MMQB: Why the Browns are making a mistake with Baker Mayfield (by starting Tyrod)

[SWATeam]

13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Helping you out like when I encouraged you to change your name from "Teeflebees"  to something less stalker-ish.

 

I think ScottLaw should consider changing his name to Badoleebees.

[Big Gun]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they started the season 4-3 or 5-2.

Of course you wouldn't. But yeah I guess they could beat the Steelers twice, the saints and raiders on the road and the ravens, chiefs, Falcons and chargers. Heck maybe they can go 10- 0 in their first 10 games.

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, PeterGriffin said:

Of course you wouldn't. But yeah I guess they could beat the Steelers twice, the saints and raiders on the road and the ravens, chiefs, Falcons and chargers. Heck maybe they can go 10- 0 in their first 10 games.

Imo the deck is tacked against Jackson and Taylor.  They start the year of slowly both are out imo.  As much as they want to win I think the plan is for Taylor to start they lose he is benched for Mayfield and Hue is fired for Haley.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

13 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:

Of course you wouldn't. But yeah I guess they could beat the Steelers twice, the saints and raiders on the road and the ravens, chiefs, Falcons and chargers. Heck maybe they can go 10- 0 in their first 10 games.

I don't think they'll be anywhere close to 10-0 and I expect an 0-2 start based on what we know today for them. But the Jets, Ravens, and Chargers at home aren't crazy, @TB isn't crazy either. @OAK is my ? between 4-3 and 5-2. KC is another coin-flip. I think they finish with somewhere between 6 and 8 wins, mostly coming from the first half of their schedule.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

I think ScottLaw should consider changing his name to Badoleebees.

 

 

You should do something like that SWAT........you are like one of those dudes that's played 3,000 games and hasn't hit a HR yet.   ?

 

[SWATeam]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You should do something like that SWAT........you are like one of those dudes that's played 3,000 games and hasn't hit a HR yet.   ?

 

I didn't quite make it to 3,000.  I walked away early to pursue a career in radio.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

 

I like SWATeam better. 

Jokes are supposed to be funny.?

 

When since it was about you....I can see why you didn't find any humor in it.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

When since? You being mad is hurting your grammar brah. 

 

Oh no a typo....the horror.

[Bills757]

On 5/15/2018 at 8:14 AM, The Red King said:

 

Classic deflection by not actually addressing or refuting anything said.  Carry on.

Because it’s wrought with so much made up BS, I’d spend way too much time pointing out the errors. 

[The Red King]

34 minutes ago, Bills757 said:

Because it’s wrought with so much made up BS, I’d spend way too much time pointing out the errors. 

 

Mhm.  Well, your posts on the matter are so much made up BS and spin that I'd spend way too much time pointing out the errors.  You're right, not actually disputing someone else's assertions is a lot easier then actually making a real argument.  Since I made points, and you refuse to actually refute them with anything other then just calling them BS, I suppose we're done here?  I made my point, you let it stand.

Edited May 16, 2018 by The Red King

[twoandfourteen]

20 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes the old 300 yard argument. The ultimate gold standard for QBs according to TBD.?

 

You said in an earlier post: " the guy was GREAT at the deep passing game"

 

So, to clarify: You are claiming that that the Bills had a GREAT deep passing game with Tyrod Taylor, even though it didn't produce yards or points. 

 

Makes sense. 

 

Also, the "300 yard game" is far from the "ultimate gold standard". It's a metric of basic competence at the QB position. No one was expecting Taylor to be Kurt Warner, but when more than half of your games are under 200 yards passing...

 

Tyrod Taylor Buffalo Bills 2015-2017

 

Passing Yards

43 games under 300 - 97.7%

38 games under 280 - 86.3%

30 games under 230 - 68.1%

23 games under 200 - 52.2%

16 games under 180 - 36.3%

7 games under 130 - 15.9%

 

Passing TDs

Games with 3 passing TDs: 6 - 13.6%

Games with 2 passing TDs: 7 - 15.9%

Games with 1 passing TD: 19 - 43.1%

Games with 0 passing TD: 12 - 27.2%

 

31 games with 1 or 0 passing TDs - 70.4%

38 games with 2 or fewer passing TDs - 86.3%

 

13 games with 2 or more passing TDs - 29.5%

 

Man... those are some "GREAT" numbers. Face it. The guy sucked as a QB. One of the most overrated players in Bills history.

[grb]

On 5/16/2018 at 12:36 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Then I guess you don't know what to tell me. What you've got there is a justification. Watkins played in eight games. He was healthy enough to get 154 yards in one. And yet he wasn't productive overall in long balls. It's a justification.

 

Again, Goodwin played in 15 games, Clay played in 15 and was open long.

 

Tyrod simply wasn't hitting the long balls the way he had been in 2015. You said that the new regime getting rid of Watkins and Woods destroyed his long ball stats. Not true. They were pretty much the same in 2016 as they were in 2017. Bad. And what showed up in the stats was easily visible to the naked eye. Overthrow after overthrow.

 

Yet again, I hope he solves the problem and does well with the Browns. He's a good guy.

 

Pretty funny. Watkins plays eight games with a broken left foot - with all the pain that entails -  but our own Thurman#1 is here to insist that wasn't a factor in SW running long routes. We can only assume Thurman#1 would be out at the track running sprints if his foot was broken. No excuses, huh? 

 

I understand it's every fan's right to be cavalier about athletic injuries, but you can take that to ludicrous extremes. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

He is good at throwing the deep ball. 

 

The Bills lost just about all of their deep ball threats through last season and their WRs were trash. 

 

Tyrod is is far from great but he is also far from bad. You win games by your offense protecting the football and scoring points. The Bills offense was TREMENDOUS at that in large part due to Tyrod in 2015 and 2016. 

 

68 % of games under 230 yards 

16 % of games under 130 yards 

 

100 % of your posts regarding Tyrod = fail 

 

Tyrod in a playoff game level fail 

Edited May 17, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Big Gun]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He is good at throwing the deep ball. 

 

The Bills lost just about all of their deep ball threats through last season and their WRs were trash. 

 

Tyrod is is far from great but he is also far from bad. You win games by your offense protecting the football and scoring points. The Bills offense was TREMENDOUS at that in large part due to Tyrod in 2015 and 2016. 

No, he really is bad. 

 

If he was any good he would still be a Buffalo Bill.

[elroy16]

18 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He is good at throwing the deep ball. 

 

The Bills lost just about all of their deep ball threats through last season and their WRs were trash. 

 

Tyrod is is far from great but he is also far from bad. You win games by your offense protecting the football and scoring points. The Bills offense was TREMENDOUS at that in large part due to Tyrod in 2015 and 2016. 

 

 

I'd hardly call the 12th and 11th ranked offense in PPG "TREMENDOUS," especially when they led the league in rushing both years.

 

Yes, I realize that Tyrod helped with the rushing total, but that good a run game should have helped tremendously in the pass game. Even with such a good run game, Tyrod's net yards per attempt were 13th in 2015 and an abysmal 25th in 2016. Yes, yes, I know, it was because of the trash WR's. 

 

 

The proof will be in what happens this year. 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by elroy16

[grb]

59 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

I'd hardly call the 12th and 11th ranked offense in PPG "TREMENDOUS," especially when they led the league in rushing both years.

 

Yes, I realize that Tyrod helped with the rushing total, but that good a run game should have helped tremendously in the pass game. Even with such a good run game, Tyrod's net yards per attempt were 13th in 2015 and an abysmal 25th in 2016. Yes, yes, I know, it was because of the trash WR's. 

 

 

The proof will be in what happens this year. 

 

 

Two points :

• "Even with such a good run game, Tyrod's net yards per attempt were 13th in 2015..."  That's just plain wacko one-hundred percent wrong. In 2015 - the only time Taylor ever had two functioning NFL-grade receivers regularly on the field - his yards-per-attempt was 5th in the league, at 7.99 ypa. Maybe the poster is trying to do something clever with "net yards per attempt" as opposed to "yards per attempt"; who knows? As Mark Twain said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." The fact remains the one year Taylor had a deep threat (who wasn't running on a broken left foot), he was in the top five in the NFL at yardage per pass. 

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt/year/2015

• Now my point of agreement with Elroy16 : "The proof will be in what happens this year." Absolutely; and what's more, we'll all be back hashing it out right here in this forum, probably week by week. Hell, we can't stop arguing about the guy even during the dead of off-season, with him exiled to gawdforsaken Cleveland. I really wonder what some of the more buffoonish voices in this debate will do when real games are being played. Will Teddy KGB show his face then?

[elroy16]

35 minutes ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• "Even with such a good run game, Tyrod's net yards per attempt were 13th in 2015..."  That's just plain wacko one-hundred percent wrong. In 2015 - the only time Taylor ever had two functioning NFL-grade receivers regularly on the field - his yards-per-attempt was 5th in the league, at 7.99 ypa. Maybe the poster is trying to do something clever with "net yards per attempt" as opposed to "yards per attempt"; who knows? As Mark Twain said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." The fact remains the one year Taylor had a deep threat (who wasn't running on a broken left foot), he was in the top five in the NFL at yardage per pass. 

            http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt/year/2015

• Now my point of agreement with Elroy16 : "The proof will be in what happens this year." Absolutely; and what's more, we'll all be back hashing it out right here in this forum, probably week by week. Hell, we can't stop arguing about the guy even during the dead of off-season, with him exiled to gawdforsaken Cleveland. I really wonder what some of the more buffoonish voices in this debate will do when real games are being played. Will Teddy KGB show his face then?

 

 

You're right. I pulled the team stat from the following link instead of the individual stat. Using the team stat instead of individual was an obvious oversight that I did not intentionally do to deceive anyone. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/#

 

He still had poor numbers in 2016 and 2017. I know he didn't have all these weapons that are required to put up numbers, but that's the problem with Tyrod. He's ok, but can't elevate anyone's game. His intermediate passing is sorely lacking which let's teams focus on the run and avoiding deep passes. 

 

Tyrod played well in stretches, but wasn't nearly consistent enough. You won't convince me he's more than an extremity athletic QB, who throws a decent deep ball, but won't make enough throws to be a top 15 QB. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[The Red King]

Any discussion of Tyrod at this point is...

 

 

People are pretty locked into their opinions by now.  The same arguments get made.  Whatever your current opinion of TT is, you are not going to sway anyone holding a differing view.  And that's understandable.  We've had time to form those opinions, with the JAX playoff game galvanizing them for many.  There is nothing that has happened or become known since then that is tangible enough to change those opinions.  Until there is, this is pointless.  Discuss about TT has degenerated into "Uh-huh!"..."Nu-unh!"..."Uh-huh!"..."Nu-unh!"..."Uh-huh!"...and people are starting to get nasty about it, throwing out insults against anyone who dare hold a differing opinion on the man.

 

This deadlock can't be broken right now, it's pointless to try.  Ultimately, time will tell.  Tyrod is with the Browns, and we'll see what he does with a new team, coach and personnel.  Until then, it may be best if people let the whole TT argument go.  There is absolutely nothing positive to come from it any longer.

[grb]

2 hours ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

You're right. I pulled the team stat from the following link instead of the individual stat. Using the team stat instead of individual was an obvious oversight that I did not intentionally do to deceive anyone. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2015/#

 

He still had poor numbers in 2016 and 2017. I know he didn't have all these weapons that are required to put up numbers, but that's the problem with Tyrod. He's ok, but can't elevate anyone's game. His intermediate passing is sorely lacking which let's teams focus on the run and avoiding deep passes. 

 

Tyrod played well in stretches, but wasn't nearly consistent enough. You won't convince me he's more than an extremity athletic QB, who throws a decent deep ball, but won't make enough throws to be a top 15 QB. 

 

We're drowning in football stats; there's a number for everything under the sun. I don't think anyone can keep'em all straight. As for Taylor not being a "top 15 qb", he finished 7th in passer rating in 2015, 13th and 16th in following years. Whatever qualms you might have about the NFL's passer rating system, I think it's a stretch to say he'll never be a top 15 quarterback. That's like the people who say he's good for 8-9 wins max, ignoring the fact he delivered at least eight wins two of his three years starting, and with deeply flawed teams to boot. Taylor's real problem seems to be the tendency to dead-zone games. These aren't the multi-interception mega-stinkers all quarterbacks have, but they're still bad by being extremely ineffectual, and have come a couple of times too often in a season at least. Whether experience and much-better weapons help alleviate that flaw, we'll see... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, PeterGriffin said:

No, he really is bad. 

If he was any good he would still be a Buffalo Bill.

 

TBH, I don't think that follows at all

 

I think possibly one reason the Bills got what they could from him and moved on is that TT was just good enough that players who want to win would gritch if TT were on the bench while a rookie was struggling, but NOT good enough to be a long-term answer at QB

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

I think it definetly does.     

 

We know

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We know

 

After the jags, Saints, and all the embarrassing Pats games you have to agree no ? 

 

Calling him good is a reach imo. 

 

Let the Allen era commence, it’s wild this convo still burns on and folks still back him after all the fails.  

Edited May 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Lfod]

Tyrod had a lot of qualities I liked. He was durable. I mean he did get knocked out but man those were hard hits. He was athletic and could make some plays. I'm got nothing against Tyrod and I actually do have a ton of respect for him. 

 

I just understand that Buffalo brought in a back up that's been in the league awhile to see if they could get him to transition into a starting quarter back. I have nothing against it. The experiment is over.

 

 Tyrod straight choked in games. No one can deny that. He choked in the Panthers and Jaguars games. That's on him. He's the field general and controls the field. Thanks for the 3rd round pick Tyrod. 

 

Now it's the real deal, your playing for the worst team in football and you have people thinking your the real deal. Even after those disaster games. I'm sorry but I'm siding with Buffalo. We made the right choice to bench him and then move on the smart way getting value. 

 

I still think starting Tyrod is safer because you need him to get a few wins so everything is more in sync for Baker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Lfod

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

After the jags, Saints, and all the embarrassing Pats games you have to agree no ? 

 

Nuh-uh, not going to go down that worm hole with you.

Teddy KGB: "Tyrod sucks.  Lo and behold, how Tyrod has the worst suckage of any QB who ever hath sucked in the NFL, forsooth!"

Random poster: "Foresooth, I have watch'ed games and checked numbers, and lo I have beheld at times there has been good"

Teddy KGB: "Thy games and numbers matter not, for I have Seen the Light, and the Light has illuminated the Eternal Suckage of Tyrod, and I can behold none other!"

 

29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Calling him good is a reach imo. 

 

I was addressing a nice chap who posited that if Tyrod were good (whatever that means to him), he wouldn't be on the Browns now.

I don't think it follows.  Sometimes good is the enemy of great, and it's better to make a clean break.

 

The Browns QB room may be....INteresting this year.

[Big Gun]

4 hours ago, grb said:

 

We're drowning in football stats; there's a number for everything under the sun. I don't think anyone can keep'em all straight. As for Taylor not being a "top 15 qb", he finished 7th in passer rating in 2015, 13th and 16th in following years. Whatever qualms you might have about the NFL's passer rating system, I think it's a stretch to say he'll never be a top 15 quarterback. That's like the people who say he's good for 8-9 wins max, ignoring the fact he delivered at least eight wins two of his three years starting, and with deeply flawed teams to boot. Taylor's real problem seems to be the tendency to dead-zone games. These aren't the multi-interception mega-stinkers all quarterbacks have, but they're still bad by being extremely ineffectual, and have come a couple of times too often in a season at least. Whether experience and much-better weapons help alleviate that flaw, we'll see... 

Rk		Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate ▼	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD
1	Russell Wilson*	SEA	27	QB	16	16	10-6-0	329	483	68.1	4024	34	7.0	8	1.7	80	8.3	9.0	12.2	251.5	110.1	67.3	45	265	7.12	7.73	8.5	2	2
2	Andy Dalton	CIN	28	QB	13	13	10-3-0	255	386	66.1	3250	25	6.5	7	1.8	80	8.4	8.9	12.7	250.0	106.2	70.0	20	118	7.71	8.17	4.9	3	3
3	Carson Palmer*	ARI	36	QB	16	16	13-3-0	342	537	63.7	4671	35	6.5	11	2.0	68	8.7	9.1	13.7	291.9	104.6	77.1	25	151	8.04	8.41	4.4	1	4
4	Tom Brady*	NWE	38	QB	16	16	12-4-0	402	624	64.4	4770	36	5.8	7	1.1	76	7.6	8.3	11.9	298.1	102.2	68.0	38	225	6.87	7.48	5.7	2	2
5	Kirk Cousins	WAS	27	QB	16	16	9-7-0	379	543	69.8	4166	29	5.3	11	2.0	78	7.7	7.8	11.0	260.4	101.6	71.7	26	186	6.99	7.14	4.6	2	3
6	Drew Brees	NOR	36	QB	15	15	7-8-0	428	627	68.3	4870	32	5.1	11	1.8	80	7.8	8.0	11.4	324.7	101.0	70.4	31	235	7.04	7.26	4.7	1	2
7	Cam Newton*+	CAR	26	QB	16	16	15-1-0	296	495	59.8	3837	35	7.1	10	2.0	74	7.8	8.3	13.0	239.8	99.4	67.0	33	284	6.73	7.20	6.3	3	4
8	Tyrod Taylor*	BUF	26	QB/wr	14	14	7-6-0	242	380	63.7	3035	20	5.3	6	1.6	63	8.0	8.3	12.5	216.8	99.4	65.3	36	212	6.79	7.10	8.7	1	2
9	Matthew Stafford	DET	27	QB	16	16	7-9-0	398	592	67.2	4262	32	5.4	13	2.2	57	7.2	7.3	10.7	266.4	97.0	58.5	44	251	6.31	6.39	6.9	2	3
10	Alex Smith	KAN	31	QB	16	16	11-5-0	307	470	65.3	3486	20	4.3	7	1.5	80	7.4	7.6	11.4	217.9	95.4	58.4	45	235	6.31	6.48	8.7	1	1

 

Rk		Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate ▼	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD
1	Matt Ryan*+	ATL	31	QB	16	16	11-5-0	373	534	69.9	4944	38	7.1	7	1.3	76	9.3	10.1	13.3	309.0	117.1	79.4	37	235	8.25	9.03	6.5	1	2
2	Tom Brady*	NWE	39	QB	12	12	11-1-0	291	432	67.4	3554	28	6.5	2	0.5	79	8.2	9.3	12.2	296.2	112.2	79.1	15	87	7.76	8.81	3.4	1	1
3	Dak Prescott*	DAL	23	QB	16	16	13-3-0	311	459	67.8	3667	23	5.0	4	0.9	83	8.0	8.6	11.8	229.2	104.9	78.8	25	143	7.28	7.86	5.2	5	5
4	Aaron Rodgers*	GNB	33	QB	16	16	10-6-0	401	610	65.7	4428	40	6.6	7	1.1	60	7.3	8.1	11.0	276.8	104.2	73.8	35	246	6.48	7.24	5.4	0	2
5	Drew Brees*	NOR	37	QB	16	16	7-9-0	471	673	70.0	5208	37	5.5	15	2.2	98	7.7	7.8	11.1	325.5	101.7	65.1	27	184	7.18	7.27	3.9	2	4
6	Sam Bradford	MIN	29	QB	15	15	7-8-0	395	552	71.6	3877	20	3.6	5	0.9	71	7.0	7.3	9.8	258.5	99.3	57.3	37	276	6.11	6.41	6.3	1	1
7	Kirk Cousins*	WAS	28	QB	16	16	8-7-1	406	606	67.0	4917	25	4.1	12	2.0	80	8.1	8.0	12.1	307.3	97.2	66.1	23	190	7.52	7.45	3.7	4	4
8	Derek Carr*	OAK	25	QB	15	15	12-3-0	357	560	63.8	3937	28	5.0	6	1.1	75	7.0	7.5	11.0	262.5	96.7	54.6	16	79	6.70	7.20	2.8	7	7
9	Andrew Luck	IND	27	QB	15	15	8-7-0	346	545	63.5	4240	31	5.7	13	2.4	64	7.8	7.8	12.3	282.7	96.4	65.9	41	268	6.78	6.84	7.0	4	4
10	Marcus Mariota	TEN	23	QB	15	15	8-7-0	276	451	61.2	3426	26	5.8	9	2.0	60	7.6	7.9	12.4	228.4	95.6	59.4	23	156	6.90	7.14	4.9	2	2
11	Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	34	QB	14	14	10-4-0	328	509	64.4	3819	29	5.7	13	2.6	72	7.5	7.5	11.6	272.8	95.4	61.8	17	141	6.99	6.98	3.2	2	2
12	Ryan Tannehill	MIA	28	QB	13	13	8-5-0	261	389	67.1	2995	19	4.9	12	3.1	74	7.7	7.3	11.5	230.4	93.5	49.4	29	216	6.65	6.27	6.9	3	3
13	Matthew Stafford	DET	28	QB	16	16	9-7-0	388	594	65.3	4327	24	4.0	10	1.7	73	7.3	7.3	11.2	270.4	93.3	66.5	37	216	6.52	6.56	5.9	8	8
14	Russell Wilson	SEA	28	QB	16	16	10-5-1	353	546	64.7	4219	21	3.8	11	2.0	59	7.7	7.6	12.0	263.7	92.6	56.8	41	293	6.69	6.56	7.0	4	3
15	Andy Dalton*	CIN	29	QB	16	16	6-9-1	364	563	64.7	4206	18	3.2	8	1.4	86	7.5	7.5	11.6	262.9	91.8	50.8	41	264	6.53	6.53	6.8	2	1
16	Alex Smith*	KAN	32	QB	15	15	11-4-0	328	489	67.1	3502	15	3.1	8	1.6	80	7.2	7.0	10.7	233.5	91.2	58.0	28	140	6.50	6.39	5.4	3	3
17	Colin Kaepernick	SFO	29	QB	12	11	1-10-0	196	331	59.2	2241	16	4.8	4	1.2	65	6.8	7.2	11.4	186.8	90.7	49.5	36	207	5.54	5.92	9.8	1	1
18	Tyrod Taylor	BUF	27	QB	15	15	7-8-0	269	436	61.7	3023	17	3.9	6	1.4	84	6.9	7.1	11.2	201.5	89.7	61.4	42	192	5.92	6.07	8.8	1	1
19	Philip Rivers*	SDG	35	QB	16	16	5-11-0	349	578	60.4	4386	33	5.7	21	3.6	59	7.6	7.1	12.6	274.1	87.9	57.5	36	188	6.84	6.37	5.9	1	1
20	Carson Palmer	ARI	37	QB	15	15	6-8-1	364	597	61.0	4233	26	4.4	14	2.3	80	7.1	6.9	11.6	282.2	87.2	54.5	40	281	6.20	6.03	6.3	1

 

Rk		Tm	Age	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate ▼	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD
1	Alex Smith*	KAN	33	QB	15	15	9-6-0	341	505	67.5	4042	26	5.1	5	1.0	79	8.0	8.6	11.9	269.5	104.7	63.6	35	207	7.10	7.65	6.5	1	3
2	Drew Brees*	NOR	38	QB	16	16	11-5-0	386	536	72.0	4334	23	4.3	8	1.5	54	8.1	8.3	11.2	270.9	103.9	61.1	20	145	7.53	7.71	3.6	2	2
3	Tom Brady*+	NWE	40	QB	16	16	13-3-0	385	581	66.3	4577	32	5.5	8	1.4	64	7.9	8.4	11.9	286.1	102.8	70.2	35	201	7.10	7.56	5.7	2	2
4	Carson Wentz*	PHI	25	QB	13	13	11-2-0	265	440	60.2	3296	33	7.5	7	1.6	72	7.5	8.3	12.4	253.5	101.9	74.4	28	162	6.70	7.43	6.0	1	1
5	Jared Goff*	LAR	23	QB	15	15	11-4-0	296	477	62.1	3804	28	5.9	7	1.5	94	8.0	8.5	12.9	253.6	100.5	48.4	25	172	7.24	7.72	5.0	1	1
6	Matthew Stafford	DET	29	QB	16	16	9-7-0	371	565	65.7	4446	29	5.1	10	1.8	71	7.9	8.1	12.0	277.9	99.3	61.8	47	287	6.80	7.01	7.7	1	4
7	Case Keenum	MIN	29	QB	15	14	11-3-0	325	481	67.6	3547	22	4.6	7	1.5	65	7.4	7.6	10.9	236.5	98.3	71.3	22	136	6.78	7.03	4.4	1	3
8	Aaron Rodgers	GNB	34	qb	7	7	4-3-0	154	238	64.7	1675	16	6.7	6	2.5	72	7.0	7.2	10.9	239.3	97.2	60.9	22	168	5.80	5.99	8.5	2	2
9	Philip Rivers*	LAC	36	QB	16	16	9-7-0	360	575	62.6	4515	28	4.9	10	1.7	75	7.9	8.0	12.5	282.2	96.0	60.6	18	120	7.41	7.60	3.0	2	2
10	Russell Wilson*	SEA	29	QB	16	16	9-7-0	339	553	61.3	3983	34	6.1	11	2.0	74	7.2	7.5	11.7	248.9	95.4	58.1	43	322	6.14	6.45	7.2	2	2
11	Josh McCown	NYJ	38	QB	13	13	5-8-0	267	397	67.3	2926	18	4.5	9	2.3	69	7.4	7.3	11.0	225.1	94.5	56.3	39	264	6.11	6.00	8.9	1	2
12	Kirk Cousins	WAS	29	QB	16	16	7-9-0	347	540	64.3	4093	27	5.0	13	2.4	74	7.6	7.5	11.8	255.8	93.9	50.5	41	342	6.46	6.38	7.1	1	4
13	Ben Roethlisberger*	PIT	35	QB	15	15	12-3-0	360	561	64.2	4251	28	5.0	14	2.5	97	7.6	7.5	11.8	283.4	93.4	62.9	21	139	7.07	6.95	3.6	3	4
14	Jameis Winston	TAM	23	QB	13	13	3-10-0	282	442	63.8	3504	19	4.3	11	2.5	70	7.9	7.7	12.4	269.5	92.2	50.3	33	207	6.94	6.70	6.9	2	2
15	Matt Ryan	ATL	32	QB	16	16	10-6-0	342	529	64.7	4095	20	3.8	12	2.3	88	7.7	7.5	12.0	255.9	91.4	64.9	24	156	7.12	6.87	4.3	2	3
16	Tyrod Taylor	BUF	28	QB	15	14	8-6-0	263	420	62.6	2799	14	3.3	4	1.0	47	6.7	6.9	10.6	186.6	89.2	56.4	46	256	5.46	5.67	9.9	1	2
17	Andy Dalton	CIN	30	QB	16	16	7-9-0	297	496	59.9	3320	25	5.0	12	2.4	77	6.7	6.6	11.2	207.5	86.6	42.0	39	255	5.73	5.65	7.3	3	3
18	Dak Prescott	DAL	24	QB	16	16	9-7-0	308	490	62.9	3324	22	4.5	13	2.7	81	6.8	6.5	10.8	207.8	86.6	66.3	32	185	6.01	5.74	6.1	0	4
19	Derek Carr*	OAK	26	QB	15	15	6-9-0	323	515	62.7	3496	22	4.3	13	2.5	87	6.8	6.5	10.8	233.1	86.4	47.2	20	101	6.35	6.07	3.7	1	1
20	Blake Bortles	JAX	25	QB	16	16	10-6-0	315	523	60.2	3687	21	4.0	13	2.5	75	7.0	6.7	11.7	230.4	84.7	55.5	24	123	6.52	6.21	4.4	1	1

 

8th, 18th, 16th outside top 15 in 2 out of 3 years using rating. 

 

 

[twoandfourteen]

On 5/17/2018 at 4:21 PM, ScottLaw said:

He is good at throwing the deep ball. 

 

The Bills lost just about all of their deep ball threats through last season and their WRs were trash. 

 

Tyrod is is far from great but he is also far from bad. You win games by your offense protecting the football and scoring points. The Bills offense was TREMENDOUS at that in large part due to Tyrod in 2015 and 2016. 

 

Oh, so now TT is no longer "GREAT" but simply "good" at throwing the deep ball. I'll take that as progress. 

 

"Their WRs were trash" is one of my favorite #teamtyrod excuses. Let's take a look at what Jimmy Garappolo & CJ Beathard (a rookie) had to work with in SF, shall we? 

 

Marquise Goodwin

George Kittle

Trent Taylor

Aldrick Robinson

Pierre Garcon for 8 games

and some dude named Louis Murphy. 

 

JG, CJB, and Brian Freaking Hoyer had a TOP 10 passing offense with that group of WRs & TEs. They were 1100 passing yards ahead of the Bills, who were comfortably in 31st.

 

Tyrod was in his 3rd year as a starter and still couldn't get out of the NFL passing basement. 

 

You are correct though, he is very, very far from "great"... but he is much, much closer to "bad". In fact, he's practically sitting right next to it. 

 

[xRUSHx]

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Haha, great mentor?

Man are they going to be in for a shock when Tyrod gives Baker nothing but pointers on how to hold a towel on his head and how to never throw the ball or maybe he will even show him how to not score more then 1 TD a game. I'm sure he can show him how to point blame at everyone but himself or how the offense can sit on the bench 90% of the game. This is how you pad stats. When your a short QB run and run and run. Wait till Tyrod decides to point at race again as to why he failed at being a starter also in Cleveland. 

 

Great mentor, this is rich, IMO Tyrod will be benched sooner then later once the fans get a load of timid Tyrod. I feel bad for Cleveland well at least until Baker comes in and shows them what a real QB looks like.

[Teddy KGB]

12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Lol. Like I said, the TBD standard of judging QBs is, "how many passing yards did he have? How many 300 yard passing games?" 

 

Having good WR's doesn't matter? You can plug anyone in there and your QB should be expected to perform? 

 

 

What the !@#$ is your point about Garoppolo? Garoppolo looks like the next Rodgers. When did I suggest Tyrod was as good as either of these two? 

 

 

Like I've said all along, Tyrod is what he is. A solid QB who can make plays with his legs and sustain drives and has proven he can lead an offense that can put up points when he has good players around him. 

 

Drop the solid part and the part about putting up points. 

 

He gets exposed as a bum when needed time and time again   

 

I like it when you say don’t compare him to his peers who play the same position. 

 

Thats always funny, yet his job is to beat them. 

 

Just admit he sucks so we can close this down until Mayfield steals his job.   

[Stank_Nasty]

The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. 

 

Gag me. 

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Gag me. 

 

 

K.   

 

 

 

[xRUSHx]

20 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. 

 

Gag me. 

 

More like the same old blind sympathetic posters like yourself that just can't admit that the choice they made at QB was 1000% incorrect. Same old nasty sounding just like that girl on the YouTube video many years back screaming, "leave Britney alone". Haha. 

 

Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads,  hey hey hey goodbye. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by xRUSHx

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

On 5/19/2018 at 9:31 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. 

 

Gag me. 

 

 

 

you forgot to include yourself, you seem to be riding right along too, no?

Edited May 20, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

you forgot to include yourself, you seem to riding right along too, no?

And there’s Another one of my favorites....nah. You havnt seen me say much on Tyrod, if anything at all, since he’s been moved. I’m good with it. In fact the reason for my initial post up above was because I hadn’t been in this thread one time and when I finally decide to click on it I see all 3 I mentioned on the same page. I could be mistaken but I feel like I hadn’t seen any of them in days in any other threads so  It was fitting they were all gathered here after my one simple click.... Have a nice day, junior. 

 

 

2 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

More like the same old blind sympathetic posters like yourself that just can't admit that the choice they made at QB was 1000% incorrect. Same old nasty sounding just like that girl on the YouTube video many years back screaming, "leave Britney alone". Haha. 

 

Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads,  hey hey hey goodbye. 

Classic xRUSHx.... CLASSIC! Not quite as dramatic and over the top as some of your better work but you still nailed it. Nicely done. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

And there’s Another one of my favorites....

 

 

again, here you are...crying the blues.

 

 

poor kid

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

all I did was call you a favorite. I’m not crying any sort of blues and havnt in the previous 8 pages. Just simply stated that as soon as I click in this thread for the first time since it’s been up it really managed to dredge up some characters. I give no cares to Tyrod being gone. Good with it. Have been since it happened. 

 

Now If you would be so kind to go find some sand to pound. That would be just dandy. And again.... have a nice day. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

Going to be a wonderful season not seeing the Tyrod threads,  hey hey hey goodbye. 

 

I guarantee that there will be Tyrod threads, and that you will be posting in them.

[twoandfourteen]

On 5/19/2018 at 10:07 AM, ScottLaw said:

 

Lol. Like I said, the TBD standard of judging QBs is, "how many passing yards did he have? How many 300 yard passing games?" 

 

Having good WR's doesn't matter? You can plug anyone in there and your QB should be expected to perform? 

 

 

What the !@#$ is your point about Garoppolo? Garoppolo looks like the next Rodgers. When did I suggest Tyrod was as good as either of these two? 

 

 

Like I've said all along, Tyrod is what he is. A solid QB who can make plays with his legs and sustain drives and has proven he can lead an offense that can put up points when he has good players around him. 

 

So, again let's clarify your point for the kids in the back: It's only on this website that QBs are judged on passing yards -- by definition a measure of their ability to produce offense by throwing the ball. No where else in football do people judge QBs by considering a numerical measurement of their production when throwing the football. 

 

Great point there. You are really doing a fantastic job. 

 

I couldn't really care less about JG. I was showing you that TT isn't even close to a guy who was traded mid-season to a team with comparable receivers. No training camp, no preseason. Just a couple of practices and he was already miles ahead of our three-year starter at his best. CJ Beathard, a rookie & Brian Hoyer, a career backup also posted better production with their no-name WRs than ol' no-turnover Tyrod.

 

For example, Hoyer had a game of 29/46 for 353 yds, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. 

As a rookie, Beathard already hit the "Tyrodian Ceiling" by going 19/25 for 288, 2 TDs and 1 INT. 

 

Those guys are punchlines but are still better at playing QB than TT. 

 

Moving on...

1. He makes plays with his legs because he is not good at reading defenses and making plays with his arm -- you know, the two things that QBs are primarily responsible for doing. 

2. For all those "sustained drives", they sure did punt A LOT. 

 

TT is beyond overrated. 

[twoandfourteen]

On 5/19/2018 at 10:31 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

The real mistake in all this isn’t on the browns part. It’s the OP posting this topic, which in turn dredged up teddy, 2-14, RUSH, and got them in the same thread.... that train is never late. 

 

Gag me. 

 

 

I'm honored to be included in such a prestigious group. 

 

I only jumped in once Scotty reached into his pocket for the ol' race card. That's actually what really fired me up about the whole Tyrod thing months ago in the first place. To accuse someone who is critical of Taylor's performance/production of harboring racist views is blatantly dishonest & beyond unacceptable.

 

It's not like TT was winning 12 games a year & regularly dropping 325 and 4 TDs on defenses. He regularly struggled to hit 200 yard passing in a game. His production & overall performance -- regardless of external circumstances -- were typical of a mid-to-high tier backup-caliber QB. He's no where close to being in the top 15 or 20 starting NFL QBs. It's not racist to take an objective look at the numbers & come to that conclusion. 

 

What IS racist is to lower the bar & hold TT to a lesser standard because he is a Black QB. I have far too much respect for the guy as a professional & as a person to do that. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by twoandfourteen

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I guarantee that there will be Tyrod threads, and that you will be posting in them.

 

Beat me to it.  No matter what, there will be TT threads.  If he bombs in Cleveland, the people claiming he was awful will be jumping all over that, and rubbing it in the face of TT supporters.  If he does well, the TT supporters will be frothing at the mouth to rub it in the face of the TT detractors.

 

He just might do well.  One possibility that nobody really touched on, is that his timidness might have been because of a complete lack of faith in his receivers.  Now, this is not the same thing as having bad receivers.  If he had no faith in his receivers, that might have led to some of the checkdowns and runs.  However, that is still on TT.  Sometimes you just have to take chances.  If this theory is true, then TT was like the overprotective parent that doesn't let their asthmatic child camp, play sports or even play outside, someone so terrified that their child cannot handle something that they take no chances at all.  You can be too cautious.  If this is part of what happened, having a new receiving corp might well fix the problem, TT might start taking chances, and Bills fans will then rip their hair out by the roots, screaming "Why the hell didn't he do that with us?!?".  If that is what happened, and what happens, then the trade was a good thing for both teams as Tyrod will finally be comfortable, and he would never have been that QB for us.  This is just a theory, though.  Not sure if I subscribe to it.