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Vick threw for like 1800 yards in his best year in college. Jackson like 3600. Other than running it’s not a great comparison. The closer comparison is Newton but not as physical. 

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5 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Thats not how ProFootballFocus operates

Sure they do. They’re as erratic as anyone.

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8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Here's the accompanying  write up.

 

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/1/25/16931282/getting-to-know-the-2018-qb-class-lamar-jackson

 

If football fans could concoct a recipe with all of the things they demand in a franchise signal caller, they would call out the usual tropes.

 

“Big arm”.

 

“Accurate”.

 

“Throws with anticipation”.

 

“Understands defensive concepts.”..........“Pocket Presence.” .......“From Northeast Ohio and owns a dozen old Bernie Kosar jerseys”

They don’t know it, but they’re describing Lamar Jackson, the standout former Heisman trophy winner who absolutely obliterated and terrorized college defenses for the last two years.

 

…..except for the Bernie Kosar jersey thing. On the rest, hear me out.

 

The Summary:

To understand Lamar Jackson, and the type of player he is, NFL fans need to forget the cliches. The myth of durability in running quarterbacks is a thing of the past, as they’ve determined (WITH SCIENCE) that guys get injured just as frequently from the pocket as they do on the run. The “dual threat” language quarterbacks are pinned with, that is a backhanded way of saying, “Can’t be trusted executing a passing offense,” was obliterated by Deshaun Watson as he thrashed the adage and 2017 NFL defenses. “Skinny knees, won’t survive an AFCN winter” is an epithet on the tombstones of enormous, physically gifted, prototypical Browns QBs of the past as well as the small ones. Understand that Lamar Jackson defies the cliches, and is twice the passer casual NFL fans think he is.

 

Also, understand that Jackson will face the exact same litany of questions that Deshaun faced about his game, and is a better prospect in every respect.

Comparing him to Watson and saying he is a better prospect in every respect is worthy of.......:lol::lol::lol:

 

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Here's something interesting from the Josh Allen thread breakdown article:

 

https://www.diehards.com/national/film-room-josh-allen-good-bad-ugly-mysterious-nfl-draft-prospect/amp?__twitter_impression=true

"Allen’s drop percentage was 7.84 percent in 2017, per ProFootballFocus. That total puts him 20th among draft-eligible quarterbacks. It’s a figure that pales in comparison to Baker Mayfield’s 9.49 percent, Rosen’s 11 percent, and Lamar Jackson’s 12.4 percent (Yeesh, can we please get Lamar some help?)."

 

and also

 

"Allen, like many of this year’s top quarterbacks, namely Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen , is able to flip the strength of the offensive formation, or kill one play at the line of scrimmage and flip to another (run to pass or vice versa)."

 

 

 

 

Meh... maybe I'm warming up to Jackson a bit 0:) 

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6 hours ago, billspro said:

 

He doesn't have near the accuracy, pocket presence, or passing progression ability. Watson should have been the first overall pick last year. 

Last year there were concerns about Watson's ability to read defenses.  Last year there were concerns about Watson's accuracy, particularly down the field and how much arm strength he had.  There were concerns about him running as well.  All of that in the pre-draft build up.   Similar things to what we hear about Jackson now.  

 

Jackson is more explosive in all regards.  Watson though is just a winner.  He was a pro before he got drafted.  Just like Russell Wilson was.  Talent, demeanor, etc.  Watson should have gone over Trubisky, I agree.

 

I'm not saying Jackson is a better QB than Watson.  I'm simply commenting on the difference in athletic traits.  But Jackson also has an it factor.  He's just not as polished as Watson.  And he might never be.  But if he can polish his game adding that to his physical traits will allow him to be elite.  At pick 21 or 22, or for sure in the 2nd round there would be worse lottery numbers to play.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Having watched a lot of his games against both lower and top tier defenses, he shrinks against better competition. I know that his team isn't great, but the majority of his stats come against low level competition and garbage time. IMO, he doesn't keep his eyes downfield when scrambling, which separates him from many successful dual threats. I just don't trust a guy who can't win big games. 

Hey.... I saw exactly the same thing. The 40 time was from an old Louisville Cardinal site. I'm still trying to find it. What led to it was a fellow workers who said their new QB ( last name - Pass) is supposedly even better than Lamar. His words, not mine. I clearly am not a fan of Lamar "turnover".

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17 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

OMG... Avoid this possibility at all costs. After watching him the past two years ( I live in the Louisville area) we would be making yet another big mistake. He'll bring some running ability but he's slower than Taylor. Has a published college time of 4.78. He's not like Taylor in one area though, he has no problem turning the ball over. Tebow / Andre Ware II.

He blows Taylor away....please.  He will be a great pro. 

17 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

No effing chance that Lamar runs a 4.78.

Agreed, I'm betting 4.4-4.5.  He's the fastest QB I've ever seen...Vick included.  And the best arm in the draft.   Needs better accuracy...we'll see.  I'd take him in a heartbeat.

17 hours ago, buffalover4life said:

I personally love Lamar Jackson. He has a live arm and has show the ability to throw with anticipation. He is my #2 QB behind Baker mayfield, who i think is the next Drew Brees.

 

Lamar Jackson is every bit as good, or better than Vick(#1 overall pick) when he came out and I would love to see him as our selection at the 22nd pick if he makes it that far. It seems like the league is getting away from mobile QBs, so he may be available?

Jackson is going to Run sub 4.5 and he is 6' 3" with a cannon. Don't try to compare him to Tebow or Taylor, much more comparable to Vick or Newton

 

I second that......I rate Rosen and Jackson the top two QB's

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12 minutes ago, Loosh said:

He blows Taylor away....please.  He will be a great pro. 

Agreed, I'm betting 4.4-4.5.  He's the fastest QB I've ever seen...Vick included.  And the best arm in the draft.   Needs better accuracy...we'll see.  I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I second that......I rate Rosen and Jackson the top two QB's

Lamar's actually my #1 in this year's class with Darnold #2. I think with his running ability, he can play early on and he has maybe the most potential in the class (probably between him and Allen, who I view as a longer shot to ever reach his potential).

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17 hours ago, purple haze said:

You're right.  He has a stronger arm, is faster and more elusive when he runs.

 

If only measurables won games...

 

If anybody thinks that Lamar Jackson is a better QB than Deshaun Watson, they should cease watching football immediately.

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7 hours ago, CNY315 said:

But if you watched him you shouldn't even need a link to tell you he's faster than a 4.78

 

Which brings into credibility all of his statements regarding Jackson.

 

No way anybody has actually watched him (and not just read some stuff) thinks he's anything other than fast.

 

4.4-4.5 seems fair for him at the combine

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15 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

If only measurables won games...

 

If anybody thinks that Lamar Jackson is a better QB than Deshaun Watson, they should cease watching football immediately.

Last year at this time I opined on here that if you like Dak Prescott, Deshaun does everything that he does only better. Got crushed for that. While I know some people did like Watson, I distinctly remember many who wanted nothing to do with him for a lot of the reasons stated here about Lamar. 

 

With the new board i don’t think we can pull threads from last year but it would be “freezing cold take” City.

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18 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

OMG... Avoid this possibility at all costs. After watching him the past two years ( I live in the Louisville area) we would be making yet another big mistake. He'll bring some running ability but he's slower than Taylor. Has a published college time of 4.78. He's not like Taylor in one area though, he has no problem turning the ball over. Tebow / Andre Ware II.

 

I've seen comparisons that I don't think quite fit such as Vick and Cunningham. But your comparisons are just laughable and insulting. 

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Jackson looks like an intriguing prospect. I've watched a limited about of him, but he looks more decisive throwing the ball than Tyrod and throws to the middle of the field and up the seam. He looks more willing to throw into tight windows against zone versus Tyrod. 

 

His accuracy on short and intermediate throws looks pretty good, not as much on deep. When he hits receivers, they can actually gain yardage. 

 

 

One question, does he have happy feet? We've seen Tyrod bail on a fairly clean pocket a bunch of times over the past three years. Does Lamar do that? Can Lamar navigate a small pocket to buy time?

 

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5 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

Jackson looks like an intriguing prospect. I've watched a limited about of him, but he looks more decisive throwing the ball than Tyrod and throws to the middle of the field and up the seam. He looks more willing to throw into tight windows against zone versus Tyrod. 

 

His accuracy on short and intermediate throws looks pretty good, not as much on deep. When he hits receivers, they can actually gain yardage. 

 

 

One question, does he have happy feet? We've seen Tyrod bail on a fairly clean pocket a bunch of times over the past three years. Does Lamar do that? Can Lamar navigate a small pocket to buy time?

 

I read the cover 1 scouting report and i think they pointed out that he doesn’t do that 

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20 hours ago, #34fan said:

Okay, fine....  I'll support taking Lamar Jackson in the first round... - IF Bobby Petrino comes with him as part of the deal... Petrino is a truly special offensive mind, that can coach, and coordinate with the best of them... He's on my Short-list of HC candidates once the inevitable happens to McDermott.

piece of crap of a human being. We can do much better.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/1/9/5288648/bobby-petrino-louisville-scandal-timeline

 

JMO, well maybe not just mine.

 

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31 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

Jackson looks like an intriguing prospect. I've watched a limited about of him, but he looks more decisive throwing the ball than Tyrod and throws to the middle of the field and up the seam. He looks more willing to throw into tight windows against zone versus Tyrod. 

 

His accuracy on short and intermediate throws looks pretty good, not as much on deep. When he hits receivers, they can actually gain yardage. 

 

 

One question, does he have happy feet? We've seen Tyrod bail on a fairly clean pocket a bunch of times over the past three years. Does Lamar do that? Can Lamar navigate a small pocket to buy time?

 

 

I don't know if it's possible to quantify it, but I've seen countless examples of Lamar staying in the pocket even when it gets congested; it seems to me like the overwhelming majority of his runs are designed runs rather than running away from pressure. His footwork is a bit of a mess though.

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21 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

OMG... Avoid this possibility at all costs. After watching him the past two years ( I live in the Louisville area) we would be making yet another big mistake. He'll bring some running ability but he's slower than Taylor. Has a published college time of 4.78. He's not like Taylor in one area though, he has no problem turning the ball over. Tebow / Andre Ware II.

4.78? No, no, no.  You’re supposed to stop the watch when he gets to the 40, not midfield

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6 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I don't know if it's possible to quantify it, but I've seen countless examples of Lamar staying in the pocket even when it gets congested; it seems to me like the overwhelming majority of his runs are designed runs rather than running away from pressure. His footwork is a bit of a mess though.

 

That's true, appreciate the response. 

 

I watched all his throws/run video versus Miss St, his o-line did not help much that game. I liked what I saw though. As you said, definitely examples of staying in a congested pocket and making quick throws. 

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I don't pretend to know how any of these QBs will translate to the NFL, but just the fact that as many as 6 appear to be legitimate first rounders (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph), I feel a little better about the possibility of a decent option still being there at 21 without having to trade up. And, if there is a guy that the scouts like head and shoulders over the remaining 3-4 (after the first couple are drafted early), the Bills should be able to trade up without having to give away the farm.

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