thebandit27 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't understand why Hue would declare Tyrod the starter for the year if he likes Rosen. Rosen would probably start right away. I still think Darnold or Allen are the pick. Whether he declared him the starter or not, you're absolutely right that it makes no sense to trade the 65th pick in the draft and pay the guy $16M to sit the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't understand why Hue would declare Tyrod the starter for the year if he likes Rosen. Rosen would probably start right away. I still think Darnold or Allen are the pick. He’s stupid 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, corta765 said: The problem here is if the Bills come out and say they are thrilled they got either and that was the plan it's BS. The problem for the Bills is you can't come out and say will we failed and had to take one of these two. It's a giant lose lose either way. Yep. what makes me even more pissed is that imo we will have a top 5 pick next year in a QB class that is freakin awful. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 So this only hurts the bills IF the giants are taking a QB. All indications (maybe misinformation, though) are the Giants are going to take Barkley if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Whether he declared him the starter or not, you're absolutely right that it makes no sense to trade the 65th pick in the draft and pay the guy $16M to sit the bench The more I think about it Allen actually makes the most sense for them based on the moves they've made. You don't trade pick 65 for a player you don't expect to start the whole year, QB or otherwise. Tyrod could conceivably be their starter for 2 years if they need him to. And I don't understand why they would have traded a high pick for him, plus a $16 million salary, unless they knew that was likely. As you know I think picking Allen would be a horrible move but if anyone can get away with it it's the Browns. They have a capable starting QB and plenty of other picks, and they can take Allen without giving anything up. So even if he busts as bad as I think he will it wouldn't be a disaster for them. They could give him 2 years on the bench which is what he needs. It makes sense based on everything else they've done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The more I think about it Allen actually makes the most sense for them based on the moves they've made. You don't trade pick 65 for a player you don't expect to start the whole year, QB or otherwise. Tyrod could conceivably be their starter for 2 years if they need him to. And I don't understand why they would have traded a high pick for him, plus a $16 million salary, unless they knew that was likely. As you know I think picking Allen would be a horrible move but if anyone can get away with it it's the Browns. They have a capable starting QB and plenty of other picks, and they can take Allen without giving anything up. So even if he busts as bad as I think he will it wouldn't be a disaster for them. They could give him 2 years on the bench which is what he needs. It makes sense based on everything else they've done. Indeed...from the moment they traded for Tyrod I've been thoroughly convinced that Allen was squarely in the conversation for them at 1. Nothing has changed for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Indeed...from the moment they traded for Tyrod I've been thoroughly convinced that Allen was squarely in the conversation for them at 1. Nothing has changed for me. Tyrod AND Stanton. When they signed Stanton I was like boom they are going for Allen. They don't want him to even worry about being the backup. He will have 2 yrs to develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 In what was a shocker to me as a "Darnold no matter" what guy Todd Haley, Ken Zampese, Hue Jackson, and Al Saunders (he's become a de facto QB scout) are united in the belief that Josh Rosen is their guy, clear cut by a wide margin. Throw in Scot and Dorsey - that is a lot of cooks in the kitchen! Like a ton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, corta765 said: The problem here is if the Bills come out and say they are thrilled they got either and that was the plan it's BS. The problem for the Bills is you can't come out and say will we failed and had to take one of these two. It's a giant lose lose either way. No matter what player a team drafts , you know they are going to say something of this sort afterward. Bottom line is who cares? Does it matter one iota what the Bills say about their new draft pick? They will make the same contrived statements every team does , and it has zero effect on if the player is actually any good. All that matters is if they can play. Can't say it's a win or lose until that is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, McBean said: Unfortunately, it’s time to seriously debate if taking Jackson or Rudolph at 12 is worth it. It's not, which is why Beane won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 33 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Tyrod AND Stanton. When they signed Stanton I was like boom they are going for Allen. They don't want him to even worry about being the backup. He will have 2 yrs to develop FWIW, here's Hue Jackson on the record about Josh Allen: "He has a cannon,'' Jackson said at the NFL meetings. "He threw a ball that hit a guy in the sternum and you could hear it go 'boom.' I mean, he can really throw a football. And when he does it all right from a biomechanics standpoint and his body being in line, everything, he throws it as pretty as I've seen.'' And when he's off-kilter? "People say it takes 7,000 reps to change those type of things, but you can,'' said Jackson. "He has a lot of work to do. One thing about the young man, he's a hard worker. He'll work at it.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Foxx said: Darnold fall to 12? bawahahahahahhaaaaaaa No silly, I said fall to them. That could mean fall to #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 it's hard for me to imagine that Ralph Wilson had a spycraft department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: Can you spell "dysfunctional?" LOL Disfunkshinul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I did some digging on this as Reddit is the other site I spend most of my time on and I hadn't come across this. This specific poster does not have a reputation as an inside source. On that site he is viewed as "throw stuff at the wall" and supposedly deletes things that are incorrect to make himself look better. The original post is from March 6th as well. I can't imagine things haven't changed in the month plus since then. So it is questionable info to start and also outdated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: FWIW, here's Hue Jackson on the record about Josh Allen: "He has a cannon,'' Jackson said at the NFL meetings. "He threw a ball that hit a guy in the sternum and you could hear it go 'boom.' I mean, he can really throw a football. And when he does it all right from a biomechanics standpoint and his body being in line, everything, he throws it as pretty as I've seen.'' And when he's off-kilter? "People say it takes 7,000 reps to change those type of things, but you can,'' said Jackson. "He has a lot of work to do. One thing about the young man, he's a hard worker. He'll work at it.' I still tend to believe they are going with Allen at #1. I think they view Allen as having the highest ceiling and are supremely overconfident in their abilities to guide him to reach it. Nothing has changed, our ability to get one of the top 4 is solely dependent on the Giants and Broncos plans and Cleveland's willingness to give up one of the "blue chip" position players. There's a very real scenario we are completely locked out as it stands and very real scenarios where a guy we are very happy with falls to a minimal price in a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 “You probably thought we were in the football discussion business, but we ain’t. We’re in the draft trolling business, and brother... Business is a-boomin’.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I don't understand why Hue would declare Tyrod the starter for the year if he likes Rosen. Rosen would probably start right away. I still think Darnold or Allen are the pick. Because the only thing holding Tyrod Taylor back was confidence from the Head Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Hey Guys, Check this Out... I thought this site has been BAD... I was wrong! Poor Cleveland... Ya Gotta Feel for their fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Thanks for posting OP. True or not, it's better than 99% of the threads we've endured over the last couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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