRS rules, experts told TheDCNF. * The organizations could lose their tax-exempt status.Link to article Will churches, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: OK. I never saw anything saying a "death panel" would deny you from going out and starting a GoFundMe or whatever and do your own thing. The whole "death panel" nonsense was just political grand standing anyway. Kind of like this whole SC thing is now. And the "kids in cages" a few months back. Why doesn't anyone care about "kids in cages" anymore? You have not read enough. In some cases patients are able to collect money in locations where such medical practiced occur but are not allowed/approved. They then fly from Cuba to the US to have it done. Or, they make it illegal to leave the country to seek medical care primarily. Or they flat out refuse like the Britt kid when others want to fund it. The government didn't care about the children! Didn't think about the children! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Incorrect. Your reputation and posts down here are riddled with immature hyperbole. Not my VERY serious internet reputation?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Not my VERY serious internet reputation?! The messenger doesn't matter. It's the message. Your message has a poor reputation, Ms. Abbott. For that, I again thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: The messenger doesn't matter. It's the message. Your message has a poor reputation, Ms. Abbott. For that, I again thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Life isn't a game, but I sure do play you like one, Ms. Abbott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, The_Dude said: you're all over the map willis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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