Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[Woodman19]

I like that he took some pressure early and went down with the ball over trying to force bad throws, that's why his line looked good.  No turnovers!

[billsredneck1]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There is nothing in two games that has showed us that Peterman has gotten over the two things he cannot do, which are his death knell. He cannot get the ball downfield. He cannot handle a strong pass rush. He sucks at both of them and no one can succeeed in real NFL games without an ability to do both. He does neither. Allen does both already. 

 

It's a no brainer. 

are you and redogblitz like the same troll...er...person(username)?  please move to cleveland   and btw, 8/10 113 and a td.

[Aussie Joe]

I think Allen will be the Week 1 starter at this point...

 

NP has had a good preseason to date, and if he gets some playing time this season because of injury ( the OL still looks porous so this is a major concern for JA) it won’t be the end of the world...

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

There is nothing in two games that has showed us that Peterman has gotten over the two things he cannot do, which are his death knell. He cannot get the ball downfield. He cannot handle a strong pass rush. He sucks at both of them and no one can succeeed in real NFL games without an ability to do both. He does neither. Allen does both already. 

 

It's a no brainer. 

 

McDermott has been around NP long enough to know what he has in him.

After what happened to AJM today I am about t say that they need to start Josh Allen next week.

 

It's way sooner than I wanted but he also has handled himself really well and deserves the chance.

If he plays well he starts the season.............if not I guess NP starts.

 

NP will have his good moments but your 2 reasons are going effect his game.

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

are you and redogblitz like the same troll...er...person(username)?  please move to cleveland   and btw, 8/10 113 and a td.

Refute either of those two things. Peterman has never once, in an NFL game, thrown a ball on a dart 30 yards. Not once. If not do that you cannot succeed. One play you can succeed. One game you cannot. If you do not know that you don't know football. He has never been able to handle a strong pass rush. Individual plays leaving the pocket early he has shown. Infrequently. He's awful against the rush. He did not show he could do it last week or this week. Immediately leaving the pocket and rolling out like he did once last week (and threw a very very good pass) is not the same thing. He sucks against the rush. He did all last year. He has this year. Allen immediately looked substantially better. 

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

McDermott has been around NP long enough to know what he has in him.

After what happened to AJM today I am about t say that they need to start Josh Allen next week.

 

It's way sooner than I wanted but he also has handled himself really well and deserves the chance.

If he plays well he starts the season.............if not I guess NP starts.

 

NP will have his good moments but your 2 reasons are going effect his game.

The problem and the one thing I feared more than anything is that in practice, and in preseason games, Peterman can succeed. EcUde it is 3/4 speed. And coaches, even decent ones, can be fooled by that. Peterman played great last week. In 10% of what QBs have to do to be successful. All he can do is what he did last week. But we already knew that. He does one thing very well. He reads the defense presnap and throws an 8 yard pass immediately. That's all he does well. 

 

Yes, he threw an excellent TD pass to Benjamin. But it's an easy throw all QBs in the entire league can make. He was wide open and Peterman lofted it. Great pass. You cannot deny that. I loved it. But it did not in any way show that he can do the large number of things he cannot do. 

 

He's a poor man's Trent Edwards, who was better than Peterman and could not play in the NFL. 

[BurpleBull]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Refute either of those two things. Peterman has never once, in an NFL game, thrown a ball on a dart 30 yards. Not once. If not do that you cannot succeed. One play you can succeed. One game you cannot. If you do not know that you don't know football. He has never been able to handle a strong pass rush. Individual plays leaving the pocket early he has shown. Infrequently. He's awful against the rush. He did not show he could do it last week or this week. Immediately leaving the pocket and rolling out like he did once last week (and threw a very very good pass) is not the same thing. He sucks against the rush. He did all last year. He has this year. Allen immediately looked substantially better. 

 

Not here to throw dirt on Allen because he played great, this has more to do with your credibility.

 

I remember you stating in the last game vs. Carolina, how Allen had shown "ten different" qualities of a starting QB, or something to that effect. 

 

Could you name what those were?

 

I also recall you stating that he "showed touch", I never saw it on display, not even once in that game.

 

Which receiver was the beneficiary of that "touch" throw?

 

You suggested that McCarron connected on downfield throws while Peterman did not.

 

I had McCarron as 0 of 2 on his deep attempts.

 

Who was the beneficiary of McCarron's downfield completions?

 

Just curious.

[Lfod]

8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Refute either of those two things. Peterman has never once, in an NFL game, thrown a ball on a dart 30 yards. Not once. If not do that you cannot succeed. One play you can succeed. One game you cannot. If you do not know that you don't know football. He has never been able to handle a strong pass rush. Individual plays leaving the pocket early he has shown. Infrequently. He's awful against the rush. He did not show he could do it last week or this week. Immediately leaving the pocket and rolling out like he did once last week (and threw a very very good pass) is not the same thing. He sucks against the rush. He did all last year. He has this year. Allen immediately looked substantially better. 

Josh Allen is on the rise. Peterman has gotten his job done. So i think the only thing you see is the chargers game. When you talk about Peterman is sounds like your talking about him without actually seeing what happened so far in preseason. 

 

Not in denial about your points. Its just your point hasn't been an issue so far in preseason. 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Lfod

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Not here to throw dirt on Allen because he played great, this has more to do with your credibility.

 

I remember you stating in the last game vs. Carolina, how Allen had shown "ten different" qualities of a starting QB, or something to that effect. 

 

Could you name what those were?

 

I also recall you stating that he "showed touch", I never saw it on display, not even once in that game.

 

Which receiver was the beneficiary of that "touch" throw?

 

You suggested that McCarron connected on downfield throws while Peterman did not.

 

I had McCarron as 0 of 2 on his deep attempts.

 

Who was the beneficiary of McCarron's downfield completions?

 

Just curious.

Jason Croom was the touch pass. It was great. 

 

McCarron pass to Reilly was downfield although he was wide open. Still it was across the field and over 20 yards in the air.  

[hemma]

I think Allen gets his shot next week.  If he does blehhh - then it is Peterman in Game 1.  If he is solid, he gets the start.

 

I think McDermott is willing to eat a few games, as long as Allen keeps improving.  He's willing to take risks, which we saw last year.

[berg1029]

What I really liked about Peterman this preseason is that he hasn't been throwing TOO early, aside from that one pass on the first drive that was nearly a pick six.  He has gotten into trouble with releasing it too quickly and allowing the defense to jump the route, but I feel like that tendency is slowly starting to fade.  As long as he can continue to work that out of his system, I feel like he could definitely be a serviceable NFL QB.

 

I will say though, if that throw had been a pick six, which it should have been, we would be singing a much different tune at the moment. 

[transplantbillsfan]

50 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I had no idea what McCarron brought to the table, but I was hopeful.

 

Peterman looks like the fourth-year player out there.

 

He has total control of the offense at the line and he takes what the defense gives him, without being too conservative.

 

Really seems ahead of his time.

 

 

Oh wow... I legitimately thought that game would have turned the corner for you, but you're just clinging for dear life, aren't you?

 

Peterman's very 1st pass tonight is exactly the reason he's going to spend the vast majority, if not all, of this year on the bench.

 

And even after that throw Peterman was still awful for a drive or two... he was close to fumbling getting hit from behind a few times there.

 

His stat line looks good courtesy of a massively busted coverage. What he showed to me tonight is that the narrative that his arm strength is improved significantly enough to make a difference is a false narrative.

 

Allen will start this year. If not in week 1, it's going to be at some point probably in the first half of the season after Peterman collapses, which very well could be in Baltimore, who is probably salivating at the notion of jumping routes and collecting INTs from him to start off their season.

Edited August 18, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[Cheektowaga Chad]

What I wonder about is if Allen has won over his team mates. If he has he will start next weeks pre season game if he hasn't its Peterman

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

What I wonder about is if Allen has won over his team mates. If he has he will start next weeks pre season game if he hasn't its Peterman

LOL

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

What I wonder about is if Allen has won over his team mates. If he has he will start next weeks pre season game if he hasn't its Peterman

It's Allen's turn by rotation next week anyway.

[BurpleBull]

On 8/17/2018 at 11:57 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

Jason Croom was the touch pass. It was great. 

 

McCarron pass to Reilly was downfield although he was wide open. Still it was across the field and over 20 yards in the air.  

 

I might dispute this, and as for those "ten qualities"?

 

Edited August 19, 2018 by BurpleBull

[Cheektowaga Chad]

10 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

LOL

I think its a valid concern. Part of a young qb starting is having without a shadow of a doubt the support of his team mates. Can't have guys second guessing a back up would give the team a better chance

 

Just from this game:

Benjamin seemed upset about the first few plays.- the first pass then the time out

 

Hyde was interviewed right before half time or right after and didn't seem too sure of him

9 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

It's Allen's turn by rotation next week anyway.

I hope so

Edited August 18, 2018 by Cheektowaga Chad

[hemma]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Oh wow... I legitimately thought that game would have turned the corner for you, but you're just clinging for dear life, aren't you?

 

Peterman's very 1st pass tonight is exactly the reason he's going to spend the vast majority, if not all, of this year on the bench.

 

And even after that throw Peterman was still awful for a drive or two... he was close to fumbling the ball getting hit from behind a few times there.

 

His stat line looks good courtesy of a massively busted coverage. What he showed to me tonight is that the narrative that his arm strength is improved significantly enough to make a difference is a false narrative.

 

Allen will start this year. If not in week 1, it's going to be at some point probably in the first half of the season after Peterman collapses, which very well could be in Baltimore, who is probably salivating at the notion of jumping routes and collecting INTs from him to start off their season.

 

Please stop deflecting with Peterman & give us an analysis of the wonderfulness of Tyrod.

 

Your soul needs that escape.  It is your lifeblood.

 

Start with the 3rd down pass he threw 4 yards OB.

[BillsBytheBay]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think its a valid concern. Part of a young qb starting is having without a shadow of a doubt the support of his team mates. Can have guys second guessing a back up would give the team a better chance

 

Just from this game:

Benjamin seemed upset about the first few plays.- the first pass then the time out

 

Hyde was interviewed right before half time or right after and didn't seem too sure of him

I hope so

Peterman was first.  AJ was tonight.....so ..

[GoodHands15]

2 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I might dispute this, and as for those "ten qualities"?

 

Rocket Arm

Elite NFL Hand Size

Elite height (tall)

Looks good in shorts

Winner

High Wonderlic Score

He can palm a watermelon (see 2)

Poise in pocket

 

Play extension ability due to Elite Size/Althleticism

 

Played Juco

 

 

[BillsBytheBay]

Last thing before I'm done gushing for the night....but his arm alone makes guys open.  

[BurpleBull]

2 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

Rocket Arm

Elite NFL Hand Size

Elite height (tall)

Looks good in shorts

Winner

High Wonderlic Score

He can palm a watermelon (see 2)

Poise in pocket

 

Play extension ability due to Elite Size/Althleticism

 

Played Juco

 

 

 

Thanks Kelly the Dog.

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, GoodHands15 said:

 

Played Juco

 

 

In his defence, he was like 6' and 180lbs at that point.

[Kelly the Dog]

8 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I might dispute this, and as for those "ten qualities"?

The ten qualities are obvious. There are about 25 a QB needs to show. Allen has already shown that he

1. can throw the deep out.

2. Can throw deep. Two of his three deep balls were great passes. The third was on the money but OB. 

3. Can throw over the middle. 

4. Can look off a CB and/or a Safety 

5. Can deal with a Rush in his face.

6. can stand in the pocket and take a hit without flinching and still hit the pass (to Croom)

7. Can avoid the rush and roll out

8. Can run fast, be elusive, outrun LBs, know when to run, etc, (that is actually 3-4 different traits I'm grouping into one. 

9.. Know down and distance (which he showed 3-4 times)

10. Terrific ball handling right off the bat (and shown throughout his college career) on handoffs and play action.

11. Can throw accurate on the run. 

12. Command of the hurry up/two minute offense. He has had two chances and they scored 10 points. 

 

I could go on... 

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

17 minutes ago, hemma said:

 

Please stop deflecting with Peterman & give us an analysis of the wonderfulness of Tyrod.

 

Your soul needs that escape.  It is your lifeblood.

 

Start with the 3rd down pass he threw 4 yards OB.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

We are beyond the point of this being a question. Allen may be their best QB already. There is certainly no reason to sit him behind these guys. Allen is going to be the key. 

[SouthNYfan]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

He's saying you were a Tyrod homer.

While I'm gonna joke with you still about it, I will give you this so far:

You claimed you weren't a Tyrod homer, just a Bills homer, who would stand vehemently behind whomever was the starter, or at least who you feel should be the starter.

So far, at this juncture, from what I've seen, you've been true to that description of yourself.

 

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We are beyond the point of this being a question. Allen may be their best QB already. There is certainly no reason to sit him behind these guys. Allen is going to be the key. 

 

I think it's still a debate who should start, not because np is anywhere close to as good as Allen, but because I'm afraid of Allen getting killed behind that line (which was a concern of mine months ago, and I got railed for it).

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

He's saying you were a Tyrod homer.

While I'm gonna joke with you still about it, I will give you this so far:

You claimed you weren't a Tyrod homer, just a Bills homer, who would stand vehemently behind whomever was the starter, or at least who you feel should be the starter.

So far, at this juncture, from what I've seen, you've been true to that description of yourself.

 

 

I think it's still a debate who should start, not because np is anywhere close to as good as Allen, but because I'm afraid of Allen getting killed behind that line (which was a concern of mine months ago, and I got railed for it).

It’s a legit concern but will it be better in week 4? Week 8?  The line is what it is. 

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s a legit concern but will it be better in week 4? Week 8?  The line is what it is. 

 

Ravens

Chargers

Vikings

GB

Tennessee

Texans

 

I want Allen having no part of those dlines in the first 6 weeks.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

Ravens

Chargers

Vikings

GB

Tennessee

Texans

 

I want Allen having no part of those dlines in the first 6 weeks.

 

The QB decision will not be made based on the status of the OL per one Brandon Beane. 

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The QB decision will not be made based on the status of the OL per one Brandon Beane. 

 

Oh I know it won't.

That doesn't mean I'm happy to see Allen get thrown to the wolves behind that turnstile line against 4 of the top NFL 5-7 dlines in the first 6 weeks of the season.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Ravens

Chargers

Vikings

GB

Tennessee

Texans

 

I want Allen having no part of those dlines in the first 6 weeks.

 

 

Oh, it could be bad. It also could be a GREAT thing for his development. Throw him in the deep end and see how he swims.

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, it could be bad. It also could be a GREAT thing for his development. Throw him in the deep end and see how he swims.

 

Hopefully he doesn't end up on the sidelines like luck.

I have no concerns about Allen other than him getting killed lol

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Hopefully he doesn't end up on the sidelines like luck.

I have no concerns about Allen other than him getting killed lol

...and it’s fair. With that being said, he’s big, strong and elusive. He has a better chance of succeeding under pressure than the other 2.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

...and it’s fair. With that being said, he’s big, strong and elusive. He has a better chance of succeeding under pressure than the other 2.

 

That's very true.

He moves very naturally away from pressure.

That could also just be fear and self preservation taking over ??

[BurpleBull]

Note how there are no complaints being made about the talent level Peterman was placed in the game with, as last man in.

 

No arguments about the third-team O-line or WR group being the cause of Peterman not being able to operate at optimum level, as was the case for Josh Allen in his first game.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

Note how there are no complaints being made about the talent level Peterman was placed in the game with, as last man in.

 

No arguments about the third-team O-line or WR group being the cause of Peterman not being able to operate at optimum level, as was the case for Josh Allen in his first game.

I respect that this is the mountain that you are going to die on.

 

The reality is the difference in talent is so obvious. As Darren Woodson said, “Allen looks like he is going to be a superstar.” There is literally no reason to have him on the bench. He may be their best QB already and has looked the part. We all know that sooner or later he is getting the keys. My question is “why wait?”

 

Also, I accept Venmo

 

 

[Magox]

The good news is that both Peterman and Allen are playing well.   Win win!!

Edited August 18, 2018 by Magox

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 8/16/2018 at 9:49 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

What's hilarious is that you have nothing of substance to counter what I posted.  

And here you are 

 

with absolutely nothing to add yourself!!!!!!

 

its fun how people like 26 praised JA’s adjusted stats from last week from 48(ish)% to over 60% 

 

SOSDD

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

And here you are 

 

with absolutely nothing to add yourself!!!!!!

 

its fun how people like 26 praised JA’s adjusted stats from last week from 48(ish)% to over 60% 

 

SOSDD

 

How about that completion percentage this week?

 

The criteria are getting a bit tougher for you, homefry.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, Magox said:

The good news is that both Peterman and Allen are playing well.   Win win!!

They just need to eliminate that pass to the right 5 yards out of Nates playbook. 

 

Im guessing the Nate haters are a bit upset that their wish that he wouldn’t be a Buffalo Bill come week 1.  

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

How about that completion percentage this week?

 

The criteria are getting a bit tougher for you, homefry.

 

Another baseless attack. 

 

Did I criticize JA this week?  Hell no.  

He did very well and is making great strides.  

 

But thanks for taking my post out of context.  (again)