GG Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Kiper is entertaining. Clueless, but entertaining. Who the hell is Mel Kiper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, GG said: Who the hell is Mel Kiper? I give him credit for recognizing that people would want draft info, and finding that niche. But he has no better idea than you or I what would make a good NFL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Who the hell is Mel Kiper? Bill Tobin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think all that hair varnish he's been using for decades has rotted his brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Well, yeah, but you're really slanting things your way. Sure Stafford was a 57% passer - career - but he improved every year and his senior year he was a 61% passer while holding a superb YPA of 9.0. His 57% had a lot more to do with his 51% freshman year when he had almost a 1:2 TD:INT ratio. Awful. But by his last year he was much much better. Had a few positives too, though. "STRENGTHS Positives: Perhaps a bit shorter than preferred, but has excellent bulk and strength for the position. ... Durable performer who never missed a college game due to injury, despite a leaky offensive line. ... Efficient footwork and depth on his drop from center. ... Quick to scan the field and go through his progressions. ... Elite arm strength. ... Can make all the throws and shows power and toughness getting the ball deep even when defenders are closing and making contact. ... Consistent with excellent accuracy to all levels of the field. ... Consistent placing the deep out on the far shoulder of his receiver, away from the defender. ... Has good deep accuracy and trajectory. ... Lofts the ball high enough to allow his receiver to run under it. ... Aggressive, but has developed into a smarter passer over his career and will take what the defense gives him by dropping to his second and third options. ... Learning to look off the safety. ... Underrated core strength. ... Keeps his eyes downfield and will step up in the pocket and is willing to take a hit to complete the pass. ... Surprisingly nimble in the pocket and can avoid the rush. ... Underrated straight-line speed and will take what the defense gives him. ... Takes his own success and that of the team very seriously. ... Extremely competitive. ... Team captain. ... Undefeated in bowl games. Negatives: Can get fundamentally lazy... ... Though he has an efficient overall release, should be able to speed it up for underneath screens passes to take better advantage of the surprise to the defense. ... Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... ... Willing to throw into tight spots, though more often than not he places the ball where it needs to be... ... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch." The issue we were discussing was whether a QB with low college completion % and bad ‘fundamentals’ could succeed in the pros, not whether Stafford improved throughout his college career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Not real familiar with New Arena but this is a pretty interesting mock draft. I figured I'd put it here rather than start a new thread. http://newarena.com/nfl/2018-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-who-will-your-favorite-team-select/?amxt=fbdt_avnt2 Here's what they have for the Bills: Christian Kirk WR Texas A&M As we saw in the playoff loss to the Jaguars, Buffalo is in desperate need of some skill within its receiver corps. Kelvin Benjamin’s conditioning is a huge question mark going forward. Apologies to Deonte Thompson, but he’s not anything more than a third receiver (at best). Kirk would offer Buffalo a true game-breaker. He can line up at any spot – whether it’s in the slot, or on the perimeter. Having elite ball skills and sublime quickness, Kirk is supremely slippery with the ball in his hands. His value is increased even further with terrific skill in the return game. Buffalo would do very well to land him at this point in the draft. Should the Bills move on from Tyrod Taylor, Mason Rudolph could get a look here. and: Christian Wilkins DT Clemson Kyle Williams has long been the heartbeat of the Bills’ franchise. His entire 11-year career has been played in Buffalo, and the 5-time Pro Bowler has been more than impactful both on and off the field. However, at 34 years of age, it may be time for Buffalo to draft his eventual replacement. Enter Wilkins – a versatile defender with an intriguing skill-set. The 6’4” 300-pounder can virtually play anywhere along the defensive front. Though a nice athlete, Wilkins also plays with a low center of gravity. This enables him to be solid against the run. With the big game experience he’s collected at Clemson, expect Wilkins to make an impact early in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Like him or hate him I understand his thinking. Normally they set it up for McShay to just go right at him when they are contradicting each other. The truth is both feel Allen has the highest potential with the most natural tools than any Qb. Darnold and Rosen both have their flaws so it is not obscene for Cleveland to go with the northern Qb with the thickest frame and strongest arm. This also would be what Buffalo needs to get Rosen or Darnold. Edited January 19, 2018 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The decision makers can change but given recent history and as a franchise relative to its fanbase I would not be at all surprised if the Browns are reluctant to pick a QB first overall who is patently a boom or bust prospect. I would speculate that they are risk averse and more likely to go with perhaps a player with a slightly lower ceiling but less risky. Rosen is the closest to a sure thing but somehow I see him more in NY as a Giant than suiting up as a Brown. Rosen at #1 and Barkely at #4 looks pretty darn good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I don't get all the Rosen love i think he's to frail to play the position in the NFL. I see mutiple broken bones in his future and no 2nd contract because he will just quit. He throws a pretty pass but that doesn't alone project to elite QB play in the NFL. I also don't like his attitude and not because he speaks his mind. Its his mannerisms that concern me. He just seems like a Cutler/ George type i don't want nothing to do with him. Re: Rosen, it's refreshing to see a poster see the same things I see. He'd rather play tennis than football. He's fragile and injury prone. And Mora had to coddle and protect JR from media concerns. Comparing him to Cutler is more accurate than you'll ever know. I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) On 1/18/2018 at 8:42 AM, Dalton said: If this happens then you call Cleveland quick to make a deal. I have a hard time with Allen's accuracy and why does it improve in the NFL. I know coaching is the answer but tough to change. What would you be willing to give up in a deal for that 4th pick? I think the Browns are going to want both picks 21 and 22, The Bills 2nd round pick this year, and the Bills 1st next year. Ideally, I would be more comfortable giving up the Rams 2nd rounder and a 2nd rounder next year for such a deal (On top of the 2 firsts of course.) But QB's you do need to pay that premium for. Although that would compromise the rest of the roster (since you bankrupt this draft and hurt next years draft) but the one position you do that for is QB. That would be an insane haul of picks for the Browns if they got those Bills picks. They would have picks 1, 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 63, and 65 on top of having extra picks in the 4th and 5th rounds from Carolina and KC. Plus they would add a 1st rounder in next years draft setting up another draft. Edited January 19, 2018 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Am I the only one out there who sees a noticeable hitch in Rosen’s throwing motion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Re: Rosen, it's refreshing to see a poster see the same things I see. He'd rather play tennis than football. He's fragile and injury prone. And Mora had to coddle and protect JR from media concerns. Comparing him to Cutler is more accurate than you'll ever know. I'll pass. Good Jay cutler is better than any Qb play Buffalo has had since Kelly. Rosen is the best passer of the football in the draft. He isnt big but as a pro athlete he has time and room to add muscle to his frame. His frame is a bit of a concern. The concussion thing is even larger a concern to me. If he passes the medicals and background checks and is willing to add some muscle i would go all in on Rosen. 8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: What would you be willing to give up in a deal for that 4th pick? I think the Browns are going to want both picks 21 and 22, The Bills 2nd round pick this year, and the Bills 1st next year. Ideally, I would be more comfortable giving up the Rams 2nd rounder and a 2nd rounder next year for such a deal (On top of the 2 firsts of course.) But QB's you do need to pay that premium for. Although that would compromise the rest of the roster (since you bankrupt this draft and hurt next years draft) but the one position you do that for is QB. That would be an insane haul of picks for the Browns if they got those Bills picks. They would have picks 1, 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 63, and 65 on top of having extra picks in the 4th and 5th rounds from Carolina and KC. Plus they would add a 1st rounder in next years draft setting up another draft. Yes i would to that for any of the three QBs Rosen, Allen, o Darnold. Imo they are a step above Jackson and Mayfield. Those 2 would be my plan c. Unable to get Cousins or Luck i would look to move to in to the top 3 or 4. unable to secure a trade i would look to move up a spot or 2 to land Mayfield or Jackson. I am not that high on Mayfield but like the potential Jackson would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, starrymessenger said: The decision makers can change but given recent history and as a franchise relative to its fanbase I would not be at all surprised if the Browns are reluctant to pick a QB first overall who is patently a boom or bust prospect. I would speculate that they are risk averse and more likely to go with perhaps a player with a slightly lower ceiling but less risky. Rosen is the closest to a sure thing but somehow I see him more in NY as a Giant than suiting up as a Brown. Rosen at #1 and Barkely at #4 looks pretty darn good to me. I don't know. Clowns use the strategy of draft a QB high every year until you hit. Obviously Kizer is a bust. Time to take another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Good Jay cutler is better than any Qb play Buffalo has had since Kelly. Rosen is the best passer of the football in the draft. He isnt big but as a pro athlete he has time and room to add muscle to his frame. His frame is a bit of a concern. The concussion thing is even larger a concern to me. If he passes the medicals and background checks and is willing to add some muscle i would go all in on Rosen. Yes i would to that for any of the three QBs Rosen, Allen, o Darnold. Imo they are a step above Jackson and Mayfield. Those 2 would be my plan c. Unable to get Cousins or Luck i would look to move to in to the top 3 or 4. unable to secure a trade i would look to move up a spot or 2 to land Mayfield or Jackson. I am not that high on Mayfield but like the potential Jackson would have. 10 I think that's honestly what the Bills plan to do. I think they plan on trading up with Cleveland at pick 4 for the other QB left on the board. I think the Browns will demand both firsts, plus a second, plus next years first. That would be an insane haul for them (Giving them 3 1st round picks and 4 second round picks while still having an extra 1st in 2019 in their back pockets.) But should the Bills pay such an insane price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: What would you be willing to give up in a deal for that 4th pick? I think the Browns are going to want both picks 21 and 22, The Bills 2nd round pick this year, and the Bills 1st next year. Ideally, I would be more comfortable giving up the Rams 2nd rounder and a 2nd rounder next year for such a deal (On top of the 2 firsts of course.) But QB's you do need to pay that premium for. Although that would compromise the rest of the roster (since you bankrupt this draft and hurt next years draft) but the one position you do that for is QB. That would be an insane haul of picks for the Browns if they got those Bills picks. They would have picks 1, 21, 22, 33, 35, 53, 63, and 65 on top of having extra picks in the 4th and 5th rounds from Carolina and KC. Plus they would add a 1st rounder in next years draft setting up another draft. If Baker Mayfield is available with the 4th pick I'd give up the compensation you described (three firsts and a second). I think Mayfield is going to be a really good NFL QB. I think he's got all the tools and the mental makeup to be a good franchise QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Am I the only one out there who sees a noticeable hitch in Rosen’s throwing motion? I think his throwing mechanics are very good. Very smooth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Good twitter thread on Josh Allen here: A couple highlights: I'm not seeing it with him at all. If you mixed EJ Manuel with Tyrod Taylor this is what you would get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Why in heaven's name would we want to draft an inaccurate QB (Allen) when we already have 2 under contract? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Here's to hoping Kiper is correct on Allen going No. 1 overall - Push the real QBs down! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Good twitter thread on Josh Allen here: I'm not seeing it with him at all. If you mixed EJ Manuel with Tyrod Taylor this is what you would get. Allen is a really bad QB. I don't care how far he can throw the ball or how fast he is, his college game film is worse than EJ's. He's a great athlete, but his mechanics are horrendous, his accuracy is scattershot and he has few natural instincts for the game. I don't see anything that translates to future NFL Franchise QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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