DCOrange Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Accuracy and completion percentage aren't the same thing. None of them were inaccurate college passers. Inaccurate college QBs include: EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, Vince Young and JP Losman. I know it's not; that's why I said kinda Matt Ryan. His completion percentage would suggest he was absolutely inaccurate but it was more spotty accuracy rather than legitimately inaccurate for him. Stafford and Cam were definitely inaccurate despite Cam's stats suggesting otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, KelsaysLunchbox said: Well, no matter who they draft they have to tailor the offense to their skillset somewhat anyhow. This is something I've read (but admitting I don't have first hand knowledge of) that Daboll does really well. If a shorter guy needs more snaps out of shotgun, so be it. I believe McCoy ran better out of shotgun anyways. Honestly I'm with you on that, I was just saying that perhaps Beane prefers a more standard prototypical pocket passer this time around. I don't have too much of a problem with Mayfield, especially with guys like Brees and Wilson in the league who are doing well even though they are shorter. The comment on mobile was more towards a Lamar Jackson type guy. Guys like Darnold and Rosen are your more prototypical guys, but I like Rosen better than Darnold beause I think he is more NFL ready, which is why he is my QB prospect of choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I know it's not; that's why I said kinda Matt Ryan. His completion percentage would suggest he was absolutely inaccurate but it was more spotty accuracy rather than legitimately inaccurate for him. Stafford and Cam were definitely inaccurate despite Cam's stats suggesting otherwise. Stafford's scouting report disagrees: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860 "Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory." Matt Ryan: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matt-ryan?id=310 "Very accurate passer when flushed out of the pocket, but has the strength to step up and absorb punishment... Very good game manager who has the pinpoint accuracy to put the ball into tight areas and keeps the receivers in their routes, doing a nice job of hitting them out of the breaks..." Cam I'll concede. His fundamentals were all over the place in college and he still struggles with it in the NFL. Edited March 6, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Everyone voting Allen. Why? Legit question. And if you're argument is arm strength and measurables alone... may I refer you to former top overall pick for the Oakland Raiders Jamarcuss Russell? I voted Allen because I think he has the highest ceiling of all of this years QB's. It is ridiculous to compare Allen to Russell, just like it is ridiculous to compare Mayfield to Manziel. Those 2 QB's failed for personal reasons off of the football field, not because they lacked talent. If you make that comparison, ANY of them could fail because of drugs, booze, bad work ethic etc... In my opinion, there is not a single QB in this class who is guaranteed not to be a bust, including Darnold. They all have red flags, and yes, Allen's accuracy is a concern, but IF he can be coached up and improve his mechanics and vision, he has the most upside of the bunch. And yes, I know that is a big if... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Give me the guy with the highest completion percentage that's north of 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 41 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: I wasn't aware Allen played a down in the NFL yet. Nothing will be proven until he gets on the field. Everything at this point is speculation, on Allen and the rest of these QB's. You don't know any more than anyone else how these guys will turn out. So let people have their opinions. Jeez I can't wait for the draft to be over. You seem upset. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Mason Rudolph, Nate Peterman, Joe Webb II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 45 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: I'd still take him over Peterman. I'd take him over TT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I’m all in on Mayfield? Do whatever it takes to get him! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, HiddenInLight said: Honestly, Allen gives me EJ flashbacks in a really bad way. Mayfield is a very good prospect, but I think Rosen is the guy that will be the better QB long term. Pocket passers tend to stick around longer in the NFL then the more mobile guys like Mayfield. If I'm choosing between Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen, I take Rosen 100% of the time. And yet one of the big question marks about Rosen appears to be durability. Mayock kept mentioning pocket awareness as something Rosen lacks. I still think Rosen worth strong consideration, but Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold is my order of preference. I just hope we can move up and get one of the big three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I voted Darnold. Strong arm, mobile, can move in the pocket and still make a great throw. I hate how sloppy he is with the rock though. He will give it away. Rosen will be in the pocket. He's not giving a team the option of running. And his concussions/injuries are concerning. Mayfield has a lot to like, but at his height I don't know. He's not as strong armed or athletic as Wilson or Bree's. Allen has great potential but that accuracy... if he improves that then he's John Elway, Jr. Jackson at 21 would be my choice if he were available. Can do multiple things to help a team win. The accuracy is a concern, but he dominated at times and he played against a consistently higher level of competition than Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Stafford's scouting report disagrees: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matthew-stafford?id=79860 "Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory." Matt Ryan: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matt-ryan?id=310 "Very accurate passer when flushed out of the pocket, but has the strength to step up and absorb punishment... Very good game manager who has the pinpoint accuracy to put the ball into tight areas and keeps the receivers in their routes, doing a nice job of hitting them out of the breaks..." Cam I'll concede. His fundamentals were all over the place in college and he still struggles with it in the NFL. And Cam still isn’t an accurate QB. 19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: And yet one of the big question marks about Rosen appears to be durability. Mayock kept mentioning pocket awareness as something Rosen lacks. I still think Rosen worth strong consideration, but Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold is my order of preference. I just hope we can move up and get one of the big three. Funny, because Rosen is a statue. So his lack of pocket awareness and inability to avoid pressure are going to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 hours ago, cd1 said: Nick Foles... we are not getting Foles.. Give it a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: we are not getting Foles.. Give it a rest Nick Foles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I like Rosen. He gets the ball out quick and places the ball so the receiver can make a move without getting tackled immediately. Don't know about durability but it stands to reason that if he is getting rid of the ball quick he is less likely to get hurt. Plus, pocket passers still rule the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 6 times as many people pick Mayfield over Darnold, nearly twice as many prefer Allen, and he's picked even with...Jackson? Ei yi yi, the circus is in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 5 hours ago, jrober38 said: When was the last time an inaccurate college QB succeeded in the NFL? Jim Kelly was 55%. I could care less what this kid did in college, and the same goes for all the others. We don't know how that'll translate to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 had to vote for rosen. kid seems to be a great talent, and i love his passion for life in general. he seems to want to leave his mark off the field, and feels the best way to do that is to build a reputation kicking @$$ on the football field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
707BillsFan Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: You seem upset. Why? Not upset at all. I love armchair QB's that think they can predict the future, but sit in their parents basement while updating their indeed resume so they can get that spring time car wash job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: Jim Kelly was 55%. I could care less what this kid did in college, and the same goes for all the others. We don't know how that'll translate to the NFL. Jim Kelly played in college 35 years ago. Assuming we don't know is ignorance. The history of QBs with accuracy problems who failed in the NFL is extremely long over the past 20 years. It's not a flaw that modern day QBs overcome. Predicting QB success isn't hard. Just focus on the guys who completely dominated college football and ignore the guys who were middle of the pack QBs in the Mountain West Conference. Edited March 7, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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