Victory Formation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I think Cleveland takes Darnold #1 and I think there is a chance Barkley is there at #4. Best case scenario for Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Retain. As in sign them to longterm deals, after 5 years is up. And this is just hypothetical, but say they actually get their franchise QB at 1, then would there not be a major incentive to trade out of 4, maybe at a cheaper price. 16 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I think Cleveland takes Darnold #1 and I think there is a chance Barkley is there at #4. Best case scenario for Cleveland. I get the logic, but doubt they could keep both long-term if (and its a big if) both picks pan out. Best case scenario might be to swap 4 for 20 and 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 46 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: If Cleveland believes any of the QB's are head and shoulders above the others, they MUST take them with the #1 pick. Kizer was a dumpster fire and the possibility of 2 QB's coming off the board between 1 and 4 is just too much. But if you had Rosen, Darnold and Allen rated close to each other -- which would be the Clevelandy thing to do -- you'd be satisfied taking Barkley #1 and whichever of the three is left at #4. As for the cost of re-signing, they won't have to worry about that for 4 or 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, simool said: Joe Thomas was the first one I heard mention it, but more along the lines of if he was drafting. Then earlier this week a reporter from the orange and brown report filed a report from the senior bowl which said as much. https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Browns-make-the-hiring-of-Todd-Haley-as-offensive-coordinator-Amos-Jones-as-special-teams-coordinator-and-Freddie-Kitchens-as-running-backs-coachassociate-head-coach-official-114145188 I have read it a couple of other places I will try to dig up and post back for you. The discussion I heard was on FM 100.5 here and it was the Homer True show. There's nothing in that article that says anything about NOT taking quarterback. Hiring an OC, ST, and RB coach doesn't mean a thing in the context of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's a deep RB class and they can get a good one in later rounds, but their top priority as a franchise is to secure a QB as stated by Haslam and Dorsey. True, you don't need to pick a RB first. I'd also think about whether I need to replace Joe Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Ennjay said: But if you had Rosen, Darnold and Allen rated close to each other -- which would be the Clevelandy thing to do -- you'd be satisfied taking Barkley #1 and whichever of the three is left at #4. As for the cost of re-signing, they won't have to worry about that for 4 or 5 years. I doubt they have three QB's ranked identical, but it would be typical Cleveland dumbassery to pass on a guy that becomes a franchise QB in order to draft the third best QB that turns out to be the next big flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 And, given team needs, would they not have a much better chance of immediately supporting that qb by adding a wr or offensive lineman in the same round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I remember when my dad called us all into the living room. The Bills had just won the AFC Championship in '92. He said "I want a divorce." I got 2 Christmases for a while. Thank you! Not relevant, but funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Sign Cousins , trade down #1 for a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ennjay said: But if you had Rosen, Darnold and Allen rated close to each other -- which would be the Clevelandy thing to do -- How do you arrive at this conclusion? Does Cleveland have a history of rating guys close to each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, simool said: It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. News to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: There's nothing in that article that says anything about NOT taking quarterback. Hiring an OC, ST, and RB coach doesn't mean a thing in the context of the draft. Crap sorry man I pasted the wrong friggin link somehow. FFS Here it is https://scout.com/nfl/browns/Article/Would-John-Dorsey-take-the-best-available-player-and-possibly-pass-up-the-quarterback-at-number-one-114144681 Quote OBR insider Tony Pauline, who's at the Senior Bowl posted this in Rumor Central Wednesday. "If the draft were held today the Browns would select Saquon Barkley with the first pick then see what fell to them at pick number four. They believe Barkley is a difference maker." Dorsey was asked at the Senior Bowl if he would consider taking Josh Rosen with the first pick, even if he didn't want to come to the Browns. "That's a hypothetical because I always take the best available player," Dorsey said. "If it was there and we as an organization felt comfortable that we were gonna select him, we'd select him. "That's how that works." Edited January 26, 2018 by simool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, MURPHD6 said: I get the logic, but doubt they could keep both long-term if (and its a big if) both picks pan out. Best case scenario might be to swap 4 for 20 and 21. Winning cures everything. If Darnold and Barkley are successful, probably means Cleveland is in the playoffs. I can't think of two positions that can take over a game more than QB and RB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Jauronimo said: You shouldn't draft guys that you think will be franchise type players because they will leave??? It’s the Browns....so....maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s the Browns....so....maybe? ...is it true that their BIG BOARD is actually a black top hat with all eligibles' names in it?......let Copperfield draw............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: Winning cures everything. If Darnold and Barkley are successful, probably means Cleveland is in the playoffs. I can't think of two positions that can take over a game more than QB and RB. Yes sir. Anyone thinking that the Buffalo Bills are in a position to trade with Cleveland for the 4th I think are fooling themselves. Cleveland is not selling this year, they are buying. They have too many top 65 picks already, they are not going to go out and look for more. They may trade the 4th to Denver of NYJ but the farthest they would go down the board (for teams wanting a QB) would be Washington. They have 7 picks in the top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Yes sir. Anyone thinking that the Buffalo Bills are in a position to trade with Cleveland for the 4th I think are fooling themselves. Cleveland is not selling this year, they are buying. They have too many top 65 picks already, they are not going to go out and look for more. They may trade the 4th to Denver of NYJ but the farthest they would go down the board (for teams wanting a QB) would be Washington. They have 7 picks in the top 100. Given that they have been moneyballing their rebuild, I wouldn't put it past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, MURPHD6 said: Given that they have been moneyballing their rebuild, I wouldn't put it past them. They got new guys in charge. "Past results do not guarantee future results"! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: Given that they have been moneyballing their rebuild, I wouldn't put it past them. If you're talking about the Browns, the Moneyball regime is out with Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith running things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If you're talking about the Browns, the Moneyball regime is out with Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith running things. Football guys are now in charge and the experiment is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, Dalton said: Football guys are now in charge and the experiment is over. Directly to the point I made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 hours ago, simool said: It is pretty much common knowledge that they are going to take Barkley 1st. A quick survey of the last twenty mock drafts on the Walterfootball database shows 4 of them have Saquon Barkley going to the Browns with the first pick. Sixteen mocks have them picking a QB. It is possible that Cleveland will pick Barkley, and that could be good for the Bills' QB hopes, and it might even be the right pick, but among media types and fans alike it most assuredly is not common knowledge that they are picking Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, TigerJ said: A quick survey of the last twenty mock drafts on the Walterfootball database shows 4 of them have Saquon Barkley going to the Browns with the first pick. Sixteen mocks have them picking a QB. It is possible that Cleveland will pick Barkley, and that could be good for the Bills' QB hopes, and it might even be the right pick, but among media types and fans alike it most assuredly is not common knowledge that they are picking Barkley. Mocks are just that, mocks. Take the time to read the rest of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, simool said: Mocks are just that, mocks. Take the time to read the rest of the thread. Absolutely, but they still represent what their authors think will happen, and that disproves your original post, that everybody knows the Browns are going to pick Barkley. Dorsey hasn't tipped his hand yet, and unless somebody has inside info, nobody's going to know for sure until he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Simple rules for NFL success: 1) Don't take franchise players because they will be expensive and want to leave. 2) Don't win games against the other conference because they don't help with playoff tiebreakers. Hey, don't laugh, this is how Cleveland got to be in such a position of power in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 13 hours ago, MURPHD6 said: Retain. As in sign them to longterm deals, after 5 years is up. Why would you be concerned about something so far in to the future? A lot will happen in 5 years...salary cap increases.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob&Doug Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Barkley #1......will give Colts whatever it takes to switch places.....QB #3.....Browns can outbid anyone for the #3 slot and Indy would be idiots not to start a bidding war for #3, drive up the price then move down 1 spot and still get their guy plus addition picks Image Barkley and either Rosen or Darnold to start the draft jmo Edited January 27, 2018 by Bob&Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, nucci said: Why would you be concerned about something so far in to the future? A lot will happen in 5 years...salary cap increases.... Because alot of teams with franchise QBs are cap poor and the NFL is trending that way. Look at Detroit, for example. Arguably, they would better of getting two solid 10-15 year starters at positions where the talent drop off is steeper than 1 pro bowl rb who might walk after his rookie confract is up, when starting rbs can be had much later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Don't they also have around $100 million in cap space? Pretty sure they will manage. now find quality players who want to play there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 Reaching or wiffing on round 1 to 3 picks is what gets teams into trouble, by the way. Not trading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 57 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: now find quality players who want to play there They now have a solid front office. If they hit on the 1 and 4 picks it really wouldn't take much to change the culture. Put it like this, a guy like Le'von Bell. Wants to get paid and paid huge. If he were to reach the FA market they have the money and the chance to play the Steelers twice a year which would certainly appeal to Bell. He would sign. Or a guy like Jarvis Landry. Yea, he's a dirty player and I detest him. But the guy is a talent. And is looking to get paid. He could easily sign with a team like Cleveland. Could include Cousins in on that. He's a guy that is looking for a huge payday. Could get that there if he reaches FA. Now, I'm certainly not saying the Brows would go after and sign all 3, but they have the funds to pay and pay big. QB: Cousins RB: Bell WR 1: Landry WR 2: Gordon/Coleman Pretty enticing for other FAs to be a part of that. As I said, wouldn't take much and they have more than enough cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 19 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Come on man. No way they'll take two QBs with as much help as they need all over the roster. Not much different than taking a QB at #1 & then trading #4 for picks. Taking a QB also at #4 & trading him for picks would be mostly the same as trading the #4 pick. But, why do that when you can just trade the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billykay said: Not much different than taking a QB at #1 & then trading #4 for picks. Taking a QB also at #4 & trading him for picks would be mostly the same as trading the #4 pick. But, why do that when you can just trade the pick. It's completely different. They have already accumulated plenty of picks. It's time to acquire players to rebuild their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's completely different. They have already accumulated plenty of picks. It's time to acquire players to rebuild their roster. I agree with you, 26. I was only commenting that taking 2 QBs and trading one isn't much different than taking one & trading the 2nd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, billykay said: I agree with you, 26. I was only commenting that taking 2 QBs and trading one isn't much different than taking one & trading the 2nd pick. I don't believe they can afford to do that with the state of their franchise. They have a lot of cap space in addition to premium picks that they need to hit on to make their team competitive as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't believe they can afford to do that with the state of their franchise. They have a lot of cap space in addition to premium picks that they need to hit on to make their team competitive as soon as possible. Also with Dorsey stepping in as GM, he might not trade out of those picks. He might want to start winning now and take a QB and BPA at 4. He has not loyalty to Kizer or the previous regime. Hes basically walking into a buffet of draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Also with Dorsey stepping in as GM, he might not trade out of those picks. He might want to start winning now and take a QB and BPA at 4. He has not loyalty to Kizer or the previous regime. Hes basically walking into a buffet of draft picks. That makes the most sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, billykay said: I agree with you, 26. I was only commenting that taking 2 QBs and trading one isn't much different than taking one & trading the 2nd pick. The big difference is that teams’ rookie caps are based on the actual slots they pick at. Say the Browns picked Darnold or Rosen at 1, then Allen or Mayfield at 4 before trading him to a team picking much later in the first. The Browns would have a much larger rookie pool than they needed (no real problem there), but the team trading up would have some real difficulties with that QB’s contract. They couldn’t pay him like the 4th overall pick because of the rules for rookie pools and rookie contracts. Thus it would be prohibitively difficult for a team to make a big trade for a player already drafted by a team. The Browns only trading partners would be the team’s with the next 2 or 3 picks. 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't believe they can afford to do that with the state of their franchise. They have a lot of cap space in addition to premium picks that they need to hit on to make their team competitive as soon as possible. The Browns plan is to add a vet and take a QB at 1 unless they find a FQB in free agency. I can’t imagine that they think Cousins is such a player, but you never know....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Good piece on John Dorsey with the decision to move up to take Mahomes and what he might do in the upcoming draft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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