Interviews/Commentary about Josh Allen (WY OC, Palmer, Joe B etc)

[Magox]

I created a thread, which I don't do too often and within minutes it was merged.

 

Whatever 

[BuffaloRush]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Rule #1.  Use the search function.  

 

I do it every time I create a thread.  

 

Discussions can be had for example in one Josh Allen thread.  

 

When certain people refuse to post in another persons thread ......   it is actually quite sad.  

 

In February I started a Bills cap salary thread and this person started their own an hour later.  

 

Truth of it ......  it is a better experience because of it.  

 

This is ridiculous.  How can you find content if you don’t know what to search for? For instance I clicked on the article because I thought the title sounded interesting.  I came here to look for subjects that are interesting.... I didn’t come here to search for Josh Allen, so I never would have found this thread.  

 

The mods here are pretty cool and generally do a very good job.  I hope they side with logic, as opposed to giving into the preferences of some long time members 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I just started 2 threads and the discussions are going quite well all on their own.  

 

No griping or complaining. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Rule #1.  Use the search function.  

 

I do it every time I create a thread.  

 

Discussions can be had for example in one Josh Allen thread.  

 

When certain people refuse to post in another persons thread ......   it is actually quite sad.  

 

In February I started a Bills cap salary thread and this person started their own an hour later.  

 

Truth of it ......  it is a better experience because of it.  

 

 

Do you know how many hundreds of pages and thousands of posts there would be in 1 Josh Allen thread if everything was condensed into it? It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to sift through all that, which is fine, but to ask everyone to do it seems crazy. Just because a thread is about a player doesn't mean it's about the same subject matter regarding that player. With a new thread created about new content on a player, you can see up front if that's something you want to click on. And if not, it's a split second decision and you can keep scrolling down. Your way would require for everyone to sift through so much stuff that they might not be interested in to find any kind of new info. 

 

If you want to talk about sad...it's trying to stop people from having the experience they want on this site just because it's not what you want. Nobody's trying to stop you from posting something new in page 13 of an existing thread just because it's not the way they want to do it. My opinion of course, but I don't think the other side of the argument comes from a place of narcissism, whereas it seems like yours does. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

This is ridiculous.  How can you find content if you don’t know what to search for? For instance I clicked on the article because I thought the title sounded interesting.  I came here to look for subjects that are interesting.... I didn’t come here to search for Josh Allen, so I never would have found this thread.  

 

The mods here are pretty cool and generally do a very good job.  I hope they side with logic, as opposed to giving into the preferences of some long time members 

Some long time members are part of the issue we see here today. 

 

This is my second account here as I forgot the first ones info, so I too am a long time user and have learned that no one is above the rules.  

 

Hap is doing a good job of keeping things coherent and civil.   

Edited May 8, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Steve Billieve]

4 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Because this was a great article that would otherwise be buried among sub threads.  Leave this on its own thread

 

My point wasn't that it should be merged.  My point was that it should be in its own thread.  Initial posters were complaining about thread creation, although some deleted their posts.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Do you know how many hundreds of pages and thousands of posts there would be in 1 Josh Allen thread if everything was condensed into it? It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to sift through all that, which is fine, but to ask everyone to do it seems crazy.

Sorry to hear you are having a hard time.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

This is ridiculous.  How can you find content if you don’t know what to search for? For instance I clicked on the article because I thought the title sounded interesting.  I came here to look for subjects that are interesting.... I didn’t come here to search for Josh Allen, so I never would have found this thread.  

 

The mods here are pretty cool and generally do a very good job.  I hope they side with logic, as opposed to giving into the preferences of some long time members 

 

Bingo. For obvious reasons, that part wasn't going to get a response from that person. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

 

Do you know how many hundreds of pages and thousands of posts there would be in 1 Josh Allen thread if everything was condensed into it? It seems like you have a lot of time on your hands to sift through all that, which is fine, but to ask everyone to do it seems crazy. Just because a thread is about a player doesn't mean it's about the same subject matter regarding that player. With a new thread created about new content on a player, you can see up front if that's something you want to click on. And if not, it's a split second decision and you can keep scrolling down. Your way would require for everyone to sift through so much stuff that they might not be interested in to find any kind of new info. 

 

If you want to talk about sad...it's trying to stop people from having the experience they want on this site just because it's not what you want. Nobody's trying to stop you from posting something new in page 13 of an existing thread just because it's not the way they want to do it. My opinion of course, but I don't think the other side of the argument comes from a place of narcissism, whereas it seems like yours does. 

 

 

you would be surprised how quick you can find threads/posts/members with the search function and it would save all the sifting to boot. some may not be savoy enough to use it, obviously with so many duplicate threads on one subject. I found an article in less then a minute.

 

I don't think all the complaining is going to change anything so try the other avenue, search 

 

 

5 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Bingo. For obvious reasons, that part wasn't going to get a response from that person. 

  

I'll respond. if you can't find anything "new", go google buffalo bills or josh allen, you would be amazed at all you would find and most times don't have to look for it linked here from some one.  

 

many options

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

you would be surprised how quick you can find threads/posts/members with the search function and it would save all the sifting to boot. some may not be savoy enough to use it, obviously with so many duplicate threads on one subject. I found an article in less then a minute.

 

I don't think all the complaining is going to change anything so try the other avenue, search 

 

 

 

You're missing the point about that. 

 

Let me ask you a question...of the people that actually read that Joe B article...how many of them do you think came on to the message board without having known it existed and said "hey, I hope there's a Joe B article on Josh Allen today, let me search for one!" Most, if not all, read it because they saw it posted either as a new thread or within this one after it was merged. And I would bet that of that group, most saw it when it was a new thread. 

 

So if someone just came here to look for some new, interesting stuff...they would have had to sift through 6 pages of this thread to find it. And maybe the mods of this board want it to go in that direction. I'm not on here everyday and don't post a ton so they certainly won't care if I leave, but I think they'll start losing some good people if it goes down that road. 

[HappyDays]

36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I edited the title in response to your gracious and courteous contributory remarks.  Thank you.

 

Commentary and interviews together represent all the possible content there could be on Josh Allen. So it seems for no reason the site is migrating towards a one-thread-fits-all format, where each player will have a singular giant thread. It doesn't take too many seconds of thought to realize why that is a poor idea. Some aimless threads could use to be merged with others, but individual articles, videos, etc. are worthy of their own thread. Just my humble opinion. I didn't realize this was a problem before?

Edited May 8, 2018 by HappyDays

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I’m seeing a lot of this.   

 

 

 

 

I suggest you 

 

 

ots it’s a joke laugh a little 

 

Re Joe B.  Sometimes it’s  better to not read his stuff.  

 

And if if you do.  Use Google 

 

enjoy your evening 

[The Bills Blog]

Seriously? You're going to merge this thread with others with links to interviews and make people click through every page on a wild goose chase to find the one they want to see? This is ridiculous. How is this user-friendly? Outrageous.

[BillsBytheBay]

44 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Rule #1.  Use the search function.  

 

I do it every time I create a thread.  

 

Discussions can be had for example in one Josh Allen thread.  

 

When certain people refuse to post in another persons thread ......   it is actually quite sad.  

 

In February I started a Bills cap salary thread and this person started their own an hour later.  

 

Truth of it ......  it is a better experience because of it.  

I understand your point.  Really, I do.  But not every conversation about the same player is the same conversation.  I didn't want to participate in a thread that has multiple different topics that have been washed away into a mass of stupid crusaders.

  But thanks for not getting my point.

[BuffaloRush]

15 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

you would be surprised how quick you can find threads/posts/members with the search function and it would save all the sifting to boot. some may not be savoy enough to use it, obviously with so many duplicate threads on one subject. I found an article in less then a minute.

 

I don't think all the complaining is going to change anything so try the other avenue, search 

 

 

  

I'll respond. if you can't find anything "new", go google buffalo bills or josh allen, you would be amazed at all you would find and most times don't have to look for it linked here from some one.  

 

many options

 

 

 

Ridiculous.... imagine if news sites were like this?  Again, most of use come here to find Bills related content.  In most circumstance we don’t know what we want to read until we read the titles.   I don’t come here thinking “I want to read to read about Josh Allen” or “I wonder what’s new with Shady?”  We read what we find to be interesting.

 

IMO I would agree that it’s ruing the experience here.

 

I’m not against thread mergers when they make logical sense.  But IMO I don’t see the Joe B article fitting into the huge long Josh Allen thread.  It makes no sense.

 

There’s a clear division here between members that want one huge long thread and others who want individual threads.   TSW Is a great place and I really enjoy my time here.  I’m hoping that the mods can come to agreement we can all live with @SDS

[The Bills Blog]

34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Sorry to hear you are having a hard time.  

So sarcastic. Disgusting.

[Foxx]

THE only time a thread should be merged with another one is when they are idential in topic, period.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

So sarcastic. Disgusting.

Sorry that you find my sincerity as offensive. 

 

[jrober38]

3 hours ago, Bill_with_it said:

Correct, however, the key thing to note is that he said he could. Its up to the individual to correct his flaws. He’s responsible for himself and no one else. He has to put in all the work, and when he does and the results dont work out he has to put in more work and analyze why it didnt work. There is not a magic accuracy pill or Doug Whaley and EJ Manuel would have purchased them all.

Thats the thing, unlike CH, Allen hasnt been doing it his whole life. He hasn’t received top coaching, etc... Give him a chance he deserves it.

 

That's the rub - guys don't improve their accuracy in the NFL in a meaningful way. 

 

Doesn't matter how hard a guy works off the field, once the bullets are real and defenders are actually trying to tackle him and intercept his passes, they all revert back to the inaccurate tendencies on film in college. 

 

Jordan Palmer literally said all the same things about Christian Hackenberg as he's said about Josh Allen. All the talk meant nothing in the past, so I don't get why anyone is supposed to believe Palmer this time around. 

 

Until Allen actually proves that he has the accuracy required to thrive in the NFL, all this stuff from "QB gurus" is just talk. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

I understand your point.  Really, I do.  But not every conversation about the same player is the same conversation.  I didn't want to participate in a thread that has multiple different topics that have been washed away into a mass of stupid crusaders.

  But thanks for not getting my point.

 

Some people are unfortunately more interested in settling perceived slights or carrying out some vendetta rather than making a positive contribution to the site that enhances the experience of the community at large.  It's pretty sad. 

[mead107]

Seems like mostly newbies are the ones that don’t like the merge of threads. 

 

Go back to Bbmb.  “O” that site no longer exists.  ????

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

     

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's the rub - guys don't improve their accuracy in the NFL in a meaningful way. 

 

Doesn't matter how hard a guy works off the field, once the bullets are real and defenders are actually trying to tackle him and intercept his passes, they all revert back to the inaccurate tendencies on film in college. 

 

Jordan Palmer literally said all the same things about Christian Hackenberg as he's said about Josh Allen. All the talk meant nothing in the past, so I don't get why anyone is supposed to believe Palmer this time around. 

 

Until Allen actually proves that he has the accuracy required to thrive in the NFL, all this stuff from "QB gurus" is just talk. 

You have an opinion. I just think making a declarative statement in saying all and everyone is usually not good. There is always some one that can and some one that usually does, otherwise we would still be living like cavemen. Im going to give the guy a chance just as I did the others until he shoes me he cant.

 

[BillsBytheBay]

Just now, mead107 said:

Seems like mostly newbies are the ones that don’t like the merge of threads. 

 

Go back to Bbmb.  “O” that site no longer exists.  ????

I don't post year round.  But I'm no newbie.  It's fine.  It's their board.  It just feels unfair to end a good thread for the sake of someone's need to fit everything in a box. And now the box is filled.with crap and I have to search for what was just infront of me.....

 

Witch is why I don't post year round.

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Seriously? You're going to merge this thread with others with links to interviews and make people click through every page on a wild goose chase to find the one they want to see? This is ridiculous. How is this user-friendly? Outrageous.

 

It’s better than the Bills Blog. 

 

 

 

 

[The Bills Blog]

I had to look through four pages before I found the original link to the Joe B feature. Searching Joe Buscaglia was not helpful because it yielded a ton of results of people discussing this issue but not the original feature link, at least not intuitively. Anyone arguing that this is easier than clicking on a separate thread for that feature is certifiably insane.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Some people are unfortunately more interested in settling perceived slights or carrying out some vendetta rather than making a positive contribution to the site that enhances the experience of the community at large.  It's pretty sad. 

Perceived Slights ?????

 

He who refuses to post in ANY thread I start?  

 

thanks for the laugh. 

 

Look dude I offered numerous times to bury the hatchet.  You refused every time.  

 

Care to try again???

 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, JaxBills said:

I don't post year round.  But I'm no newbie.  It's fine.  It's their board.  It just feels unfair to end a good thread for the sake of someone's need to fit everything in a box. And now the box is filled.with crap and I have to search for what was just infront of me.....

 

Witch is why I don't post year round.

 

The thread hasn’t ended.   It’s right here.   If you want to comment on the two threads 26 corner started about Allen you can do it right here.    

 

Pretty simple stuff imo 

[The Bills Blog]

Easier to log on to TBD, see news by Joe B was merged with another thread, and then GOOGLE Joe Buscaglia. Lol.

[Foxx]

look what locking the stickied thread has wrought....... this thread is now a complete mess. i say open the stickied thread for discussion because, like it or not, the topic will be discussed.

[BillsBytheBay]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

The thread hasn’t ended.   It’s right here.   If you want to comment on the two threads 26 corner started about Allen you can do it right here.    

 

Pretty simple stuff imo 

Point taken.  Enjoy your box of stuff. I'm on this board on my phone while on the go.  Always.  Knowing what thread was productive was nice.  You win.  We should have to live through the search function...

Edited May 8, 2018 by JaxBills

[mead107]

2 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

I don't post year round.  But I'm no newbie.  It's fine.  It's their board.  It just feels unfair to end a good thread for the sake of someone's need to fit everything in a box. And now the box is filled.with crap and I have to search for what was just infront of me.....

 

Witch is why I don't post year round.

Not directed at you. Large influx that think they have to have their own thread. 

 

Little thing called search.  

Most things  have been posted multiple times in a dozen threads. 

We are far enough a way from the draft that we don’t need 10 new threads a day on Josh Allen. 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

5-8: Wyoming OC Brent Vigen on One Bills Live (15:53)

 

In case anyone might be interested. 

[BillsBytheBay]

2 minutes ago, mead107 said:

Not directed at you. Large influx that think they have to have their own thread. 

 

Little thing called search.  

Most things  have been posted multiple times in a dozen threads. 

We are far enough a way from the draft that we don’t need 10 new threads a day on Josh Allen. 

 

I get it.  Really.  90% of the time I agree.  But this time I don't.  Most of the Allen threads should have been merged.  But this time around it was all swept under one rug with out looking.  

It's cool.  It's the rule.  Some of us didn't agree with the everyone being the same but its done and over.  

Back to my man Allen!!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

You're missing the point about that. 

 

Let me ask you a question...of the people that actually read that Joe B article...how many of them do you think came on to the message board without having known it existed and said "hey, I hope there's a Joe B article on Josh Allen today, let me search for one!" Most, if not all, read it because they saw it posted either as a new thread or within this one after it was merged. And I would bet that of that group, most saw it when it was a new thread. 

 

So if someone just came here to look for some new, interesting stuff...they would have had to sift through 6 pages of this thread to find it. And maybe the mods of this board want it to go in that direction. I'm not on here everyday and don't post a ton so they certainly won't care if I leave, but I think they'll start losing some good people if it goes down that road. 

 

does every writer need their own thread? I don't know, I guess I have a little more time then some and scroll through a thread, where before this became some kind of an issue I would see a few different members post a link or two in said thread or a video, tweet all seen when taking the time to look. I've even seen where a tweet was linked in more then one thread and then ended up as it's own thread. you don't need 15 different allen threads, regardless of the tweet or writer/source and I have no issue with them being merged.

 

 

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.”

― John Lydgate

 

 

 

 

 

I can relate somewhat to your frustration especially if you're dependent on the board for your bills news/discussion so I'm not trying to be out of line here, apologize if I may seem to be?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

28 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

I had to look through four pages before I found the original link to the Joe B feature. Searching Joe Buscaglia was not helpful because it yielded a ton of results of people discussing this issue but not the original feature link, at least not intuitively. Anyone arguing that this is easier than clicking on a separate thread for that feature is certifiably insane.

 

 

27 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Easier to log on to TBD, see news by Joe B was merged with another thread, and then GOOGLE Joe Buscaglia. Lol.

 

 

just depends on what you want. you can be lazy and come here hoping you find what you're looking for. or yes, google, whether funny to you or not is a fine source to locate any bills news/information.

 

it'll be aight

[BillsBytheBay]

Can we turn this into the complaints about the Allen merger thread, and start a new thread actually talking about Alan?

Edited May 9, 2018 by JaxBills

[Bills Pimpin']

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

That's the rub - guys don't improve their accuracy in the NFL in a meaningful way. 

 

Doesn't matter how hard a guy works off the field, once the bullets are real and defenders are actually trying to tackle him and intercept his passes, they all revert back to the inaccurate tendencies on film in college. 

 

Jordan Palmer literally said all the same things about Christian Hackenberg as he's said about Josh Allen. All the talk meant nothing in the past, so I don't get why anyone is supposed to believe Palmer this time around. 

 

Until Allen actually proves that he has the accuracy required to thrive in the NFL, all this stuff from "QB gurus" is just talk. 

Until Allen actually proves he doesn't have the accuracy required to thrve in the NFL, all this stuff from "internet forum troll" is just talk. 

Edited May 9, 2018 by Bills Pimpin'

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

I get it.  Really.  90% of the time I agree.  But this time I don't.  Most of the Allen threads should have been merged.  But this time around it was all swept under one rug with out looking.  

It's cool.  It's the rule.  Some of us didn't agree with the everyone being the same but its done and over.  

Back to my man Allen!!

 

Incorrect. 

 

Here's what happens.  When there are complaints about duplicate threads, search a couple 2 or 3 word terms.  If multiple threads come up, look through each one and try to see if they have a common theme.  If they do, merge to try to keep threads about one player down to about 10 or so on the first 2 pages.  Lock dup threads without much substance.

 

I'm sure I make mistakes sometimes, or see it differently than others (including other mods, though we do make some effort to sync up).  I can search various ways and find what I'm looking for in a big thread, so IDK about some of the complaints.

 

Every time merging is done, some people will b*tch that their specific thread of interest is now harder to find, and some people will b*tch there are still too many different threads and it should all have been merged. 

 

Like I said, I figure when the b*tching on both sides is about equal, it's probably about the right balance.

[Bills Pimpin']

I'm in the camp of not merging threads unless they are identical orrecent news posted at the same time by mistake. Often times similar threads take conversations in different directions and those conversations can get disjointed when threads are merged. I'm not complaining and I really don't give a !@#$, but if anyone asked my opinion, which no one did, I would vote for less merging. I don't know what the big deal is with more threads to be honest.