Coach Tuesday Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Plenty of mocks to go around, but Breer is especially plugged in around the league - and he specifically says that he showed the mock to league execs and "didn't get much pushback." The Josh Allen rumors aren't going away and are either part of an elaborate smokescreen, or... https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-bills-trade-giants-josh-allen-broncos-trade-browns-baker-mayfield 2. Buffalo (projected trade with N.Y. Giants): Josh Allen, QB, WyomingThe Bills have done a nice job building capital for a bold swing. This is one. Allen’s potential is limitless, and his big frame and arm are made for Buffalo, though he has a ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Barf. Allen is terrible. Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If I had to "accept" Allen at 12 then I'd be OK so long as we got Vander Esch or Raashan Evans at MLB. But if we give away the capital that it is being reported we will have to give up to move to #2 and select Allen this will be the most disappointing offseason in I don't know when. We would have gone from being on a high of breaking the 17 year curse to THIS. Ughhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Beane doesn't have the guts to go to 2, he's drunk on his draft capital. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Yikes... I just can’t see the Bills not taking Rosen if he’s there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: If I had to "accept" Allen at 12 then I'd be OK so long as we got Vander Esch or Raashan Evans at MLB. But if we give away the capital that it is being reported we will have to give up to move to #2 and select Allen this will be the most disappointing offseason in I don't know when. We would have gone from being on a high of breaking the 17 year curse to THIS. Ughhhhh Agreed. You don't trade the farm for a guy with major accuracy issues just because he can throw a football 80 yards. Allen is a long shot of being successful. Rosen, Darnold and Rosen all have significantly higher floors and almost as much upside. Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Beane trades everything for the pick, Yes! Then he takes Allen. NOOOOOOOO! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, DFT said: Yikes... I just can’t see the Bills not taking Rosen if he’s there. Rosen is a bust. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. You don't trade the farm for a guy with major accuracy issues just because he can throw a football 80 yards. Allen is a long shot of being successful. Rosen, Darnold and Rosen all have significantly higher floors and almost as much upside. This is the #1 reason we need a dome so Bills GMs would stop worrying about arm strength so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Terrible mock. He doesn't have Mason Rudolph in the first! He knows nothing. Anyway, I'm am starting to feel like the Giants could want Barkley. If he is there at two they won't trade out. If the Browns take him at one, they will trade out. Breer mentions that the Giants love Barkley and Nelson. This is all contingent on the Giants not wanting a quarterback, but I think we we could have standing offers for the 2 and 4 picks. If the Browns go QB and the Giants get Barkley, the Browns probably trade us 4. If the Browns take Barkley, the Giants maybe trade out with us, and the Browns get a quarterback at 4. I think it is all contingent on if Barkley is available. Either way we would be guaranteed 1 of Allen, Darnold, Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Tired s hearing about draft ‘capital’. Whatever happen to the good ole draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, Tatonka68 said: Rosen is a bust. Your use of data analytics, sound visceral scouting wisdom and the collage of fact-driven content has all but sold me. Thank you for all you do! Rosen WILL bust! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, DFT said: Yikes... I just can’t see the Bills not taking Rosen if he’s there. Why cause one guy one time on the internet said the Bills had interest? Rosen is terrible and certainly doesn't fit what the Bills are trying to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Barf. Allen is terrible. If Allen was Canadian, would it be ok to trade up for him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, greeneblitz said: Why cause one guy one time on the internet said the Bills had interest? Rosen is terrible and certainly doesn't fit what the Bills are trying to build. Yep. You got me. That was it. I went all in on that one guy. He seemed like such a good guy. He’s taller in person too. Seemed to know his stuff and was very well-rounded about Rosen. Yep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm going to watch as much tape on Allen as possible to try and see if there is anything between the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 22. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford 53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St 56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa 65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama 96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St 121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State 166. Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama 187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss 4 minutes ago, DFT said: Your use of data analytics, sound visceral scouting wisdom and the collage of fact-driven content has all but sold me. Thank you for all you do! Rosen WILL bust! Nothing wrong with his head or arm it's his heart. He is a tennis player wearings a football helmet. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: If Allen was Canadian, would it be ok to trade up for him then? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said: 12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 22. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford 53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St 56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa 65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama 96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St 121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State 166. Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama 187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss Rosen is a bust, but Mason Rudolph you like at 12. Got it. You could very well be right, but if this were Vegas, I would go all in on those odds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Not a chance. What if Doug Whaley called Allen the worst QB prospect he'd ever seen? Should we take him then, knowing that Whaley is the worst scout/GM in history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Terrible mock. He doesn't have Mason Rudolph in the first! He knows nothing. Anyway, I'm am starting to feel like the Giants could want Barkley. If he is there at two they won't trade out. If the Browns take him at one, they will trade out. Breer mentions that the Giants love Barkley and Nelson. This is all contingent on the Giants not wanting a quarterback, but I think we we could have standing offers for the 2 and 4 picks. If the Browns go QB and the Giants get Barkley, the Browns probably trade us 4. If the Browns take Barkley, the Giants maybe trade out with us, and the Browns get a quarterback at 4. I think it is all contingent on if Barkley is available. Either way we would be guaranteed 1 of Allen, Darnold, Rosen. Agreed. I think the Giants want Barkley. If he's gone, they'll try to trade down a couple spots and get Nelson. To trade down to 12 I think they'll need us to give up the "farm". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Nothing wrong with his head or arm it's his heart. He is a tennis player wearings a football helmet. Dont forget he is smart and has opinions! Rabble rabble rabble! And he's rich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 Pretty please...dont trade all our picks for Josh Allen? Cherry on top...a whole jar of them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 He would be putting his career on the line with that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I seriously wonder if McDermott would take Rosen because of his religious beliefs. Your response is perplexing. Can you elaborate a little more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. You don't trade the farm for a guy with major accuracy issues just because he can throw a football 80 yards. Allen is a long shot of being successful. Rosen, Darnold and Rosen all have significantly higher floors and almost as much upside. BUT... Will Josh Rosen's brother be as good as him? I'm not sold yet... too many accuracy issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, DFT said: Rosen is a bust, but Mason Rudolph you like at 12. Got it. You could very well be right, but if this were Vegas, I would go all in on those odds. I love the draft "experts" who think they know value. If he's your guy you take him at 2 or 12. I think Rudolph is 1000% better than Rosen who has no heart and is made out of glass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. You don't trade the farm for a guy with major accuracy issues just because he can throw a football 80 yards. Allen is a long shot of being successful. Rosen, Darnold and Rosen all have significantly higher floors and almost as much upside. I feel like the accuracy thing is significantly overrated; especially when most of the bias is based on something as trivial and multi-variable as completion percentage. In two situations where you are able to make a somewhat apples-to-apples comparison, the senior bowl and the combine, Josh Allen was among the most accurate Quarterbacks there. At the combine specifically he looked like a man amongst boys and it wasn't just the distance but the ball placement as well. Bottom line is he doesn't just throw hard. If that was the case, he wouldn't be a top prospect. He is talented. His "accuracy" issues have more to do with anticipation and timing than anything wrong with his arm or mechanics. You know, the kinds of stuff better coaching and teammates can possibly fix. Edited March 21, 2018 by Mikey152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: 12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 22. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford 53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St 56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa 65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama 96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St 121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State 166. Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama 187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss I'd be all in on this draft... Get a QB that can sit for a year or 2 and fill A LOT of holes. Although I'm not sure if Washington is there at 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I just don't see us passing on Rosen, but if Allen is the pick, I trust McBeane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 IMO, Beane loves his draft capital and I don't think he risks those picks on a project like Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I've come around on Josh Allen. I've watched alot of his tape, and he has got immense potential. Rosen is better right now, but in 2-3 years, Allen could easily be the best QB of this 2018 class. He can make any throw, make plays with his feet, run RPO's in our offensive scheme, and with good coaching & development, I really think he's going to be a good QB for some team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Plenty of mocks to go around, but Breer is especially plugged in around the league - and he specifically says that he showed the mock to league execs and "didn't get much pushback." The Josh Allen rumors aren't going away and are either part of an elaborate smokescreen, or... https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-bills-trade-giants-josh-allen-broncos-trade-browns-baker-mayfield 2. Buffalo (projected trade with N.Y. Giants): Josh Allen, QB, WyomingThe Bills have done a nice job building capital for a bold swing. This is one. Allen’s potential is limitless, and his big frame and arm are made for Buffalo, though he has a ways to go. Perfect Trade up. Wrong Josh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: I love the draft "experts" who think they know value. If he's your guy you take him at 2 or 12. I think Rudolph is 1000% better than Rosen who has no heart and is made out of glass. i agree about taking your guy - but how did you arrive at such a slanted report on Rosen? Both seem rather subjective imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: I feel like the accuracy thing is significantly overrated; especially when most of the bias is based on something as trivial and multi-variable as completion percentage. In two situations where you are able to make a somewhat apples-to-apples comparison, the senior bowl and the combine, Josh Allen was among the most accurate Quarterbacks there. At the combine specifically he looked like a man amongst boys and it wasn't just the distance but the ball placement as well. Bottom line is he doesn't just throw hard. If that was the case, he wouldn't be a top prospect. He is talented. His "accuracy" issues have more to do with anticipation and time than anything wrong with his arm or mechanics. You know, the kinds of stuff better coaching and teammates can possibly fix. The issue isn't completion percentage. The issue is that the ball routinely misses its target. Read any Josh Allen scouting report and they all say the same thing; he's not an accurate passer. Sometimes he misses high, sometimes low, sometimes he's behind, and sometimes he's too far out front. Good luck correcting those problems. I've watched a lot of videos on Josh Allen, and he misses routine throws all the time. He makes throws within 10 yards of the LOS look challenging. Also - I couldn't care less about how he looked throwing the ball in shorts against no defense at the combine. EJ Manuel and Jake Locker looked good at the combine. Then they got to the NFL and their accuracy was just as horrible as it was in college. Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I seriously wonder if McDermott would take Rosen because of his religious beliefs. Do you really think every Bill on our roster is a Christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheBeane said: I'd be all in on this draft... Get a QB that can sit for a year or 2 and fill A LOT of holes. Although I'm not sure if Washington is there at 53. A QB taken with the 12th pick in the draft should NOT have to "sit for a year or 2." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: If Allen was Canadian, would it be ok to trade up for him then? What the hell does this have to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: 12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 22. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford 53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St 56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa 65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama 96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St 121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State 166. Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama 187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss Nothing wrong with his head or arm it's his heart. He is a tennis player wearings a football helmet. that is an EXCELLENT draft! i would be very,very happy with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The issue isn't completion percentage. The issue is that the ball routinely misses its target. Read any Josh Allen scouting report and they all say the same thing; he's not an accurate passer. Sometimes he misses high, sometimes low, sometimes he's behind, and sometimes he's too far out front. Good luck correcting those problems. I've watched a lot of videos on Josh Allen, and he misses routine throws all the time. He makes throws within 10 yards of the LOS look challenging. Also - I couldn't care less about how he looked throwing the ball in shorts against no defense at the combine. EJ Manuel and Jake Locker looked good at the combine. Then they got to the NFL and their accuracy was just as horrible as it was in college. Again, context. There is a difference between hitting a target and knowing where that target should be. Both have an impact on "accuracy," though...Luke Falk is considered accurate because he is a great anticipatory thrower, for example. But it was clear that all things being equal he cant hit the broad side of a barn, especially at distance. And I am pretty sure there is a defense at the senior bowl. Those scouting reports said Josh Allen doesn't have touch, but at the senior bowl he made a perfect bucket throw for a TD. Yes, you have to project a guy like Josh Allen. That's the NFL front office guys job...But it's not like he came out of nowhere. He's been on the radar for two years despite the fact that he was playing at a garbage school. If he really was as inaccurate as you claim, there's no way that happens. Edited March 21, 2018 by Mikey152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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