Rico Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I think the Giants are the target. They can't afford to take chances if they've identified the QB they want. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: The bills would need 2200 points to move up to the third pick, right now pics 22 and 12 equals 1780 points which would be enough for the 4th overall pick. That “points chart” is outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 34 minutes ago, bkep32 said: yes 6 37 and 49 will get them to #2 I don't think Gettleman will take less from Beane, but I do think he'll give him a chance to beat the best offer. Good thing we have all those extra day 2 draft picks to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: We should definitely be able to trade into the top 5 now. The question is what quarterback are we targeting? Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield? Gotta be Rosen since we traded TT. Best pure passer in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: I don’t think they’ll need to, not according to the Rich Hill chart. If they need a sweetener, I hope it’s MUCH later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Moving down from 2, 3 or 4 to #12 is a lot more palatable for a team than all the way to 21, especially if you don't need a QB since a there could be 4 gone in the 1st 10 picks, plus Barkley. Lots of other players are going to slip down to you at #12. Edited March 12, 2018 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Every time I see stuff about this way of grading picks I'm reminded of hearing Polian laugh at the concept and saying no GMs take it seriously. you realize he lost his marbles awhile ago. When did he make that statement? Like vernier calipers, they are just for reference. got have some form of measurement everyone understands. But i get yur point Pops ! 12 minutes ago, Rico said: I don't think Gettleman will take less from Beane, but I do think he'll give him a chance to beat the best offer. Good thing we have all those extra day 2 draft picks to play with. I might agree. I expect no BS between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yes Can’t see it happening. 1 hour ago, buffalostu2 said: It may be likely but why is it a given that this move is to get in better position to trade up again for a top QB? 12 is exactly where Georgia Middle Linebacker Roquan Smith is supposed to go and the Bengals were a common spot he was mocked to. We have a defensive coach and MLB is the biggest need behind QB. Smith is also a leader and fits the McDermott player profile. I know we all want a QB but just saying He’s also a very common spot for the niners and raiders. I think the chances are, we are trading up for a QB, not a LB. If they think Bradford, Keenum or someone else is the answer, you very well be right. I dont think smith will be available at 12. Casserly said it’s going to cost us 12 + next year’s 1st as the starting point Edited March 12, 2018 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Hopefully they can stay right there and get their guy Not a chance they are staying at 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) You have to throw out the draft pick formula when it comes to QB's. The Redskins gave up a high second-round pick (39th overall), pick 6, and 2 future 1st round picks to get pick number 2. In no sane world is that sensible under the points system. The Dolphin traded from pick 12 to 3 to pick up Dion Jordan and all it cost Miami was the 42nd pick. When QB's are being bid on you are going to pay up the ass. Fortunately for Buffalo they now have the most draft capital of any team outside of the Browns. Edited March 12, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, NewEra said: How high will those 2 picks get us in the draft? We’re still behind the dolphins (who are rumored to love Baker Mayfield). Will Josh Allen fall? Is Lamer Jackson really an option? 12+22 + what gets us top 3? Which QB are we in love with? Or do we love more than one. I’m confident that it can get us to #3 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: With this chart we should be able to get to 2, easily.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Rico said: I don't think Gettleman will take less from Beane, but I do think he'll give him a chance to beat the best offer. Good thing we have all those extra day 2 draft picks to play with. The biggest thing we have going for us is that we are the ONLY team looking to trade up that can offer 2 1sts this year. No one should underestimate the value in that. A "next year" pick is always valued a round lower than a "this year" pick. Plus, it gives GMs the ability to make a difference right now. That's appealing to both the Gettleman (to help reset quicker), and the Colts (to help right the ship quicker). Next year's picks shouldnt be in discussion, nor do they need to be. Package #12, #22, #56, and #96 together and make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s based on actual trades that have been made. It’s pretty interesting. I like the base 100 one even more after looking into the actual trades since 2011 Just remember that trades up into the top 3 have ~30% inflation, trades into the top 5 have ~12%inflation, and trades into the top 10 have ~4% inflation. Edited March 13, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The biggest thing we have going for us is that we are the ONLY team looking to trade up that can offer 2 1sts this year. No one should underestimate the value in that. A "next year" pick is always valued a round lower than a "this year" pick. Plus, it gives GMs the ability to make a difference right now. That's appealing to both the Gettleman (to help reset quicker), and the Colts (to help right the ship quicker). Next year's picks shouldnt be in discussion, nor do they need to be. Package #12, #22, #56, and #96 together and make it happen. BTW, just did the math, that equals 736.87 on Kirby's chart. Get to #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, simool said: I am fairly certain that this point chart it antiquated. They still use a point system but Jimmy's values are no longer accurate. Supply and demand as well. I don’t think it’s as simple as just looking at the charts for value. Teams know that the Bills need a QB, and the Bills will almost certainly have to overpay to move into the top 5. The good news is they have tons of picks so can throw in a 2nd or 3rd if necessary Edited March 13, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Sorry if this is posted already, but how much cap space do we save this year by trading Cordy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno23 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Tradung up into the top 4 might be tricky. Boils down to Cle at 1. If they take QB then i dont see Giants moving from 2 as they will take Barkley. If Cle takes Barkley 1 will Giants want to trade out of 2 and lose the chance to draft the heir apparant to Eli Indy at 3 needs Chubbs or Barkley if he falls. Would need huge offer to move out of 3 At 4 if cle went Barkley at 1 would stay to draft other QB So moving into top 4 might be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) If I’m in the top 5 and you want my pick, better throw the draft chart out because I’m charge 25% at least! Like I’ve said before, the NYG have only 5 picks in the draft. If you offer, 12, 22, 56, 65 and a 2019 2nd they’ll move the #2 pick. That gives them 8 picks to help Eli, assuming one of those, maybe 34 is used to pick a Mason Rudolph/Mike White they can groom behind Eli. Edited March 13, 2018 by KRT88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, berg1029 said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm 1200 + ~800 =2000 which is somewhere between the third and fourth picks Also, taking the difference between 12 and 21... 1200-800=400 which is about a middle of the second value for Cordy Glenn Surprisingly, the other teams GM's also have this chart, and they will want more than the chart says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I think the worst case target is Cleveland at 4 but will cost us a first or 2nd next year as well. Or maybe Hughes to pair with Garrett. I'm of the belief that the Giants and Colts won't trade out and want Saquan and Chubb. If we turn Hughes and 22 into the 7th we could package 7 and 12 and possibly move up to 3. We should have more trade ammo then Denver the Jets and Cardinals when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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