If You Ever Want a Top Rated QB Prospect...You Have to Suffer

[reddogblitz]

20 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Point taken.  Question: how do you view the Sammy Watkins trade up, was it worth it?  IMO, there is no difference, aside from position, between that and trading up for a QB.

 

Sammy was not a missed shot. JP was.

 

Besides that, not all missed shots are bad

 

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Schmuggs]

23 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. THIS coming from the hypocrite who acts like he's the moral arbiter of the board? You JUST called him a douchebag!!! How's that respectful? Take off Leroi, you have nothing to say anymore. 

 

Lol. Irish has been triggered!!

 

I suggest controlling yourself and once again please stop being so critical. 

 

You constant judging of members is unbecoming.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

So telling the truth is now pathetic?

 

 

point proven.  

 

[Chuck Wagon]

I just don't agree with the premise.

 

Unless I'm WAY off base on the price, I think after the trade last year, we've positioned ourselves to get one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in this class while still having two day 2 picks (the normal amount) and having our draft next year largely intact.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Total nonsense.  Ask any Bills fan about suffering and then coming up with the prize.

[GrizzReaper]

I agree with the OP. In order to get a shot at the 1st or 2nd pick (which is usually where the best prospects are guesstimated to be picked) you either have to have a horrid year of football or trade away a lot of draft capital to move into one of those spots. Maybe even trade a good player and some picks. All three of those options can be considered suffering in some way, shape, or form.

 

I think a year of 0-16 is suffering (heck some 9-7 seasons I considered suffering.) I think giving up multiple 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks would suck... Last route trading away say.... McCoy or White and a pick would suck too. Other than those scenarios I dont know of another way to get to the top of the draft. For a QB or not... Whomever it is this can't miss talent may be.

 

I just hope our scouts and GM do a thorough job regarding the QBs. If they do all thier homework and say hey Rosen or Allen or whoever is going to be a good QB then yeah do what needs to be done to land him. Just be damn sure hes going to make it bc if not well trading away draft capital with all these holes on the roster will suck. They cant guaruntee the pick is going to work out but they can do thier jobs to the best of thier ability and be confident he will pan out.

 

The team has other needs that have to be adressed for sure. We still have to see how FA goes. I am not of the opinion that they should stay pat if they feel they have scouted a good franchise QB in this class. If they have to trade away picks to get him I think they should do it. At least our future QB is on the roster. Let the other pieces "wait" until next year or the year after. Put those pieces into place later. Build around this guy from the ground up. All just my opinion... I'm aware there is more than one way to skin a cat. I just want to see our team finally have a good QB. It's been too long!

 

 

 

[pennstate10]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The top 2 picks of the draft are where the odds of getting a franchise QB are highest. 

 

This statement may or may not be true.  I'd have to see the numbers to really assess it.

 

But I know this is true.

 

Since the year 2000, 1 (one) SuperBowl has been won by a QB who was a top 2 pick (Peyton Manning, Colts, 2007).

 

In that same time, three SuperBowls have been won by a top 5 pick QB.

 

Since 2000, 21 QBs have been selected in the top 5.  Only one of them (Eli Manning, 2004) has won a Super Bowl.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/03/04/list-of-qbs-selected-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft-since-2000/98734644/

 

These are simply facts.  Look at them however you'd like.

 

Not sure that we need a top 5 pick.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Can't suffer any more time to get The Guy!

[Victory Formation]

I'm luke warm on the QBs this year. I like Jackson, Rudolph and Lauletta, but I don't love them. I don't think we should spend a 1st on QB because there are too many can't miss prospects at 21 & 22. If we go QB in RD2, we can move on from them in 1 year. Spending a 1st on a QB likely means McD's wagon is hitched to that prospect and I think that could be dangerous. Sure, there's some solid characteristics I like about them, but nobody I'd go all in on.

[ndirish1978]

3 hours ago, Schmuggs said:

 

Lol. Irish has been triggered!!

 

I suggest controlling yourself and once again please stop being so critical. 

 

You constant judging of members is unbecoming.

 

It makes me sad when I see you post here now Leroi now that you don't have any inside info. You're like the washed up mean girl who peaked in high school and loses her looks who returns to her high school reunion to relive her glory days, only to find that no one really ever liked her and she's lost the only thing that made people tolerate her. In short, you are the Tara Reid of TBD.

Edited February 26, 2018 by ndirish1978

[Fadingpain]

On February 24, 2018 at 3:26 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

Arent you the poster who believes the K. Benjamin Trade was just coincidence and not connections.  That was you!!!  Lol.  Your the dude who doesn’t believe in relationships.  Oh brother.

 

but beside that embarrassing post of your time on this board...let’s see the evidence.

Don't get all hot and bothered about 26Cornerblitz.

 

His takes are consistently among the worst on this board.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Don't get all hot and bothered about 26Cornerblitz.

 

His takes are consistently among the worst on this board.

 

Really. Are you still a member of the Peterman fan club?  Now go back to complain about the Tiger Woods thread.  

[BillsFan130]

34 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

It makes me sad when I see you post here now Leroi now that you don't have any inside info. You're like the washed up mean girl who peaked in high school and loses her looks who returns to her high school reunion to relive her glory days, only to find that no one really ever liked her and she's lost the only thing that made people tolerate her. In short, you are the Tara Reid of TBD.

That is Tara Reid on the right?? Wow she is looking rough

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/24/2018 at 1:00 PM, Green Lightning said:

 

When all is said and done it's hard to refute this. It's absolutely true, the Bills just haven't tried hard enough, haven't drafted enough quarterbacks, and a passed over too many because they didn't like them only to have them pan out. They just have to do better. Let's start this year.

I've said for years we needed to draft more qbs. I'd even go as far as drafting 2 in a year like this. We're all well aware of the importance of this position. Good organizations are willing to take the risk. Even if it means trading up.  I think our current braintrust will make the right decisions and they'll take the chances necessary to find our franchise guy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

52 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

This statement may or may not be true.  I'd have to see the numbers to really assess it.

 

Oh, it's true.  I've posted a breakdown of QB drafted through the first 5 rounds using hard numeric criteria.  Search if you like.  Mid - Jan "QB Draft Results" or something like that.

Someone else did it by "TLAR" (that looks about right) and achieved similar results.

 

I didn't break out the top 2 picks in that one, just the top 5, so I'll do that here:

1998-2016 top 5 rounds 

Criteria: Completion %; YPA; TD/INT (chosen because they correlate to winning).  Same criteria used all 5 rounds

Pick #1,2: 19 QB.  Yes: 11/19, 58%.  Maybe: 3/18, 16%.  Yes + Maybe = 75%

Yes: Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Luck, Griffin (inj), Bradford(inj), Stafford,Alex Smith,Palmer, P. Manning (11)

Maybe (No by criteria, but most people would say Y): Newton, Eli Manning, McNabb (3)

No: Russell, Carr, Vick, Couch, Leaf (5)

 

Pick 1-5 50%

Pick 6-32 19%

2nd round: 20%

3rd round: 15%

4th round: 10%

5th round: no one really (AJ McCarron and Craig Nall, neither played more than 7 games)

 

You can debate names - maybe you score Newton and E. Manning "yes" and RGIII and Bradford "no" - doesn't change the conclusion.

 

 

[#34fan]

6 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Then how did I spank you in the 3rd reply?  You add nothing here. 

 

 Except for the timely news updates, and relevant, thought-provoking article-links.

 

6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It should have stayed as strictly a football discussion, but too many trolls decided to take it off course. 

 

26, I will absolutlely talk sh_t to you EVERY CHANCE I GET... But I want to thank you for your positive contributions to this board. -Place wouldn't be the same without ya!

 

More peaceful maybe, but not the same.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

 Except for the timely news updates, and relevant, thought-provoking article-links.

 

 

26, I will absolutlely talk sh_t to you EVERY CHANCE I GET... But I want to thank you for your positive contributions to this board. -Place wouldn't be the same without ya!

 

More peaceful maybe, but not the same.

That a boy could perform and was done much more regularly before his coming here?  

[#34fan]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

That a boy could perform and was done much more regularly before his coming here?  

 

?

 

JboysT, Please PARK the tractor, THEN try to use the laptop.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, #34fan said:

 

?

 

JboysT, Please PARK the tractor, THEN try to use the laptop.

Ha. Autocorrect. Bot

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, it's true.  I've posted a breakdown of QB drafted through the first 5 rounds using hard numeric criteria.  Search if you like.  Mid - Jan "QB Draft Results" or something like that.

Someone else did it by "TLAR" (that looks about right) and achieved similar results.

 

I didn't break out the top 2 picks in that one, just the top 5, so I'll do that here:

1998-2016 top 5 rounds 

Criteria: Completion %; YPA; TD/INT (chosen because they correlate to winning).  Same criteria used all 5 rounds

Pick #1,2: 19 QB.  Yes: 11/19, 58%.  Maybe: 3/18, 16%.  Yes + Maybe = 75%

Yes: Goff, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Luck, Griffin (inj), Bradford(inj), Stafford,Alex Smith,Palmer, P. Manning (11)

Maybe (No by criteria, but most people would say Y): Newton, Eli Manning, McNabb (3)

No: Russell, Carr, Vick, Couch, Leaf (5)

 

Pick 1-5 50%

Pick 6-32 19%

2nd round: 20%

3rd round: 15%

4th round: 10%

5th round: no one really (AJ McCarron and Craig Nall, neither played more than 7 games)

 

You can debate names - maybe you score Newton and E. Manning "yes" and RGIII and Bradford "no" - doesn't change the conclusion.

 

 

I would put Vick in the maybe category.  He won three playoff games for the Falcons and had a fantastic 2010 year for the Eagles.  He also was selected to four pro bowls.  He's a hideous human being imo, but I consider everybody else on your no list a bust.