SouthNYfan Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He was certainly near the bottom in catch rate, but I believe that's just "passes he caught/passes where he was IDd as the target" - no adjustment for whether or not the ball was within his catch radius. He was definitely struggling though. Even Mama Jones (his mom) burned him for that. That was still funny as hell. I hope he works out I like the kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: How long did it take Eric Moulds to develop into a top receiver? Answer: He wasn't good until his 3rd yr. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoulEr00.htm Most WRs take a good 3 seasons before they fully develop, anyone who plays fantasy football knows that. Edited May 2, 2018 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: Timing seemed to be an issue with Tyrod and ZJ. There were certainly other issues but the two never seemed to be on the same page. Hopefully, both put in enough work to establish a chemistry. Just have to wait to find out. Yep. Exactly this. Zay knows how to catch a football. He just needs to get on the same page with his QB and build some confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, skibum said: What's a ZJ? if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Edited May 2, 2018 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I think with a more rhythm/timing-oriented quarterback, a lot of this will be remedied. When you're waiting for a pass to be thrown and you feel like you're about to get killed because the QB waited so long to release, I could see how that would affect your head/focus/concentration. I understand that the other guys didn't have these problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Kid had bad luck. He was just starting to look like a viable NFL weapon in the away game to New York but he got injured. Already had a TD and was going to break a long one before the opposing CB tripped him and injured him. I think he might like playing with Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: How long did it take Eric Moulds to develop into a top receiver? Answer: He wasn't good until his 3rd yr. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoulEr00.htm So true. Many fans were saying he was a bust. Then that third year he turned into a beast and just started dominating. Not saying Zay will turn into Moulds, but he has the talent to be a very good pro. Before last season he was known for catching everything. No reason he can't get back to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I think Zay Jones just had a horrible rookie season. It happens. I am confident that he'll bounce back and catch passes like he did in college. Yeah, he lost his confidence. Not a great start to his offseason and I wanted JuJu. But he gets a clean slate with me. If he does bust, it will only add to my doubts about this staff’s ability to show offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Im of the opinion that Zay was thinking too much about the catch. Tyrod had below NFL average arm talent(was a baller though), Josh has one of the strongest the league has seen. Whether he is accurate and can throw with anticipation consistently remains to be seen. That said I think Zay will think less while the ball is in the air and make more ridiculous catches this year. His best catches were ones where he had to make serious adjustments, not really able to think, just react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Zay had real problems tracking the ball in the air on passes downfield. Just godawful. Those had nothing to do with injuries. Hopefully he will improve. The yips I expect will improve. Also the main reason Moulds had poor stats early was that Marv hated playing rookies. We had decent veterans ahead of him but Marv screwed him over to some degree. It was at least as much that he wasn't afforded the chance as it was he took some time. He was better than guys in front of him but had to wait his turn. Yes like that play in Atlanta where he got wide open over the defense and Taylor dropped a perfect pass in...........and Zay jumped at it and dropped it..........that was some crazy high school looking **** from a wide receiver. He was truly garbage last year.........terrible routes......couldn't track the ball.........went from a guy who can catch any throw within 8 feet of him in college to a guy who can't catch a perfect throw on his hands......it was a sight to behold and one of the worst rookie seasons in Bills history. Arguably the league's worst receiver. Now MAYBE he can come back from that...........but COUNTING on him to be the #2 or #3 WR after THAT awful of a season and fully knowing the crazy **** where he almost killed himself this offseason and the family history of mental illness........!@#$ that! Dropzone Jones is not worthy of any confidence. I expect nothing from him until proven he can do otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, H2o said: Imo, Tyrod threw a pretty catchable ball. He knew when to sling it and put some touch on his passes. Was he the greatest? No. The reason I bring this up is because of ZJ and his dropped passes last year. Josh Allen rips the ball on a lot of occasions. How will that affect ZJ? I hope he gets it together and his stone hands can be remedied, but one has to wonder. He’ll be catching balls from McC this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I thought Zay had shoulder surgery this off-season, which probably impacted his performance this past season. I somewhat bought that until was it Alshon Jeffrey who had and played with the same injury? But then proceeded to rip it In the playoffs/superbowl lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: How long did it take Eric Moulds to develop into a top receiver? Answer: He wasn't good until his 3rd yr. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoulEr00.htm This is patently incorrect. Eric Moulds was living under Andre Reed's shadow his first two years. Barring injury, WR's are either a star their first year or not, unlike QB. Cases in point: Jerry Butler, Jerry Rice, and Sammy Watkins: http://www.nfl.com/player/jerrybutler/2510828/profile https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatkSa00.htm Zay Jones is a bust, period. Edited May 2, 2018 by mileena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills757 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, buffalover4life said: Im of the opinion that Zay was thinking too much about the catch. Tyrod had below NFL average arm talent(was a baller though), Josh has one of the strongest the league has seen. Whether he is accurate and can throw with anticipation consistently remains to be seen. That said I think Zay will think less while the ball is in the air and make more ridiculous catches this year. His best catches were ones where he had to make serious adjustments, not really able to think, just react. Taylor's arm strength was just fine. And his touch on the deep ball was certainly in the upper tier for NFL QB's when Watkins and Harvin were healthy. The Bills simply had no deep threat once Watkins, Harvin, Goodwin et al left. Harvin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0mPpSEzRZ4 Clay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebSknJ36AxA Watkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISCzWFn43Q&t=14s Edited May 2, 2018 by Bills757 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, mileena said: This is patently incorrect. Eric Moulds was living under Andre Reed's shadow his first two years. Barring injury, WR's are either a star their first year or not, unlike QB. Cases in point: Jerry Butler and Jerry Rice: http://www.nfl.com/player/jerrybutler/2510828/profile https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm Zay Jones is a bust, period. this is when you know you're dealing with awesome. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bills757 said: Taylor's arm strength was just fine. And his touch on the deep ball was certainly in the upper tier for NFL QB's when Watkins and Harvin were healthy. The Bills simply had no deep threat once Watkins, Harvin, Goodwin et al left. Harvin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0mPpSEzRZ4 Clay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebSknJ36AxA Watkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISCzWFn43Q&t=14s Im talking about ball velocity. Not ability to throw the deep ball. I know 10 people that can throw the ball 50 yards. I liked Tyrod but he did not have an upper tier arm. Its not how far you throw it but the angle at which the ball is going to its target. Josh Allens, Staffords, Rodgers, Mayfields deep balls go on a trajectory that the ball gets there sooner, while arms like tyrod and Ryan Fitzpatrick have to put significantly more air under it so the ball is in the air longer. Which brings me back to the point, Zay wont have time to overthink the catch Edited May 2, 2018 by buffalover4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, mileena said: This is patently incorrect. Eric Moulds was living under Andre Reed's shadow his first two years. Barring injury, WR's are either a star their first year or not, unlike QB. Cases in point: Jerry Butler and Jerry Rice: http://www.nfl.com/player/jerrybutler/2510828/profile https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm Zay Jones is a bust, period. As said above, Marv didn't like playing young guys if he could afford not to. The Bills still had Andre at the end of his career and signed Quinn Early as a free agent to start opposite. Moulds was probably better than both of them early but rode the bench. Early was a major disappointment. It wasn't because Moulds took so long. He did run some bad routes and missed some assignments. But you could see the rare size, speed, skills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 43 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Zay had real problems tracking the ball in the air on passes downfield. Just godawful. People overstate how good he was in college. Most of his production came on screens and quick short passes. I don't think he had to track the ball much at ECU. It's a real concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: As said above, Marv didn't like playing young guys if he could afford not to. The Bills still had Andre at the end of his career and signed Quinn Early as a free agent to start opposite. Moulds was probably better than both of them early but rode the bench. Early was a major disappointment. It wasn't because Moulds took so long. He did run some bad routes and missed some assignments. But you could see the rare size, speed, skills True. I just said he was still living under Reed's shadow for the first two years, for whatever reason. In this case, as you said, Marv preferred more experienced players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Plus, I think for all athletes, confidence is a factor which is why there are streaks. When a guy struggles early-on, especially a young guy, it seems it can get in his head and carry on to the next play. This is a great point. Another poster pointed out that Zay started earlier than intended due to how thin the Bills were at the WR position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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