Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't think Philly has a choice, they have to trade him. They're up against the cap. I think 53 and 65 could get it done. I would part with 22 and 158 if I had to. Still much cheaper than trading up for Rosen or whoever else. Not if Foles reverts back to his normal play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Tbat ogfense requires on-field dwcision making. He's shown he can do it. That thinking skill is very valuable. It may be the MOST valuable. One could argue it is the quality that Bills QBs ( since JK) have lacked . They've had QBs with arm talent , mobility etc. That internal clock and processor makes the difference between an elite QB and another Rob Johnson. Foles is not elite , but the guy can play. Edited March 10, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Yes it will. What do you think you are giving up to get Foles??? The Ammo need to go get a top rookie. Just say no to journeymen Exactly. If the Bills made this trade it would not be for a bridge. They would be committed. It is this or try to trade up, not both. I am not in favor of writing in Foles as the Bills QB for the next five years. Wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Here's the question: What would you have given up to bring Foles in a year ago? A 2nd rounder? a 6th rounder? A one year vet minimum contract? What has changed in that time? Is he a different QB now? Did he suddenly "get it?" Or did he simply have a great 4-game stretch with a loaded team and a great coach? Why do so many of you want to buy high all of the time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't see Foles as the long term answer the Bills have been looking for since 1996. It's as simple as that. I'd rather sign a UFA QB and keep my 2nd and 3rd. Actually I think Foles could be the long term answer, but as I think about it I think you're right about signing a free agent QB instead. Bridgewater or Kewnum or Bradford could be as good a solution and won't cost draft capital. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Edited March 10, 2018 by Shaw66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Do you think Darnold could start right away or would he need time to develop? What about Rosen/Mayfield? I think all three can start day One. After them the rest need development time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Maybe an inconsistent 29 year old QB is good enough for you, but I'd like the Bills to have better. Like an inconsistent 21 year old with poor throwing mechanics, lousy footwork and accuracy issues, who hasn't even played a down in the NFL? Edited March 10, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: Like an inconsistent 21 year old with poor throwing mechanics and lousy footwork who hasn't even played a down in the NFL? Is Karlos still the key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Is Karlos still the key? These days you'd be lucky if Karlos can find his keys.... -He sure was somethin, tho.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Like an inconsistent 21 year old with poor throwing mechanics, lousy footwork and accuracy issues, who hasn't even played a down in the NFL? Guess your not talking about Rosen and or Darnold here so which Rookie you talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: These days you'd be lucky if Karlos can find his keys.... -He sure was somethin, tho.. Yeah. Too bad he couldn't keep himself together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Another question is, do you think Foles is demonstrably better than Keenum/Bridgewater/Bradford/Moore/McCarron/etc.? If he is, then is he worth the two 2nd round picks or more - it'll cost to trade for him? In other words, why pay a premium in draft picks for Foles when you can pick up one of the other FA QBs and not give up any picks to do so? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Juice_32 said: Super Bowl MVP = retread. Tough crowd. I'd be happy with Foles and don't think that getting him prevents us from moving up for a top rookie. You know who else was a SB MVP? Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Guess your not talking about Rosen and or Darnold here so which Rookie you talking about Rosen's got probably the best out of the top five... -Darnold has serious mechanical issues, as does Jackson. -Mayfield neds help in that regard as well. What could you possibly have against a proven leader like Nick "Philly special" Foles... -Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, #34fan said: Rosen's got probably the best out of the top five... -Darnold has serious mechanical issues, as does Jackson. -Mayfield neds help in that regard as well. What could you possibly have against a proven leader like Nick "Philly special" Foles... -Smh Se my posts above yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Rosen's got probably the best out of the top five... -Darnold has serious mechanical issues, as does Jackson. -Mayfield neds help in that regard as well. What could you possibly have against a proven leader like Nick "Philly special" Foles... -Smh That is is just a middling avg QB and not a solution long term at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I have no interest in Foles. Go get a top rookie I am sure Beane has you on speed dial Kirby so he can check prior to making a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Bills will go to No 2 overall Bills will draft Josh Rosen No 2 overall i figure if i SAY IT enough it will come true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Actually I think Foles could be the long term answer, but as I think about it I think you're right about signing a free agent QB instead. Bridgewater or Kewnum or Bradford could be as good a solution and won't cost draft capital. Keenum is going to go for the best money. He has been in the NFL for 8 seasons and has only made 7 million total. Spotrac has his value at 20 million per year. Don't see the Bills pursuing that. Bridgewater probably has to sign a "prove you are healthy" contract. I can see the Bill's being interested in that. Let's see if he comes to Buffalo for an early visit. Bradford. Yeesh. Do teams think he is a "long term" answer anymore? If so, I don't see the Bills being interested. If he falls into the second tier because of "availability" issue, Beane could be interested with a short term contract. If Beane gets a Rosen/Mayfield (if those are his possible guys) AND can get Foles.............. Maybe if Beane is as good as we hope he is..............he could trade off Foles after we don't need him anymore to get back some of the draft capital we used to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, simool said: I am sure Beane has you on speed dial Kirby so he can check prior to making a move. Sorry thought this was a place to share our opinions. Must be in the wrong place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: And what kind of contract did he get after he was? A big one, which turned out to be a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: That is is just a middling avg QB and not a solution long term at the position. Sorry, but a middling, average QB doesn't trade blows with the greatest of all time, and get you that ring. -Now way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I have no interest in Foles. Go get a top rookie 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yep. Enough with the retreads. Said a couple guys who couldn’t help but sing the praises of the inimitable Tyrod the Best since Kelly gives us a great chance to win Taylor???? Puleeeeze! ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Said a couple guys who couldn’t help but sing the praises of the inimitable Tyrod the Best since Kelly gives us a great chance to win Taylor???? Puleeeeze! ?? Your reading comprehension is faulty. What I said is that he was the best QB on the team and that's exactly what he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Sorry, but a middling, average QB doesn't trade blows with the greatest of all time, and get you that ring. -Now way. Sure it does if you do not let one game define a career. Let another team make a mistake of doing that we already did once with Rob Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: You know who else was a SB MVP? Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. 27 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Se my posts above yours I just want a SB ring... If you're looking for a veteran stopgap QB , and last year's SB winner is available, how do you not at least research a move in that direction? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Maybe an inconsistent 29 year old QB is good enough for you, but I'd like the Bills to have better. Concur but if you get Foles fairly cheap and still are able to move up for a rookie.... double bonus. If Foles exceeds expectations, we win, if not he’s still better than our ex “ Starter” and would serve as a bridge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: I just want a SB ring... If you're looking for a veteran stopgap QB , and last year's SB winner is available, how do you not at least research a move in that direction? Not opposed to it...but pick 56 is the absolute most I would offer, and 65 would be more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Plan A is move up and get a franchise guy. (Rosen, Mayfield...Darnold), get a relatively inexpensive QB in FA like Matt Moore. Plan B trade for Foles and draft a project QB who comes to them like (Allen or Jackson) Plan C sign a FA QB like Bradford, Keenum, McCarron and perhaps draft a QB like Rudolph, Lauletta in 2 or 3 round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Juice_32 said: He had a great year with Chip K. and looked rough with with Rams. On their playoff run and in the Super Bowl he outplayed Tom* Brady*. Id still get a rookie if we went after him, but the guy deserves some credit. His coach with the Rams was Fisher? Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said: Concur but if you get Foles fairly cheap and still are able to move up for a rookie.... double bonus. If Foles exceeds expectations, we win, if not he’s still better than our ex “ Starter” and would serve as a bridge. I don't want to give up draft picks for what I consider to be a bridge QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't want to give up draft picks for what I consider to be a bridge QB. Not firsts, agreed. Depends on the deal but Foles has shown the ability to be more than a bridge. I think the percentage chance of that being true is decently above 50 to make it a good gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, #34fan said: I just want a SB ring... If you're looking for a veteran stopgap QB , and last year's SB winner is available, how do you not at least research a move in that direction? I hate to break it to you, but even if the Bills win the Super Bowl, you aren't getting a ring! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said: It's going to be an interesting week. Edited 4 hours ago by Shaw66 That it is. TT trade just raises so many possibilities to dream of with the feeling that we are decidedly closer to one of them coming true. Im always excited about the draft but this year feels truly different, as if we are actually on the cusp of a real turn around. Getting a premier QB, whether on a rookie contract or a team friendly contract and actually building a team around him because we can afford to and have a Scouting department ( seemingly) capable of it..... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Said a couple guys who couldn’t help but sing the praises of the inimitable Tyrod the Best since Kelly gives us a great chance to win Taylor???? Puleeeeze! ?? He was an average QB (and still is). Foles is hot and cold. He’s been great and been bad. Tyrod won more games than he lost and broke the drought. I’m sorry that you don’t like winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: I am admittedly partial but imo McCarron has more potential than the two you mention. Bill, You may be right that he has more potential but that isn't the overriding issue for us. It appears that the Bills are going to make a move up for a premium qb prospect. If that is the plan then the thinking is for a short term holding plan strategy for the veteran qb. If the Bills do get McCarron you are not going to hear any complaints from me. I think he can do a solid job. But ask yourself from McCarron's perspective who has patiently waited behind Dalton and challenged the Bengals for his free agent status is that the best situation for him? If McCarron was willing to accept a one year or two contract in order to upgrade his status I would be all for it. My belief is that McCarron has options in the market. Although I'm not sure that Buffalo is the best option for him it would be a reasonable option for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He was an average QB (and still is). Foles is hot and cold. He’s been great and been bad. Tyrod won more games than he lost and broke the drought. I’m sorry that you don’t like winning. Foles won more games than he lost. In the playoffs, he won more than he lost. He also won more Super Bowls than he lost. There's a reason Foles' value is set at a 1st, and TT's a 3rd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 If the Bills trade a 2nd round pick plus , I don't seem them trading up in the draft for a qb. I can't see Beane using all his draft capitol for two qb's It will be a big move up or Foles and another Peterman like dart in round 4 or 5 imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He was an average QB (and still is). Foles is hot and cold. He’s been great and been bad. Tyrod won more games than he lost and broke the drought. I’m sorry that you don’t like winning. Coming in sixth in the AFC isn’t satisfying to me. I don’t call that winning. Riding Peterman to a worse finish, knowing for sure he sucks and having a top ten pick ( and all the higher picks in the following rounds) along with KC’s pick would make me a happier person today. It’s called “ Short term sacrifice for long term gain” or foresight . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Juice_32 said: Super Bowl MVP = retread. Tough crowd. I'd be happy with Foles and don't think that getting him prevents us from moving up for a top rookie. I would take these stats for my QB. Outside of Kelly we haven't had a player with these stats in a long time. Taylor at his best can barely reach 300 yards in a game. Foles cap number is good and the perfect Bridge QB. Playoffs Passing Year Age Tm Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Career 4 4 3-1 100 139 71.9 1166 8 5.8 1 0.7 55 8.4 9.2 11.7 291.5 113.2 4 33 7.92 8.73 2.8 1 1 2013* 24 PHI QB 1 1 0-1 23 33 69.7 195 2 6.1 0 0.0 40 5.9 7.1 8.5 195.0 105.0 2 19 5.03 6.17 5.7 2017 28 PHI QB 3 3 3-0 77 106 72.6 971 6 5.7 1 0.9 55 9.2 9.9 12.6 323.7 115.7 2 14 8.86 9.56 1.9 1 1 PASSING Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 7 101 57 56.4 14.4 537 5.3 76.7 5 5.0 2 2.0 35 3 0 5 44 79.5 2016 Kansas City Chiefs 3 55 36 65.5 18.3 410 7.5 136.7 3 5.5 0 0.0 49 7 1 4 34 105.9 2015 St. Louis Rams 11 337 190 56.4 30.6 2,052 6.1 186.5 7 2.1 10 3.0 68 27 8 14 98 69.0 2014 Philadelphia Eagles 8 311 186 59.8 38.9 2,163 7.0 270.4 13 4.2 10 3.2 68T 29 7 9 74 81.4 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 13 317 203 64.0 24.4 2,891 9.1 222.4 27 8.5 2 0.6 63T 52 13 28 173 119.2 2012 Philadelphia Eagles 7 265 161 60.8 37.9 1,699 6.4 242.7 6 2.3 5 1.9 46 24 2 20 131 79.1 TOTAL 49 1,386 833 60.1 28.3 9,752 7.0 199.0 61 4.4 29 2.1 68 142 31 80 554 87.4 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Coming in sixth in the AFC isn’t satisfying to me. I don’t call that winning. Riding Peterman to a worse finish, knowing for sure he sucks and having a top ten pick ( and all the higher picks in the following rounds) along with KC’s pick would make me a happier person today. It’s called “ Short term sacrifice for long term gain” or foresight . Yeah ask the Sabres how that worked out. Did so well they can try again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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