Peter King MMQB: 4/2/18.

[PIZ]

http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/04/01/josh-rosen-jim-mora-odell-beckham-trade-draft-mmqb-peter-king?__twitter_impression=true

[Roundybout]

Browns going Darnold at one and Barkley at four would really screw things up regarding trades.

[Logic]

Three interesting points in that article:

1.) The idea that the Browns will use picks 1 and 4 on Allen and Barkley.
2.) The idea that the Giants could trade Beckham for two 1sts and trade the Bills the 2nd overall pick, and in so doing, could have three picks in this year's 1st round and three picks in next year's 1st round. I would ABSOLUTELY do that if I were Dave Gettleman.
3.) The idea that Darnold is being overrated by fans and is actually no better than the 5th best QB, with even Lamar Jackson ahead of him! How crazy would it be if it DID go Allen, Rosen, Mayfield...and then the Bills were left to pick between Darnold and Jackson? And how high would they have to trade up to ensure one of them? Would they have to trade up at all? 

It's gonna be an interesting month.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Logic

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Three interesting points in that article:


3.) The idea that Darnold is being overrated by fans and is actually no better than the 5th best QB, with even Lamar Jackson ahead of him! 
 

I’ve been saying that all year.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

2.) The idea that the Giants could trade Beckham for two 1sts and trade the Bills the 2nd overall pick, and in so doing, could have three picks in this year's 1st round and three picks in next year's 1st round. I would ABSOLUTELY do that if I were Dave Gettleman.
 

Problem with that is that in a few years, the Giants will potentially have to deal with fifth-year options on six players in a two-year span.  There are worse problems, I guess, but it’s a consideration.

[HansLanda]

20 minutes ago, mannc said:

Problem with that is that in a few years, the Giants will potentially have to deal with fifth-year options on six players in a two-year span.  There are worse problems, I guess, but it’s a consideration.

 

That's if they all 'hit.'

 

Hedge your bet that three will be studs and three will be 'meh.'

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Tired of these mocks , just need to get the draft over with. The teams know what they want and how it's going to fall, time to get The show on the road.

 

 

[Buddo]

The comments about Darnold especially intrigued me, as they matched pretty exactly an assessment of someone on another board, who I believe has NFL experience as a scout or coach, where they say that Darnold is 'careless with the football'. And mean it in a bad way.

 

Due to size and arm, Darnold is probably only 2nd to Allen in 'upside', yet it could take a couple of years to get him productive at an NFL level. The only team that does have the absolute luxury of letting him sit that long, behind a proven starter, would be the Giants.

 

 

[PIZ]

The comments about the potential Bills Giants trade makes me wonder if it's a done deal, or close to a done deal.  Now the Bills are checking out Baker Mayfield to determine whether they really want to go to 2 for Rosen, or go to 6 for Mayfield.  Who knows?

[Buddo]

6 minutes ago, PIZ said:

The comments about the potential Bills Giants trade makes me wonder if it's a done deal, or close to a done deal.  Now the Bills are checking out Baker Mayfield to determine whether they really want to go to 2 for Rosen, or go to 6 for Mayfield.  Who knows?

 

I think that the reality is that Mayfield and Rosen, are the two guys who might start immediately. So you have to kind of pick your poison, if you intend to move up to #2

 

I'd guess that the difference between the two, is pretty marginal, so an awful lot of 'due dilignce' is getting done.

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Browns going Darnold at one and Barkley at four would really screw things up regarding trades.

Don’t you know the bills can never have nice things? ?

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Tired of these mocks , just need to get the draft over with. The teams know what they want and how it's going to fall, time to get The show on the road.

 

 

 

I was thinking I should start downloading them so I can look back after the draft.  You know they'll all be deleted before the draft.

[BigBuff423]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Tired of these mocks , just need to get the draft over with. The teams know what they want and how it's going to fall, time to get The show on the road.

 

 

 

It always seems to drag, but this year because of the Bills' draft picks and the obvious tension around the most important position in all of sports, this one seems like Christmas Eve when you were 5 and kept waking up hoping Santa had delivered your gifts and you could wake everyone up.....(hopefully for us, not to find a huge box.....of socks).

[auburnbillsbacker]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

It always seems to drag, but this year because of the Bills' draft picks and the obvious tension around the most important position in all of sports, this one seems like Christmas Eve when you were 5 and kept waking up hoping Santa had delivered your gifts and you could wake everyone up.....(hopefully for us, not to find a huge box.....of socks).

You would think with the Bills having  2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks, and 3 3rd round picks this draft would create optimism, but if we miss our QB there will be a lot of disappointment in Western NY.   

Edited April 2, 2018 by auburnbillsbacker

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

I was thinking I should start downloading them so I can look back after the draft.  You know they'll all be deleted before the draft.

Screen shots work too;)

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

8 hours ago, PIZ said:

http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/04/01/josh-rosen-jim-mora-odell-beckham-trade-draft-mmqb-peter-king?__twitter_impression=true

 

This is not the first time hearing that Josh Rosen really needs to go to a team with some sound, intellectual Offensive Minds.

 

Which unfortunately does not seem like Buffalo at all.

 

McDermott seems like your standard Defensive Minded coach who is like a a pig in **** if his teams with 13-7 every week.

 

Dabol History and word out of OBD seems more running, running, running.

 

You know who Rosen should go to?  Sean Payton and the Saints and sit behind Brees for 2 seasons.  Payton would challenge Rosen and that to me seems like the perfect fit.

[BigBuff423]

Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

This is not the first time hearing that Josh Rosen really needs to go to a team with some sound, intellectual Offensive Minds.

 

Which unfortunately does not seem like Buffalo at all.

 

McDermott seems like your standard Defensive Minded coach who is like a a pig in **** if his teams with 13-7 every week.

 

Dabol History and word out of OBD seems more running, running, running.

 

You know who Rosen should go to?  Sean Payton and the Saints and sit behind Brees for 2 seasons.  Payton would challenge Rosen and that to me seems like the perfect fit.

 

Your pessimism is astounding. In a year where the Bills overachieved, ended the drought, have Draft capital unlike we've seen in many years, and one of the most accomplished Front Offices in all of the NFL, you seem to want to dump all over the parade. Why? No, seriously...why? Do you feel smarter for insinuating that McD and his staff are unable to coach a cerebral QB? 

 

If you're suggesting that last year's Offense is somehow indicative of what is projected to be this year's Offense, did you miss the dismissal of their Offensive Coordinator? Did you understand that Dabol runs a similar system to the Patriots and Louisville? Do you understand philosophies can change based on the talent and players they have on their team? McD played a conservative Offense mainly because he was forced to and of course, yeah the QB couldn't well, you know...QB. So, running and keeping the score low so his Defense could try and create turnovers and play the field position game was the best chance at winning. 

 

Presuming the Bills take any of the top 5 QBs, and they're able to help their QB with a better outside WR, and get a good MLB, there's no reason to think the Bills can't be good next year. Will they be? Who knows...but presuming McD is fine with running the ball and playing Defense, is a huge stretch of logic that buys you a bridge to nowhere.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

Problem with that is that in a few years, the Giants will potentially have to deal with fifth-year options on six players in a two-year span.  There are worse problems, I guess, but it’s a consideration.

 

You can keep moving picks though (move up, move down, move out of the first etc)

[Royale with Cheese]

24 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

This is not the first time hearing that Josh Rosen really needs to go to a team with some sound, intellectual Offensive Minds.

 

Which unfortunately does not seem like Buffalo at all.

 

McDermott seems like your standard Defensive Minded coach who is like a a pig in **** if his teams with 13-7 every week.

 

Dabol History and word out of OBD seems more running, running, running.

 

You know who Rosen should go to?  Sean Payton and the Saints and sit behind Brees for 2 seasons.  Payton would challenge Rosen and that to me seems like the perfect fit.

 

I really don't think McDermott is satisfied with a 13-7 victory when he specifically stated last year that scoring points was concerning.

Dabol hasn't had a QB to work with so he may have been forced to run more because he was limited in the passing game.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Every time Jim Mora Jr. opens his mouth he removes all doubt!

 

 

 

 

He is an a-hole of the first order