Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We do need someone to accidentally hit the hospitality tent in camp... ?. Poor EJ. He really did try hard. 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Bills' have no picks after the 5th round, but if they did I wouldn't waste one on Lee. Good point. No need to worry about it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Chances are, if there’s a scrub QB who can’t throw the ball, we’ll find him......and probably sign him to a monster deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sweats said: Chances are, if there’s a scrub QB who can’t throw the ball, we’ll find him......and probably sign him to a monster deal. LOL. I'm waiting for all of the "Bill's should of Drafted (insert name here)" threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, billspro said: Very impressive for Rosen and Mayfield. I thought Jackson had a bigger arm than that. That is another red flag for him with the accuracy issues. The other guys didn't have great arms on tape so I am not surprised. There are not many pocket passers that make it with low velocity. I would be a little worried expecting Falk or Lauletta to be anything more than backups. I still think Rudolph has a chance though. Velocity is over rated. It completely ignores touch, feel, and timing. Yes you like to see your QB have some rocket fire arm, but honestly, too strong of an arm can also be a detriment and lead to deflected passes. Its not very often when a QB needs to fire a laser shot that has a low, deflectable and interceptable, pass to a WR. And if you watch Lamar, he is capable of firing rockets down field. The biggest difference is massive distance, but you are talking about a handful of passes each year at most where a QB needs to heave the ball 70 yards in the air, its a rare play. And its mostly a Hail Mary type play because of the amount of time it takes for the play to develop as you need to the WR to make all its moves and get down field to catch it in the first place and takes too long to develop in the pocket. While you want zip to the outside routes, you dont need to be at 55 or above to have enough zip to make that pass. Its once again rare that a guy is literally going to fire at full power on a laser rope to the outside. Timing, accuracy, and touch will beat out zip and power 100% of the time. The two greatest QBs of all time without debate are easily Montana and Brady, neither had big live arms. I do find it interesting people are crapping on Lamars 49 yet most of them are the same people who like Peterman (also a 49) and Watson, who is worse at a 45. I have all year wanted Baker, and still very much do. He's my guy and has been the whole CFB season even when people kept telling me he was a 2nd round pick at best. But I would also be quite happy with Lamar if we stay put and dont trade up. I wont be upset about any QB we take, all the top 5 or 6 guys would be interesting or exciting to bring in. I just think Baker is the best QB prospect and guy I prefer in a trade up, and Lamar is the best guy on the board likely if we stay put. Edited March 8, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 16 hours ago, H2o said: I will admit that Chad Pennington's was probably about 34, but he was a successful QB. lol... Chad was so slow he was first QB ever to have his throws measured via "air speed" vs "ground speed". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) Lamar Jackson - Louisville - 49 (left), 49 (right) Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right) 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Mr. Griese says Mr. Griese would be holding a clipboard in today's NFL... Edited March 8, 2018 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Lurker said: Lamar Jackson - Louisville - 49 (left), 49 (right) Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh, 49 (Left), 49 (Right) Mr. Griese would be holding a clipboard in today's NFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 ....but do any of these guys have late movement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: ....but do any of these guys have late movement? lol..... no but Johnny Football had a great slider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 theres something off about these qb velocity numbers..like theres abberations or such Peterman has the weakest arm probably in the nfl yet he scored similar to tyrod and stronger then deshaun watson who has show to have more than adequate velocity..and flacco having less velocity then andy dalton is bull **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Correct - We should wait to get our hands on his data before we go too overboard with this. From what I recall this data is pretty useful in looking at prospects. If the ball takes too long to get where it needs to go, bad things can happen in the NFL... Agreed. 7 hours ago, HiddenInLight said: The Jackson excuses have already started. Is it too much to ask for us to actually go for a guy that we don't need to make excuses for? Who would that guy be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The Jackson apologists are out in full force. "Nevermind his accuracy percentage. He's more accurate than what that says" "Nevermind his arm strength. That metric must have been measured wrong" "Nevermind that 1/3 of his college offensive contribution was on running plays. He can pass" "Nevermind that his intelligence test has him grading out borderline illiterate. He's smarter than what it says on paper" "INSERT ADDITIONAL APOLOGIES HERE" All of these quarterbacks have issues, but none stand out more than Jackson. He's a multiple wart toad being compared to frogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 31 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: The Jackson apologists are out in full force. "Nevermind his accuracy percentage. He's more accurate than what that says" "Nevermind his arm strength. That metric must have been measured wrong" "Nevermind that 1/3 of his college offensive contribution was on running plays. He can pass" "Nevermind that his intelligence test has him grading out borderline illiterate. He's smarter than what it says on paper" "INSERT ADDITIONAL APOLOGIES HERE" All of these quarterbacks have issues, but none stand out more than Jackson. He's a multiple wart toad being compared to frogs. Good thing you resurrected a thread from over a month ago to offer your unrelated opinion on Lamar Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbbillsfan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 pretty sure drew brees is like a 53 mph guy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 4, 2018 Share Posted May 4, 2018 On 4/23/2018 at 1:57 PM, HappyDays said: Good thing you resurrected a thread from over a month ago to offer your unrelated opinion on Lamar Jackson Good thing Lamar Jackson was drafted exactly where he was expected to be drafted (late first, early second). Backup..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 10:02 PM, BisonMan said: Interesting Notables under 55: Deshaun Watson - 45 Nate Peterman - 49 Dak Prescott- 54 Mitch Trubisky - 51 AJ McCarron - 53 It seems a bunch of starters are right around 55, including Wentz, Mahomes, Winston and Mariota. The number appears arbitrary to me and may not be applicable in game conditions. Peterman’s ball seems a lot slower to me in game situations than Watson’s but he was 4mph faster at the combine. EdW More from the "experts" side of things i wonder what Kelly, Marino, & Elways were back then that had nothing to do with nothing it's all about reading defenses & yes you need zip but if you can anticipate a WR coming open i would think that has a lot more to do with it !! Every body now is into the analytics of the game at any position !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, T master said: More from the "experts" side of things i wonder what Kelly, Marino, & Elways were back then that had nothing to do with nothing it's all about reading defenses & yes you need zip but if you can anticipate a WR coming open i would think that has a lot more to do with it !! Every body now is into the analytics of the game at any position !! I’m sure Elway, Kelly and Marino were all above 55. Elway was known for the “Elway cross” so he might of been 60* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 A stat like this is about as important to QB success as ability to cook a wonderful meal. When Tom Brady reads a defense at the line, makes adjustments to take advantage of defensive scheme, and then throws a little 7 yard timing pass over the middle...where does ball speed enter the equation? The mental component of the game is massively more important than arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Dream Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: A stat like this is about as important to QB success as ability to cook a wonderful meal. When Tom Brady reads a defense at the line, makes adjustments to take advantage of defensive scheme, and then throws a little 7 yard timing pass over the middle...where does ball speed enter the equation? The mental component of the game is massively more important than arm strength. Good thing our QB topped the wonderlic test as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) On 3/7/2018 at 10:34 PM, ILBillsfan said: Lamar Jackson didn't even hit 50 wow That's likely because he was focused more on being accurate. I'm no Jackson fan, but his arm is ?? Edited May 5, 2018 by Chicken Boo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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