Trade up or bust

[QBorBust2018]

No excuse for passing on Mahomes & Watson last year. It’s always been “next year”, for the last 20 years. Obviously the most important position. Will the incompetent bills fail to get their guy after acquiring an extra first round pick ?

 

Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or bust !

 

Ill just have to start watching the WNBA after the bills fail to secure one of these guys and miss playoffs next year. 

 

Please give me a reason to buy tickets this year. 

 

Go bills !

[Seanbillsfan2206]

There is no reason to ever watch the WNBA. Ever

[Alphadawg7]

There is no reason to ever start another QB thread.  Ever.

[macaroni]

How far up do you suggest the Bills move up???

 

Which QB do you suggest the Bills target???

 

How much are you willing to give to trade up???

 

 

Your answer to those questions will determine if you should buy tickets next year ... or convert to a WNBA fan.

[Peace Frog]

1 hour ago, QBorBust2018 said:

No excuse for passing on Mahomes & Watson last year. It’s always been “next year”, for the last 20 years. Obviously the most important position. Will the incompetent bills fail to get their guy after acquiring an extra first round pick ?

 

Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or bust !

 

Ill just have to start watching the WNBA after the bills fail to secure one of these guys and miss playoffs next year. 

 

Please give me a reason to buy tickets this year. 

 

Go bills !

I think you should convert to a WNBA fan ASAP!

[KingRex]

Trading up makes sense mostly to try to satisfy whining fans, but makes little football sense.

 

This TEAM desperately needs to reload in order to:

 

A. Make one of the oldest rosters in the league (this is true even with the Bills scoring heavily in the last draft) younger( This is a huge need not only simply due to age, but older players cause larger cap hits

 

B.  Fill a # of holes left by injuries such as LCenter and older players like4 Shady being unlikely to last forever.

 

If the Bills lose their 2 first rounders and one or both of their second rounders to trade up, they not only risk that their pick will be more Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning, but even if he is as good as Peyton, the simple fact was that this talented rookie elevated his Colts from 3-13 w/o him to 3-13 w/ him his rookie year.

 

Drafting a talented rookie while not reloading this team would be like putting a Formula 1 engine into a VW bug.

 

And that's if we're lucky and he turns out not to be Andrew Luck equivalent.

 

If anything the Bills should trade down.

[N.Y. Orangeman]

1 hour ago, KingRex said:

Trading up makes sense mostly to try to satisfy whining fans, but makes little football sense.

 

This TEAM desperately needs to reload in order to:

 

A. Make one of the oldest rosters in the league (this is true even with the Bills scoring heavily in the last draft) younger( This is a huge need not only simply due to age, but older players cause larger cap hits

 

B.  Fill a # of holes left by injuries such as LCenter and older players like4 Shady being unlikely to last forever.

 

If the Bills lose their 2 first rounders and one or both of their second rounders to trade up, they not only risk that their pick will be more Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning, but even if he is as good as Peyton, the simple fact was that this talented rookie elevated his Colts from 3-13 w/o him to 3-13 w/ him his rookie year.

 

Drafting a talented rookie while not reloading this team would be like putting a Formula 1 engine into a VW bug.

 

And that's if we're lucky and he turns out not to be Andrew Luck equivalent.

 

If anything the Bills should trade down.

The logic of this continues to escape me, as we've done this exact same thing for 20+ years.   Sure, let's reload on our 7-9 or 9-7 roster in order to stay at 7-9 or 9-7.  The good organizations reload and/or rebuild around a QB and fill in with lower round finds.

[GunnerBill]

Forget about the holes.  This was a playoff team, sure it has holes but you would not be bringing a rookie QB into a dumpster fire.  And forget about Manning's 3-13 rookie year.... the NFL is far gentler to rookie QBs now than it was in 1998.  

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, KingRex said:

Trading up makes sense mostly to try to satisfy whining fans, but makes little football sense.

 

This TEAM desperately needs to reload in order to:

 

A. Make one of the oldest rosters in the league (this is true even with the Bills scoring heavily in the last draft) younger( This is a huge need not only simply due to age, but older players cause larger cap hits

 

B.  Fill a # of holes left by injuries such as LCenter and older players like4 Shady being unlikely to last forever.

 

If the Bills lose their 2 first rounders and one or both of their second rounders to trade up, they not only risk that their pick will be more Ryan Leaf than Peyton Manning, but even if he is as good as Peyton, the simple fact was that this talented rookie elevated his Colts from 3-13 w/o him to 3-13 w/ him his rookie year.

 

Drafting a talented rookie while not reloading this team would be like putting a Formula 1 engine into a VW bug.

 

And that's if we're lucky and he turns out not to be Andrew Luck equivalent.

 

If anything the Bills should trade down.

If we get the next Peyton Manning, I'm just fine going 0-13 his rookie year.

 

Hell, we can go 2-14 in his second year.

 

It's years 3-12 when he is the best QB in the league and we have a good supporting cast around him that I'm thinking about.

 

Look at Troy Aikman and the Cowboys.  They were a joke when Troy was a rookie; he got killed; they won few games.  They struggled.  They got it together and won 3 Superbowls and Troy is in the HOF.

 

That works for me.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Fadingpain

[ProcessTheTrust]

Reading this in a typical Whiner Line voice makes it almost funny. 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

With all the talk of us coveting Rosen and Darnold tells me that we are moving up to get an elite QB Regardless of  who it is, this makes me very happy, Go Bills!!!

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Forget about the holes.  This was a playoff team, sure it has holes but you would not be bringing a rookie QB into a dumpster fire.  And forget about Manning's 3-13 rookie year.... the NFL is far gentler to rookie QBs now than it was in 1998.  

 

Exactly , everyone is paranoid about the "holes" when those can be filled with free agents and the picks we don't use to trade up. We didn't get all these picks just to fill holes , we got them to get a freaking elite QB, something we haven't had since Kelly.

 

 

[Elite Poster]

Filling holes gets you a 17 year drought. Trying to get a franchise QB gets you to the playoffs, or gets you back to the top of the draft.

 

Let's stop doing more of the same. Let's stop trading guys away or let them walk in FA, only to draft people high at the same position. It is mind numbing. 

[papazoid]

buy your way out of this QB problem

 

pay Cousons $30 mil/yr and keep all your draft picks

[Bills365]

it is odd that we would pass on Watson and mahomes considering they were both on the board and then only try to trade the pick we received for the trade and a boatload of others to try to move up for another unproven? we need a qb of the future and its been long overdue for over a decade I just don't get why we didn't take are shot last year.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

The logic of this continues to escape me, as we've done this exact same thing for 20+ years.   Sure, let's reload on our 7-9 or 9-7 roster in order to stay at 7-9 or 9-7.  The good organizations reload and/or rebuild around a QB and fill in with lower round finds.

 

I don't think he's saying forget about QB,  instead first fill the other holes, then go out and get the QB

 

2 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

If we get the next Peyton Manning, I'm just fine going 0-13 his rookie year.

 

Hell, we can go 2-14 in his second year.

 

It's years 3-12 when he is the best QB in the league and we have a good supporting cast around him that I'm thinking about.

 

Sure as would just about every Bills fan out there.  But if you look at the past 25 years or so of drafting, shows the odds are much better at getting the next Ryan Leaf. 

 

So how will you feel after going 0-13, then 2-14, only to figure out in year three that this guy is no good.  So now you still have the same holes to fill and go and get another QB

 

I won't be devastated either way if they do trade up or they don't but do realize there's alot of risk in doing it, and there's a better than even chance it doesn't work out.

 

Edited February 15, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

buy your way out of this QB problem

 

pay Cousons $30 mil/yr and keep all your draft picks

When you put it that way it does sound simple. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Forget about the holes.  This was a playoff team, sure it has holes but you would not be bringing a rookie QB into a dumpster fire.  And forget about Manning's 3-13 rookie year.... the NFL is far gentler to rookie QBs now than it was in 1998.  

 

While I’m all for a trade up at all costs I think this team got lucky in quite a few games last year. Now wood and possibly Williams gone. No dareus. Alexander and incognito a year older. Gaines could leave. That being said I say fill in holes in free agency with the money saved by having your QB on a rookie deal. 

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

buy your way out of this QB problem

 

pay Cousons $30 mil/yr and keep all your draft picks

You must love hovering around .500 for years. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

While I’m all for a trade up at all costs I think this team got lucky in quite a few games last year. Now wood and possibly Williams gone. No dareus. Alexander and incognito a year older. Gaines could leave. That being said I say fill in holes in free agency with the money saved by having your QB on a rookie deal. 

 

Even so this team is not a dumpster fire. It's not like the situation the guy in Cleveland is going into.  Over the last 4 years the Bills are a game over .500.  They are not a complete disaster of a franchise which it isn't fair to bring a rookie into until they have filled a lot more holes.  That was my point really.  

[BillsMafia13]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

There is no reason to ever start another QB thread.  Ever.

Two roads you could have taken. 1) Let a new member voice his opinion and have a constructive conversation with fellow bills fans and you be on your merry way.  2) Open the thread and pile on your complaining and belly aching because you have nothing better to say.  Save your 2 cents next time .