BullBuchanan Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) With all the talk of the draft, I'm curious where everyone thinks the strategy is for the team over the next season and beyond. Personally, I think McBeane realizes that they bought some serious time by breaking the curse last year. I'd definitely agree that even if they had a completely putrid season, their jobs would be stone cold locks for 2019. Last year the goal was to be competitive and start to figure out who they could build around and who they couldn't. Making the playoffs was an icing on the cake I don't think any of them saw coming. This year I think it's going to be a lot of the same, with the difference being that the entire focus is on finding out who can be their quarterback. If someone doesn't take the job by storm, I could see all 3 of them getting a crack at some point. I think these guys realize that assuming they find a guy with some promise by the end of the year, they'll still need 1-2 more years to assemble an Eagles/Patriots/Rams/Vikings/etc quantity/quality of talent that's capable of making a legitimate push. Given our projected $100M in cap next year, I'm completely ok with that. I think in order to compete at that level during the time frame in which it's likely to happen, we'll need to obtain some key pieces that are going to have to be tier 1 stars or at least very good players at TE, RB, DE, MLB and of course QB. The better the QB, the less pressure will exist on the rest of the team. I think inside their head playoffs are a "nice to have" this year, while finding that QB and a couple of those other pieces is the primary concern. Edited March 22, 2018 by BullBuchanan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 B+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I believe that now that they have made the playoffs in the first year, the focus becomes advancing further in the playoffs until eventually we win a SB. If they can continue to build the roster while still making it a bit further in the playoffs each year, then this will be the criteria for success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Beane's Goals: Win Championships Fornacate with females Get ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Despite the hysterics from some of the boards ninny's, both McD and Beane's future is a certainty for the next 2 seasons, unless somehow there is a full blown mutiny from the team, which judging from the players view of McD that would be highly unlikely. They respect the man and have totally bought into the "process". Beane has stated his main job is to find the team a franchise QB, I suspect he will do everything he REASONABLY can to address that this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I honestly could care less about the curse, I'm more concerned with adding talent and a QB and making a real playoff push. I like McCarron a lot but I want competition at the QB position with blue chip talent. The question i ask myself is which rookie QB in the 2018 draft has a shot at beating out McCarron for the starting job. I think only 3 QB's from this draft have a chance to beat out McCarron for the starting job, 1. Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen. Step 1 find your QB Step 2 protect your QB Step 3 get your QB offensive weapons Step 4 pay four key players at each level of the defense DE, LB, CB and FS and fill in the rest of the defense with mid level FA and draft picks and let McD and Frazier coach them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Magox said: Despite the hysterics from some of the boards ninny's, both McD and Beane's future is a certainty for the next 2 seasons, unless somehow there is a full blown mutiny from the team, which judging from the players view of McD that would be highly unlikely. They respect the man and have totally bought into the "process". Beane has stated his main job is to find the team a franchise QB, I suspect he will do everything he REASONABLY can to address that this year. Exactly. Until the QB situation is finalized (one way or the other) everything will remain in flux. With the exception of Star and Trent almost all of FA has been short term patches that Beane will hope a few hit. No one knows what picks the Bill's will have this year so nothing can be locked down. As it is the Holes that need filling (in some sort of priority) are: QB ILB - FA priority? CB-3rd (Nickel) WR OT-Swing (RT-Start / LT Back Up) DE G/C IMO if we move up for QB there is no room to pick RB, TE, OLB, S, DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Good post. I think they are two directions they are heading based off what they can or cannot do in the draft. Either way they want to create a roster that can be a contender year in year out it just comes down to one of these two things: 1. They can trade up to #2 so they can grab Rosen who it seems is their eye (I could be wrong). From there I think they are willing to take their lumps because like you said they made the playoffs so the pressure is back. They have upwards of 90 million in cap space in 2019 so let the rookie get through a year and build like hell around him with that cap space. From there 2019 hopefully is the big year where you are going for the division crown and hopefully just maybe one of Brady and BB might be gone. This is my preferred scenario because once you have the QB you have the plan set and the cap space to be aggressive in the correct way long term. 2. They cannot move up in the draft due to unwillingness of teams to move out so they build the roster instead and grab perhaps a guy like Mason Rudolph, Kyle Lualetta, Mike White etc.. by moving back into the first or early 2nd round. This is similar to what Minnesota did where they added a ton of talent all over and drafted a guy like Teddy B late and just hoped he didn't wreck the ship without much pressure. For example adding 1st rnd: LB Tremaine Edwards VA Tech, C James Daniel Iowa, QB Mason Rudolph (trade up) 2nd Rnd: WR James Washington 3rd: RB Nick Chubb UGA, & OL Orlando Brown OKL (for example I used a mock draft engine not saying this is who I want either) would be the potential of 2-3 starters plus good depth guys for this season. The team potentially could compete better then the one above with Rosen given the holes filled for the upcoming season but the QB would be a far greater question mark then with Rosen who you know would be your lock long term for better or worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said: Beane's Goals: Win Championships Fornacate with females Get ? I thought it was crush his enemies see them driven before him hear the lamentation of their women 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Goal#1 Build the team Goal#2 Make the fans realize they have no clue and all the moves he makes that we dont like because we all had specific wants dont happen but the team is better for it. Goal#3 Championship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I dont buy all this "well they bought themselves some time so they can suck this year" stuff We need to biuld on last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said: Beane's Goals: Win Championships Fornacate with females Get ? 22 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I thought it was crush his enemies see them driven before him hear the lamentation of their women I thought it was first you get the money then you get the power THEN you get the weeemon 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: Personally, I think McBeane realizes that they bought some serious time by breaking the curse last year. I'd definitely agree that even if they had a completely putrid season, their jobs would be stone cold locks for 2019. Last year the goal was to be competitive and start to figure out who they could build around and who they couldn't. Making the playoffs was an icing on the cake I don't think any of them saw coming. Who are you agreeing with? You were the first person to post. Do you have split personalities? Are you agreeing with yourself? 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: I think inside their head playoffs are a "nice to have" this year, while finding that QB and a couple of those other pieces is the primary concern. If their goal for the upcoming season isn't to win the Superbowl, then fire them now and hire someone who is going to try to win the Superbowl. I don't buy into the mindset of "waiting till your team is better" to try to win a Superbowl. Total nonsense and total B.S. You play to win every game regardless of what players you have on the team. The mindset you are portraying here is that of a person who thinks losing is acceptable. It's only acceptable when you have exhausted every resource and left every ounce of effort on the field. If that wasn't good enough, so be it. It certainly is not acceptable heading into a season before you have even played a game. Finding a QB this year isn't good enough. Not finding a QB is unacceptable and will get them fired in a couple years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) ....I'd bet he is currently working with 2018 AND 2019 windows.........some of my speculative opinions are that he created more latitude by widening the gap between picks, 12 and 22, versus 21 and 22.....back to back leaves him 15 minutes on the clock to deal...for now, he stays put at 12 and 22, as things unfold (doubt he intends to move up).....he has Plans A and 1-A for QB's on his radar at 12...if one or both are available, he choses...if not, he may go OL/DL or DL/OL (maybe LB?) depending on preference and looks to 22 for his QB Plan B, perhaps the Rudolph guy........if his guy(s) are gone at 12 and his Board has no one else valued at 12, he may trade it for a late 1st and a 2nd, but still takes Rudolph (some advocate Jackson)...... he could still go OL/DL or DL/OL with the 1sts, gamble that Rudolph is there in the 2nd (IF that is his eventual guy) OR look QB later in the 2nd+ for Falk, Lauletta, White, etc....his 2019 window is probably looking at potential draftees as well as UFA's in a year when he'll have $85+ mil in FA dollars to spend...other than Star contract, he hasn't done much long term with FA dollars which could be a bigger year for REASONABLE signings......just don't see him as a major investor of draft capital in ONE player and he certainly has not been a major investor in FA capital in ONE player (Star possible exception)....probably a DEAD WRONG read, but I don't see McBeane/McD/McDaboll in the same discussion as "Ditka whole draft for Ricky", "Boy Danny Snyder's King's Ransom for RG II 5/8" or "Vikes Boatload For Herschel"......but what the hell do I know?........... Edited March 22, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 hours ago, PolishDave said: Who are you agreeing with? You were the first person to post. Do you have split personalities? Are you agreeing with yourself? If their goal for the upcoming season isn't to win the Superbowl, then fire them now and hire someone who is going to try to win the Superbowl. I don't buy into the mindset of "waiting till your team is better" to try to win a Superbowl. Total nonsense and total B.S. You play to win every game regardless of what players you have on the team. The mindset you are portraying here is that of a person who thinks losing is acceptable. It's only acceptable when you have exhausted every resource and left every ounce of effort on the field. If that wasn't good enough, so be it. It certainly is not acceptable heading into a season before you have even played a game. Finding a QB this year isn't good enough. Not finding a QB is unacceptable and will get them fired in a couple years. I take it reading comprehension is not your strong suit? I'm agreeing with their hypothetical assessment that they've bought some time. If you honestly think that every manager is trying to shoot the moon with every staff they have at all times, I'd love to know what else is in that head. They'll say they're trying to win a championship, but that's cliche nonsense. A rookie QB has never done it, and this team has a lot that needs to improve to compete with the modern NFL where every championship team is built like the yankees of old. Losing is acceptable when winning isn't the goal. 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....I'd bet he is currently working with 2018 AND 2019 windows.........some of my speculative opinions are that he created more latitude by widening the gap between picks, 12 and 22, versus 21 and 22.....back to back leaves him 15 minutes on the clock to deal...for now, he stays put at 12 and 22, as things unfold (doubt he intends to move up).....he has Plans A and 1-A for QB's on his radar at 12...if one or both are available, he choses...if not, he may go OL/DL or DL/OL (maybe LB?) depending on preference and looks to 22 for his QB Plan B, perhaps the Rudolph guy........if his guy(s) are gone at 12 and his Board has no one else valued at 12, he may trade it for a late 1st and a 2nd, but still takes Rudolph (some advocate Jackson)...... he could still go OL/DL or DL/OL with the 1sts, gamble that Rudolph is there in the 2nd (IF that is his eventual guy) OR look QB later in the 2nd+ for Falk, Lauletta, White, etc....his 2019 window is probably looking at potential draftees as well as UFA's in a year when he'll have $85+ mil in FA dollars to spend...other than Star contract, he hasn't done much long term with FA dollars which could be a bigger year for REASONABLE signings......just don't see him as a major investor of draft capital in ONE player and he certainly has not been a major investor in FA capital in ONE player (Star possible exception)....probably a DEAD WRONG read, but I don't see McBeane/McD/McDaboll in the same discussion as "Ditka whole draft for Ricky", "Boy Danny Snyder's King's Ransom for RG II 5/8" or "Vikes Boatload For Herschel"......but what the hell do I know?........... I tend to agree with this, though I think if Rudolph is there at #22 he has to take him. I'd rather they do that then sell the farm for their 3rd choice, or Allen at any pick. I think we're looking at the beginning of a 2-3 year plan, which is a world in which Hughes, McCoy, Williams, Incognito, and maybe Benjamin are no longer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Build a winning team Get value on FA. check Draft well. TBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Does anyone honestly think McDermott or Beane are worried about what they need to do to keep their job? That’s a total loser mentality. They want to win. They expect to win. Competitive self respecting alpha males aren’t sitting around trying to figure out how much losing they can get away with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: With all the talk of the draft, I'm curious where everyone thinks the strategy is for the team over the next season and beyond. Personally, I think McBeane realizes that they bought some serious time by breaking the curse last year. I'd definitely agree that even if they had a completely putrid season, their jobs would be stone cold locks for 2019. Last year the goal was to be competitive and start to figure out who they could build around and who they couldn't. Making the playoffs was an icing on the cake I don't think any of them saw coming. This year I think it's going to be a lot of the same, with the difference being that the entire focus is on finding out who can be their quarterback. If someone doesn't take the job by storm, I could see all 3 of them getting a crack at some point. I think these guys realize that assuming they find a guy with some promise by the end of the year, they'll still need 1-2 more years to assemble an Eagles/Patriots/Rams/Vikings/etc quantity/quality of talent that's capable of making a legitimate push. Given our projected $100M in cap next year, I'm completely ok with that. I think in order to compete at that level during the time frame in which it's likely to happen, we'll need to obtain some key pieces that are going to have to be tier 1 stars or at least very good players at TE, RB, DE, MLB and of course QB. The better the QB, the less pressure will exist on the rest of the team. I think inside their head playoffs are a "nice to have" this year, while finding that QB and a couple of those other pieces is the primary concern. I think he wants stability in every area,which means depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Draft the right QB and you're set for 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Hey 1st year we got a wild card birth so IMO I think they are locked in for 2018 and 2019 now but after that it could be the end for them or it could be the next step. IMO the QB will either make or break them and this draft will define those two years end result. Since it is looking more and more like they will be drafting a big project QB to sit around with the other big project I think if they don't hit another wild card in 2018 it will make 2019 a Chan G type ending. The 2019 draft has nothing for QBs that the Bills will be able to get let alone want. No team is going to get rid of any QB worth thinking they are franchise worthy so 2019 will be real tough for them since either they go all in on one of the 2 later round projects on the bench or stay with McC. If McC plays like Cinci's backup still IMO fans will be ready to move on to a new staff for 2020 that will hold QB in a higher regard.( We all expected this staff to hold QB in a higher regard and so far we had Rex QB and a late rounder year one and now we have another backup QB, late round Peterman and more then likely another late round QB) IMO this draft will either buy them time or will make that 2019 season very tough for them to get over the 3 year hump. Without this staff getting a real good talent at QB this year IMO will make them go down the drain pretty fast. IMO fans are sick of always using other teams backups as starters so the leash they are on will end up a short one fast. That could be fixed with drafting a top talent at QB this year that can give them new life in 2019 and another 3 seasons but sadly at pick 12 it is looking like they will be drafting a much later QB like Peterman and that's dangerous Chan G area of thinking a backup QB can do enough IMO . Sure they got lucky with a backup like Tyrod year one but let's not forget without Dalton we would have never got that wild card and year one would have been the same old type of playoffless season. IMO fans will know this staffs fate as soon as round one is done, to QB or not to QB is the question that will give most of the answers what 2019 will be IMO. #1 goal should be for 2018, get one of the top QBs because without one ready for 2019 this staff could be dead man walking. Edited March 23, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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