Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Solution is so simple and in two  parts and requires no invasions/bloodshed.

 

1) fine companies that hire illegals 50k per head if caught. Step up enforcement raids. See how quickly illegals get fired.

 

2) tax remittances to central and South America 90%. No money back to abuela, no reason to be here.

 

Disincentivize the crime, stop the crime.

 

[/dev/null]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

Solution is so simple and in two  parts and requires no invasions/bloodshed.

 

1) fine companies that hire illegals 50k per head if caught. Step up enforcement raids. See how quickly illegals get fired.

 

2) tax remittances to central and South America 90%. No money back to abuela, no reason to be here.

 

Disincentivize the crime, stop the crime.

 

 

Theoretically sounds like a plan.

 

Except the Illegal Immigration system is broken by design.  The Left gets their wedge issue and the Right gets cheap labor

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, /dev/null said:

 

Theoretically sounds like a plan.

 

Except the Illegal Immigration system is broken by design.  The Left gets their wedge issue and the Right gets cheap labor

 

Which is why I now support trump.

[ALF]

MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLS MASS MIGRATION TO US A ‘HUMAN RIGHT’

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

 

Mexican general election, 2018

 

General elections are scheduled to be held in Mexico on 1 July 2018. Voters will elect a new president to serve a five year and ten months term, 128 members of the Senate for a period of six year

[BringBackOrton]

8 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Actually, if Obradors wins, I think we'll see our Southern border militarized.

Yep.

4 minutes ago, ALF said:

MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLS MASS MIGRATION TO US A ‘HUMAN RIGHT’

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

 

Mexican general election, 2018

 

General elections are scheduled to be held in Mexico on 1 July 2018. Voters will elect a new president to serve a five year and ten months term, 128 members of the Senate for a period of six year

This is partly why.

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLS MASS MIGRATION TO US A ‘HUMAN RIGHT’

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

 

Mexican general election, 2018

 

General elections are scheduled to be held in Mexico on 1 July 2018. Voters will elect a new president to serve a five year and ten months term, 128 members of the Senate for a period of six year

MMDA

 

Make Mexico Destitute Again.

 

His campaign is based on " Our country sucks, move out"?  That is such a sad statement on the world.  

 

The "All men are created equal" thing doesn't just mean men and doesn't just mean people in the US.  It is worldwide even if it can be argued that over time cold weather north of the border has caused some genetic deficiencies.  Our system is superior, not our people, at least not upon their creation.  Change your systems dudes.  It will take time and it will be well worth it,. Your future generations will look back in pride at their forefathers of the early 2000s just as ours do to the greats of the 1700s.  You will be able to join us in subsidizing the third world countries like Canada that will likely remain.

Edited June 25, 2018 by 4merper4mer

[Tiberius]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/opinion/america-white-extinction.html?action=click&module=Ribbon&pgtype=Article

 

Last week Pat Buchanan was on “The Laura Ingraham Show” to discuss the humanitarian crisis Donald Trump has created at the border by ripping children away from their parents.

He was not particularly sympathetic to these families’ plights, instead choosing to focus on the demographic danger facing whiteness: “This is the great issue of our time. And, the real question is whether Europe has the will and the capacity, and America has the capacity to halt the invasion of the countries until they change the character — political, social, racial, ethnic — character of the country entirely.”

He continued: “You cannot stop these sentiments of people who want to live together with their own and they want their borders protected.” Make no mistake here, Buchanan is talking about protecting white dominance, white culture, white majorities and white power.

A few days earlier on his blog, he expanded on this point: “The existential question, however, thus remains: How does the West, America included, stop the flood tide of migrants before it alters forever the political and demographic character of our nations and our civilization?”

 

In describing Western liberals’ aversions to instituting racist, xenophobic immigration policies, he wrote: “We are truly dealing here with an ideology of Western suicide.” He ended with this: “Trump may be on the wrong side politically and emotionally of this issue of separating migrant kids from their parents. But on the mega-issue — the Third World invasion of the West — he is riding the great wave of the future, if the West is to have a future.”

Strip all the other rationales away from this draconian immigration policy. This is at the core: White extinction anxiety, white displacement anxiety, white minority anxiety. This is the fear and anxiety Trump is playing to. Politico Magazine dubbed Trump “Pat Buchanan With Better Timing.”

[GG]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

MMDA

 

Make Mexico Destitude Again.

 

His campaign is based on " Our country sucks, move out"?  That is such a sad statement on the world.  

 

 

Of course, because remittances will again be a top revenue generator for Mexico as he'll eviscerate private industry.

[Nanker]

Mexico is an enabler for illegal immigration. That will never stop. This is why a wall is imperative. Then ICE can focus on the other soft underbelly of America - our sea and air ports. 

[Prickly Pete]

10 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

The jokes aren't as funny when you repeat them after me.  Who would've thought the guy who named himself after another poster on here had a creativity problem.

 

Ahhh, now I see....

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

37 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Of course, because remittances will again be a top revenue generator for Mexico as he'll eviscerate private industry.

 

Which, again, is why we need to make it impossible or at the very least NOT EASY to remit money back to these countries.

 

Cut that off, and you disincentivize a large portion of illegal immigrants for coming here. Whether or not their families in the old country starve shouldn't be of our concern.

 

2 hours ago, ALF said:

MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLS MASS MIGRATION TO US A ‘HUMAN RIGHT’

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

 

Mexican general election, 2018

 

General elections are scheduled to be held in Mexico on 1 July 2018. Voters will elect a new president to serve a five year and ten months term, 128 members of the Senate for a period of six year

 

This would be a disaster for us.

 

Clearly worse than ANYTHING the Euros are dealing with when it comes to migration.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2018 by joesixpack

[keepthefaith]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CALLS MASS MIGRATION TO US A ‘HUMAN RIGHT’

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) declared mass immigration to the United States a “human right” for all North Americans during a speech Tuesday.

“And soon, very soon — after the victory of our movement — we will defend all the migrants in the American continent and all the migrants in the world,” Obrador said, adding that immigrants “must leave their towns and find a life in the United States.”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/mexican-candidate-immigration-speech/

 

Mexican general election, 2018

 

General elections are scheduled to be held in Mexico on 1 July 2018. Voters will elect a new president to serve a five year and ten months term, 128 members of the Senate for a period of six year

 

Unbelievable. 

[Tiberius]

 

 

Skip Due Process for Those Who Enter Illegally, Trump Says

By KATIE ROGERS and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG 

 

• In an aggressive attack, President Trump said that those who cross into the U.S. illegally should be sent back immediately without due process or an appearance before a judge.
• “We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country,” he said on Twitter, in another twist in an already head-spinning series of developments on immigration.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Unbelievable. 

 

they have a government??????????

[outsidethebox]

22 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

they have a government??????????

I believe they call it a cartel. Could be wrong though......

[ALF]

Walk or die: Algeria abandons 13,000 refugees in the Sahara

Algeria has abandoned more than 13,000 people in the Sahara Desert over the past 14 months, including pregnant women and children, expelling them without food or water and forcing them to walk, sometimes at gunpoint, under a blistering sun. Some never make it out alive.

 

In Niger, where the majority head, the lucky ones limp across a desolate 15km no-man's-land to the border village of Assamaka.

Others wander for days before a United Nations rescue squad can find them.

 

Untold numbers perish; nearly all of the more than two dozen survivors interviewed by The Associated Press news agency told of people in their groups, who simply vanished into the Sahara.

 

Algeria's mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants and refugees going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/walk-die-algeria-abandons-13000-refugees-sahara-180625064043040.html

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Walk or die: Algeria abandons 13,000 refugees in the Sahara

Algeria has abandoned more than 13,000 people in the Sahara Desert over the past 14 months, including pregnant women and children, expelling them without food or water and forcing them to walk, sometimes at gunpoint, under a blistering sun. Some never make it out alive.

 

In Niger, where the majority head, the lucky ones limp across a desolate 15km no-man's-land to the border village of Assamaka.

Others wander for days before a United Nations rescue squad can find them.

 

Untold numbers perish; nearly all of the more than two dozen survivors interviewed by The Associated Press news agency told of people in their groups, who simply vanished into the Sahara.

 

Algeria's mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants and refugees going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/walk-die-algeria-abandons-13000-refugees-sahara-180625064043040.html

 

We should protest this by refusing to serve breakfast to Ajit Pai.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Feckless Obama.

[Nanker]

51 minutes ago, ALF said:

Walk or die: Algeria abandons 13,000 refugees in the Sahara

Algeria has abandoned more than 13,000 people in the Sahara Desert over the past 14 months, including pregnant women and children, expelling them without food or water and forcing them to walk, sometimes at gunpoint, under a blistering sun. Some never make it out alive.

 

In Niger, where the majority head, the lucky ones limp across a desolate 15km no-man's-land to the border village of Assamaka.

Others wander for days before a United Nations rescue squad can find them.

 

Untold numbers perish; nearly all of the more than two dozen survivors interviewed by The Associated Press news agency told of people in their groups, who simply vanished into the Sahara.

 

Algeria's mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants and refugees going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/walk-die-algeria-abandons-13000-refugees-sahara-180625064043040.html

But how can this possibly be. Algeria was Algeria was a member of the UN Human Rights Council from 2014 - 2016. 

This can't be true. It's a spurious lie from the JEWS and TRUMP! #RESIST!

[DC Tom]

Bill introduced to abolish ICE.

 

If it's worth reacting, it's worth overreacting.

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Bill introduced to abolish ICE.

 

If it's worth reacting, it's worth overreacting.

 

Harris is making it one of her 2020 planks... she did a fancy interview at the border for MSNBC and everything. 

 

Remember, ICE is the tip of the spear in terms of combating trafficking inside this country. Other agencies play large roles, but DHS/ICE is at the forefront of that fight. The politicians calling for their dissolution are showing their true colors and what they actually care about. Take note. Vote 'em out.  

[PearlHowardman]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The politicians calling for their dissolution are showing their true colors and what they actually care about.   

 

Not so sure.

 

I really don't think that most Democrats (especially outside of CA) care about illegal immigrants beyond immediate political purpose. Democrats would throw illegal immigrants under the bus the split-second the illegal immigrants were no longer useful to them.

 

There's a cynical voting public out here re: Democrat support for illegal immigrants and Republicans should take advantage of it.

[TakeYouToTasker]

10 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

Not so sure.

 

I really don't think that most Democrats (especially outside of CA) care about illegal immigrants beyond immediate political purpose. Democrats would throw illegal immigrants under the bus the split-second the illegal immigrants were no longer useful to them.

 

There's a cynical voting public out here re: Democrat support for illegal immigrants and Republicans should take advantage of it.

 

Congressional Democrats understand what the real issue at play is:  human trafficking.

 

They are actively throwing up road blocks in order to preserve the free flow of actual slaves, most of whom are children into this country.

 

This is a global enterprise worth billions of dollars by official government estimates, which are low by magnitudes, as they have no way of truly calculating black market impacts.  The people who control this global market are wealthy, powerful, and extremely well organized.  Like every other billion dollar industry, they have lobbyists who buy politicians, and enrich them to support their business agenda.  This is no different.

 

Those in Congress who are protecting the racket are profiting directly from it.

Edited June 25, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[HappyDays]

 

[DC Tom]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Because they ran out of space.

 

But I suppose you dimwits will take what you can get and call it "victory."

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Because they ran out of space.

 

But I suppose you dimwits will take what you can get and call it "victory."

 

Every parent that doesn't get forcibly separated from their biological child for weeks at a time is a victory.

 

By the way, for you guys making fun of media hypocrisy with Obama... it goes both ways. The right wing caricature of Obama as soft on immigration is ridiculous. He deported more illegal immigrants than any president in history, his justice department argued that they should be able to detain families longer than 20 days, and according to this immigration lawyer...

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/zero-tolerance-border-crisis-immigration-trump-obama-detention-centers-2018-6

 

...Obama responded to criticism of the detention centers by saying "I'll tell you what we can't have. It's these parents sending their kids here on a dangerous journey and putting their lives at risk."

 

The left wing media screwed up big time with their depictions of Obama-era photos as evidence of Trump-era human rights crimes. But they simultaneously revealed that Obama was moderate to conservative on immigration. And he wasn't soft like many of you thought.

Edited June 25, 2018 by HappyDays

[DC Tom]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every parent that doesn't get forcibly separated from their biological child for weeks at a time is a victory.

 

 

Every parent, or every immigrant parent?

 

Because it happens a hell of a lot more frequently inside the borders than it does at the borders.

[Deranged Rhino]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He deported more illegal immigrants than any president in history, his justice department argued that they should be able to detain families longer than 20 days, and according to this immigration lawyer...

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/zero-tolerance-border-crisis-immigration-trump-obama-detention-centers-2018-6

 

...Obama responded to criticism of the detention centers by saying "I'll tell you what we can't have. It's these parents sending their kids here on a dangerous journey and putting their lives at risk."

 

The left wing media screwed up big time with their depictions of Obama-era photos as evidence of Trump-era human rights crimes. But they simultaneously revealed that Obama was moderate to conservative on immigration. And he wasn't soft like many of you thought.

 

Look beyond this. It's not just the "left wing media" (aka the MSM and all of Hollywood) who screwed up. They were silent when it was going on under Obama. As were the very same politicians in Congress who are now "outraged" over this issue. It should show you the shallowness of their principles. This isn't about helping kids reunite with their families for these politicians and media talking heads (for some, sure, but it's the minority). This is about votes for those politicians and media mouthpieces who were silent before. 

 

You can help these families stay together, help illegal immigrants come to this country safely and with protection, by realizing that this is a political football first and foremost designed to provoke outrage and emotionally manipulate the masses. Once you come to terms with that, you can begin to work on the real issues which CAN be solved and help everyone you're concerned about out in the process. But under no situation is "open borders" the solution that protects people - yet this is the ultimate goal of most of the politicians pushing this issue.  

 

Illegal immigrants come into the country and are vulnerable to all sorts of abuse because they're outside the system. A lot of people in Congress want to keep them that way and increase their numbers by having open borders. If they can't get that, they want to give them all amnesty (which equates to future voters in their minds). Think about that: the order of preference is - exacerbate a dangerous system which puts these people they're claiming to care about at greater risk for exploitation and abuse, THEN if that can't work - give them all amnesty so they can theoretically get the votes in the future to create the open borders they long for. 

 

There's nothing principled about this display by MANY on the Hill and in the media. You should be keeping track of who is exposing themselves so you can vote them out to make your party stronger and increase the odds of fixing this issue, and helping the victims, as quickly as possible. 

 

imo

 

 

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Every parent, or every immigrant parent?

 

Because it happens a hell of a lot more frequently inside the borders than it does at the borders.

 

Shh. That's not the talking point. Why care about American families getting ripped apart by federal agencies? There's no votes there. 

Edited June 25, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[keepthefaith]

51 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Every parent that doesn't get forcibly separated from their biological child for weeks at a time is a victory.

 

By the way, for you guys making fun of media hypocrisy with Obama... it goes both ways. The right wing caricature of Obama as soft on immigration is ridiculous. He deported more illegal immigrants than any president in history, his justice department argued that they should be able to detain families longer than 20 days, and according to this immigration lawyer...

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/zero-tolerance-border-crisis-immigration-trump-obama-detention-centers-2018-6

 

...Obama responded to criticism of the detention centers by saying "I'll tell you what we can't have. It's these parents sending their kids here on a dangerous journey and putting their lives at risk."

 

The left wing media screwed up big time with their depictions of Obama-era photos as evidence of Trump-era human rights crimes. But they simultaneously revealed that Obama was moderate to conservative on immigration. And he wasn't soft like many of you thought.

 

Obama was incredibly soft.  You can't get much softer than processing people through the border outside of the legal immigration system, putting them on buses and planes to the interior of the country and funding churches and other non-profit groups to provide care. 

 

As far as his big numbers of deportations, his administration changed the reporting methodology to include those who were turned away at the border as a "deportation".  In typical Obama fashion, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth.  Making public statements which appeared to discourage illegal immigration while telling Janet Nap and Jeh Johnson to carry out very different orders. 

 

 

[row_33]

20 hours ago, ALF said:

Walk or die: Algeria abandons 13,000 refugees in the Sahara

Algeria has abandoned more than 13,000 people in the Sahara Desert over the past 14 months, including pregnant women and children, expelling them without food or water and forcing them to walk, sometimes at gunpoint, under a blistering sun. Some never make it out alive.

 

In Niger, where the majority head, the lucky ones limp across a desolate 15km no-man's-land to the border village of Assamaka.

Others wander for days before a United Nations rescue squad can find them.

 

Untold numbers perish; nearly all of the more than two dozen survivors interviewed by The Associated Press news agency told of people in their groups, who simply vanished into the Sahara.

 

Algeria's mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants and refugees going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/walk-die-algeria-abandons-13000-refugees-sahara-180625064043040.html

 

All heavens on earth compared to the evil existence one has in America under Trump....

 

[Tiberius]

20 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

We should protest this by refusing to serve breakfast to Ajit Pai.

I luvs me some good Nazi humor! 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Because Schumer's a consummate asshat who believes the President should legislate while Congress enrages the masses.

[Tiberius]

 

 

Quote

Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the United States District Court for the Southern District of California granted a preliminary injunction sought by the American Civil Liberties Union. He said all children must be reunited with their families within 30 days, allowing just 14 days for the return of children under 5 to their parents. He ordered that parents must be entitled to speak by phone with their children within 10 days.

The court slammed the administration for “a chaotic circumstance of the Government’s own making.”

 

The practice of separating these families was implemented without any effective system or procedure for (1) tracking the children after they were separated from their parents, (2) enabling communication between the parents and their children after separation, and (3) reuniting the parents and children after the parents are returned to immigration custody following completion of their criminal sentence. This is a startling reality. The government readily keeps track of personal property of detainees in criminal and immigration proceedings. Money, important documents, and automobiles, to name a few, at all levels — state and federal, citizen and alien. Yet, the government has no system in place to keep track of , provide effective communication with, and promptly produce alien children. The unfortunate reality is that under the present system migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property.  Certainly, that cannot satisfy the requirements of due process.

 

[3rdnlng]

The courts are doing their best to make the only option "catch and release".

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

The courts are doing their best to make the only option "catch and release".

 

Everyone is.  Even Trump.  

 

All this is really accomplishing is making it harder to reform immigration law.  And making human trafficking easier.

[row_33]

19 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Everyone is.  Even Trump.  

 

All this is really accomplishing is making it harder to reform immigration law.  And making human trafficking easier.

 

facing reality unfortunately

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Everyone is.  Even Trump.  

 

All this is really accomplishing is making it harder to reform immigration law.  And making human trafficking easier.

I don't think Trump is actually for "catch and release" but he is caught between a rock and a hard place what with the laws in place. The way to solve the situation is to not let a massive amount of aliens flood our border and cross. Keep them out of our country so that they aren't subject to due process. Process them while they are still outside our borders. The reason for a wall and other security measures should be to funnel them into ports of entry. There's no reason that we should have to spend massive amounts of money housing people who are faux claiming asylum and the many new judges to hear their cases.

[ALF]

GOP compromise immigration bill defeated on House floor

 

The bill was overwhelmingly rejected 301-121, in part because some Republicans are reluctant to vote for any bill they worry could be portrayed as “amnesty.”

 

More than 100 Republicans voted against the legislation.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/27/gop-compromise-immigration-bill-defeated-on-house-floor.html

 

Donald J. Trump

 

✔@realDonaldTrump

 

 

HOUSE REPUBLICANS SHOULD PASS THE STRONG BUT FAIR IMMIGRATION BILL, KNOWN AS GOODLATTE II, IN THEIR AFTERNOON VOTE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS WON’T LET IT PASS IN THE SENATE. PASSAGE WILL SHOW THAT WE WANT STRONG BORDERS & SECURITY WHILE THE DEMS WANT OPEN BORDERS = CRIME. WIN!

8:39 AM - Jun 27, 2018

Edited June 27, 2018 by ALF