Did Mills sabotage Peterman's start due to his anger over TT benching?

[xRUSHx]

20 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

sorry, not to pick on you but as one of the loudest tyrod detractors on this board it doesn't surprise me that now he's gone rather than just post that he's moved on, no longer here, you instead add the above comment that frankly, looks pretty childish. 

 

I'm glad he's gone, looking forward to the new stable of QBs going forward.

 

time to move on.

Been a while so yes I thought I would add to it in hopes this all ends sooner then later. I have moved on and am much happier now. IMO when the bashing of Peterman and the excuses for Tyrod fly I just can not help myself I guess. Enjoy your day man I sure am.

 

I thought it was funny.

Edited March 27, 2018 by xRUSHx

[Sky Diver]

3 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

Thanks man.  I feel like I'm trying to ice skate uphill defending Peterman.  I know that plenty of this criticism is warranted, and even can see where skepticism also has some merit.  But some of it is like wow.  It has been so harsh at times it even made ME forget last year was his rookie year, and that he was a 5th round pick, and not a top 5 first rounder.

 

You also make a great point in that all rookies will have at least one stinker game.  Can we even take it a step further and say all QB'S PERIOD will have at least one stinker game?  Probably more than one?

 

MOST INT'S THROWN, SINGLE GAME:

P Manning-6

B Favre-6

J Elway-5

D Marino-5

K Warner-5

T Aikman-5

D Brees-5

E Manning-5

M Stafford-5

J Flacco-5

B Roethlisberger-5

M Ryan-5

R Wilson-5

N Peterman-5 (yes I know it was in a half)

 

So you see, Peterman is in some elite company.  All jokes aside, I only put that list down to show even the best, at some point are gonna stink it up.  Didn't we pick off Rodgers like 3 or 4 times in a half several years ago?

 

The kid stunk it up.  Absolutely.  In a half of football.  There it is, no excuses.  But I say again, if you are able to watch one half of football, and are able to make as bold an assumption as to say that a player has ZERO chance of being successful in this league, then my hat's off to you.  I will respectfully disagree, and say that not only do I still believe Peterman has a chance to be successful in this league, I still believe he has a chance to be a starter someday.  Whether or not it's with the Bills remains to be seen, especially depending on what we do in the draft.  But that's just my humble opinion.  I've eaten plenty of crow here at TBD, and have no problems eating a big ol serving again if I'm wrong.  But as long as he's a Buffalo Bill, he'll have my full support.

 

There is a very valid excuse. The OL was terrible and gave him no protection.

[Alphadawg7]

10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

And some people want to put the fragile, injury prone, statuesque Rosen behind this line.

 

I wont hate getting a top QB prospect like Rosen, however, I have real concerns about drafting him and REALLY do NOT want to give up a fortune to get Rosen.  His "Bradford" like durability combined with his Cutler-eque likability, personality, and leadership makes him way to risky IMO to go spend a bunch of assets on.  A guy who has the potential to be a less durable Cutler is not a guy I give up a lot to go get.  

 

I would actually prefer we get Baker, Allen, or Lamar over Rosen.  In fact, my current board is as follows:  Baker, Darnold, Lamar, Allen, Rosen, Mason.  Lamar and Allen are pretty interchangeable for me...2 completely different type of prospects, but both have IMMENSE upside but a lower floor than Baker and Darnold.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

12 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

And some people want to put the fragile, injury prone, statuesque Rosen behind this line.

 

I'm hoping he's not the pick either. how many more concussions put his (possible) career in jeopardy?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

So you see, Peterman is in some elite company.  All jokes aside, I only put that list down to show even the best, at some point are gonna stink it up.  Didn't we pick off Rodgers like 3 or 4 times in a half several years ago?

 

The kid stunk it up.  Absolutely.  In a half of football.  There it is, no excuses.  But I say again, if you are able to watch one half of football, and are able to make as bold an assumption as to say that a player has ZERO chance of being successful in this league, then my hat's off to you.  I will respectfully disagree, and say that not only do I still believe Peterman has a chance to be successful in this league, I still believe he has a chance to be a starter someday.  Whether or not it's with the Bills remains to be seen, especially depending on what we do in the draft.  But that's just my humble opinion.  I've eaten plenty of crow here at TBD, and have no problems eating a big ol serving again if I'm wrong.  But as long as he's a Buffalo Bill, he'll have my full support.

You missed the worst of the worst 

 

The NFL record for passes intercepted in a single game is 8 thrown by Chicago Cardinals QB Jim Hardy in a game against the Philadelphia Eagles in 1950

 

Steve DeBerg	7	TAM	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. San Francisco 49ers, September 7, 1986
Ty Detmer	7	DET	Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns, September 23, 2001
Glenn Dobbs	7	LAD	Los Angeles Dons vs. San Francisco 49ers, December 5, 1948
Zeke Bratkowski	7	CHI	Chicago Bears vs. Baltimore Colts, October 2, 1960
Ken Stabler+	7	OAK	Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos, October 16, 1977
Tommy Wade	7	PIT	Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Philadelphia Eagles, December 12, 1965

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, kdiggz said:

He must have also been mad about Tyrod playing because he was a turnstile in the other 15 games as well

 

Right?  What was his excuse in the Jets game?

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand the decision. The staff wasn't sold on TT, evident by the restructure. The 2 previous games (2nd Jets & Saints iirc) were putrid performances by Taylor, but not Taylor alone. Both offensive and defensive lines were being pushed around like shopping carts all day, and the defense went from giving up yards but limiting points, to giving up yards and tons of points. There were plenty of people to point fingers at...

 

But I'm not as focused on the decision to bench him and start NP, like the media was, and how the results could have kept the Bills out of the playoffs. The Bills needed to know what they might have in Peterman, with extra draft picks to utilize in the upcoming draft that could be used for a QB. It sent a message to Taylor, and he seemed to respond positively after Peterman was beched after the first half.  

 

My beef was more with how the coaches called that game with Peterman. You don't start a rookie QB and call the game as if he's a 5 year vet. Lean on the run, utilize draws to help negate the effectiveness of their DEs, and give him easier throws out of play action. Maybe that wouldn't have resulted in a win, but it would have allowed NP to settle down, and the game probably would have been much closer than it turned out to be. It was foolish, but McDermott was a rookie HC after all, and expecting him to not make any rookie mistakes is foolish as well. I'm sure that he learned from it.

 

Btw, autocorrect on my phone is annoying. How the hell did "utilize" become "Ulrike" or whatever it was?

 

The problem is that was what we were doing all year and everyone was keyed in on it.  

[smuvtalker]

6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

There is a very valid excuse. The OL was terrible and gave him no protection.

They really didn't.   Alpha makes some very valid points in regard to Tyrod's mobility severely limiting the OL's pass blocking deficiencies, points that I really hadn't thought about until he brought them up, and I REALLY do hope that McBeane has seen this too and addresses the line in the draft. I'd love to see RT addressed by rd 3 and RG by 4.  I still want Miller to be given another chance because he did show flashes of dominance his rookie year, and last year it felt like he got a raw deal from McDermott due to McD's crush on Ducasse.

22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

You missed the worst of the worst 

 

The NFL record for passes intercepted in a single game is 8 thrown by Chicago Cardinals QB Jim Hardy in a game against the Philadelphia Eagles in 1950

 

Steve DeBerg	7	TAM	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. San Francisco 49ers, September 7, 1986
Ty Detmer	7	DET	Detroit Lions vs. Cleveland Browns, September 23, 2001
Glenn Dobbs	7	LAD	Los Angeles Dons vs. San Francisco 49ers, December 5, 1948
Zeke Bratkowski	7	CHI	Chicago Bears vs. Baltimore Colts, October 2, 1960
Ken Stabler+	7	OAK	Oakland Raiders vs. Denver Broncos, October 16, 1977
Tommy Wade	7	PIT	Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Philadelphia Eagles, December 12, 1965

Oh I saw all of those.  I just wanted to list the HOF'ers, and 'Elite' QB's still active to show even the very best stink it up.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Ken Stabler and Steve DeBerg may not be Hof'ers but they are well known QB's  even Pro Bowlers 

[Bad Things]

How did he play once Tyrod got into the game?

 

Was he still a turnstile, or did his game improve?

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

5 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

The problem is that was what we were doing all year and everyone was keyed in on it.  

 

Yet the Bills had won more games than they lost. And honestly, I don't remember seeing too many draws last year.

 

My point was that, when you start a rookie QB for the first time, typically you run a very basic, limited offense. You don't "get cute", and try to fool the defense by doing things that don't make sense, just to hopefully take advantage of the element of surprise. Granted, the element of surprise is necessary in all games, but that's what draws and play action are for. You get that element, without putting your QB in a position that has not yet comfortable in. You get hesitation from defenders with the draw, and defenders out of place with play action, creating good separation (something that lacked severely in general from the WRs last year anyways). 

 

Peterman may have failed, but the game plan and play calls put him in a position to fail. 

 

Actually (IIRC), the opening drive of the game was very run oriented, and the Bills scored. Maybe my memory is off, but I feel like I liked what I saw at the time, to start the game. Then they got away from that, and the Bills fell off a cliff. (edit: I must have been confused with a different game. That wasn't the start to the Chargers game).

 

 

Edited March 27, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat

[John from Riverside]

Sounds a bit far fetched

 

Im gonna go with Nate just wasnt ready for the moment

[Fadingpain]

6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Right after the game Bosa had said publicly "It was like he wasn't even trying to block me" 

Joey Bosa Mic'd up: "He didn't block me.. he literally didn't block me"

http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/11/21/micd-up-joey-bosa-bills-literally-didnt-block-me-video/

 

Just ask Chargers DE Joey Bosa. He was in Nathan Peterson’s face on every single one of his five interceptions, and he was also mic’d up. After one of Peterson’s interceptions, Bosa told somebody on the Chargers sideline, “He didn’t block me. He didn’t block me. Yeah, he literally didn’t block me.”

 

Five interceptions is pretty terrible. But so is letting a defensive end run straight at your quarterback on every snap.

 

Hell, if I was a conspiracy theorist—and I’m not—I might even wonder if the o-line let Bosa run wild on purpose because they were mad Tyrod Taylor got benched.

see above

 expected no different from the NateHater  

Was it really? 

In hindsight it did light a fire under TT as he played better in the next 3 games, but the fire burned out soon after.

 

I am not making excuses,  I just provided data to support the OP 

Thanks for posting the "MIC'D UP" feature on Bosa.

 

That is what I had remembered.

 

Though in fairness, Mills appeared to TRY to block Bosa on the preceding play.

 

He just looks like a fat lard ass who can't move laterally quickly enough to get in the way of an athletic guy like Bosa, and in a situation like that, if you are going to get beat, you're going to beat really fast and the defender is going to be past you very quickly.

 

90% of pass blocking at that level is the ability to be agile, quick, and move laterally fast, keeping your weight over your feet and balanced, even though you are a giant mountain of a man.  A lot of guys that size just can't do it.

 

 

 

 

[smuvtalker]

38 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Ken Stabler and Steve DeBerg may not be Hof'ers but they are well known QB's  even Pro Bowlers 

Indeed they are.  Heck I wouldve thought Stabler was in.  Deberg was a solid, consistent QB who in my opinion was never AMAZING, but was never bad...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Thanks for posting the "MIC'D UP" feature on Bosa.

 

That is what I had remembered.

 

Though in fairness, Mills appeared to TRY to block Bosa on the preceding play.

 

He just looks like a fat lard ass who can't move laterally quickly enough to get in the way of an athletic guy like Bosa, and in a situation like that, if you are going to get beat, you're going to beat really fast and the defender is going to be past you very quickly.

 

90% of pass blocking at that level is the ability to be agile, quick, and move laterally fast, keeping your weight over your feet and balanced, even though you are a giant mountain of a man.  A lot of guys that size just can't do it.

 

No problem.     there is much and more to this story.

 

The Chargers were extra motivated and "felt insulted" that McDermott was playing the rookie while still in the heat of a playoff push.  A Lynn also wanted to prove the Bills made a mistake in overlooking him.  

 

 

Just now, smuvtalker said:

Indeed they are.  Heck I wouldve thought Stabler was in.  Deberg was a solid, consistent QB who in my opinion was never AMAZING, but was never bad...

Deberg's biggest knock was that he was an INT machine.    I'm trying to remember ...  I think he lead the league in INTs for a number of years 

[smuvtalker]

27 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

Yet the Bills had won more games than they lost. And honestly, I don't remember seeing too many draws last year.

 

My point was that, when you start a rookie QB for the first time, typically you run a very basic, limited offense. You don't "get cute", and try to fool the defense by doing things that don't make sense, just to hopefully take advantage of the element of surprise. Granted, the element of surprise is necessary in all games, but that's what draws and play action are for. You get that element, without putting your QB in a position that has not yet comfortable in. You get hesitation from defenders with the draw, and defenders out of place with play action, creating good separation (something that lacked severely in general from the WRs last year anyways). 

 

Peterman may have failed, but the game plan and play calls put him in a position to fail. 

 

Actually (IIRC), the opening drive of the game was very run oriented, and the Bills scored. Maybe my memory is off, but I feel like I liked what I saw at the time, to start the game. Then they got away from that, and the Bills fell off a cliff.

This. X 1000.  Very well explained.  As close to point blank facts as one can get.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, smuvtalker said:

This. X 1000.  Very well explained.  As close to point blank facts as one can get.

As close to fact? It's a fairy tale. Peterman threw a pick 6 on the first series.

[Elite Poster]

Peterman is the worst QB on the Bills roster and he was the worst QB on the roster last year as well. 

 

[smuvtalker]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

No problem.     there is much and more to this story.

 

The Chargers were extra motivated and "felt insulted" that McDermott was playing the rookie while still in the heat of a playoff push.  A Lynn also wanted to prove the Bills made a mistake in overlooking him.  

 

 

Deberg's biggest knock was that he was an INT machine.    I'm trying to remember ...  I think he lead the league in INTs for a number of years 

Woww...I just looked at his stats....out of a 20 year career, he threw more touchdowns than interceptions......6 FREAKIN TIMES!!! 

 

That's horrendous!

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

So answer this. What QB could've done good that game?

 

The pocket was collapsing on both sides in one second on most plays and tell me a single play where you saw even one receiver who didn't have a DB right on his back. Like I said, even Tom Brady would've had a brutal game.

 

The fascination with Peterman is his ability to scan the field and he's pretty accurate. It's easy to see that in every other game he's played. I also watched him a lot in college and he was impressive a lot of games. He also has a lot of experience playing in a pro style offense.

 

Well then,  our QB problem is solved.  Just give Peterman a season to prove his worth.   No need for people to argue over giving up a king's ransom in draft picks just to select yet another prospect.