NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 34 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: The only DTs I see with NFL potential are.... Da’Ron Payne - All around stud little weakness, not as quick as Bryan, but does it all. Taven Bryan - Pass rush, Quick off the Ball, penetrates, strong hands, arm length a plus. Both can split double teams. Not overly impressed by Vita Vea, Hurst or Wilkins. Vita is mainly a hold your ground take on double teams, limited pass rush, sometimes in games is never seen. Hurst is undersized, decent get off, limited pass rush and struggles for the most part with double teams. Wilkins I feel is a more compact Alophus Washington. Little more stout but just doesn’t pop off. Hey I like Payne a lot even though his stats don't show much but I think he's being undersold in light of guys like Vita. I'm a Payne fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 vea just looks like a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Both. 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: Vea is not a "3-TECH" DT so does not fit the system. Sorry folks. Hurst, Wilkins and Nnadi are players that fit the defense. Wilkins is a junior from Clemson, and Bills have bad luck with Clemson players, Nnadi is a senior and fits the system. They need a "1-TECH" more than a "3-TECH" especially if they keep Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Payne is better than both Bills won’t have a chance at Payne. He comes off the board early, pick 10 give or take. Bryan comes off around 15 give or take. Vita, Wilkins will be next 18-25 range and Hurst shortly after. If the Bills we’re picking 12th, the question could be Payne or Bryan. Fans may disagree with Taven, but after the combine, and seeing this 6’5 300+ kid workout, he’ll move way up teams boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Both. They need a "1-TECH" more than a "3-TECH" especially if they keep Kyle. Still going to need a 3 tech too. Kyle is old in football years. Not sure I would want to have him at full time duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Still going to need a 3 tech too. Kyle is old in football years. Not sure I would want to have him at full time duty. I agree but they were playing Lawson at 3Tech in their pass rush packages. They like 4 ends at times so they need longer ends and a 1tech more than a 3tech. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I like them both. Hurst is ferocious. Vea is massive. I'd pick Vea because 1) he's Ted Washington 3.0 and 2) his presence on the line can make the linebacker corps an elite unit without elite individual talent. I think Hurst needs a legitimate nose tackle body next to him to be elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1Zay, Thanks for the heads up on Bryan. Hadn't seen any of him at all. But found some snaps vs UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 can't teach size and strength Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Vea only AFTER we have a QB and sign Star I think we should grab him at 21!!!!! We may not have another shot at him for at least 10 minutes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I don't think he will drop to us but Vita Vea would kill Tom Brady. He may not get a ton of sacks but he will kill the oppositions running game and destroy the place where Brady and Bree's like to step into to throw perfect strikes. Vita is a no brainer but I doubt he makes it to us. Has he killed any QB's on the college level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, sjjr said: Vea would fit great as a run stuffer in this defense. The LBs need guys like him to fly around and make plays. Vea has enough athleticism to be a pass rush threat too. Would be a top 10 pick if not a NT. The problem is, we actually need 2-3 linebackers who CAN fly around and make plays...so, besides Milano, where are we getting those? We rebuilt the entire secondary last offseason, I'd like to do the same this offseason with our group of linebackers. I want a legitimate stud LB, a 1st or 2nd round beast to put in the front-7...too bad Roquan Smith wouldn't fall far enough, he's the only real stud that fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hurst is excellent at getting to the QB, some poster said he was only 270 but he's listed at 282 lbs. on his college bio page which is still under weight by quite a bit, he'd have to add 20 lbs to his frame, will he have the same burst at 300 lbs.? That's a risky 1st round pick. Like another poster wrote about Vea, he's strictly a NT in a 3 tech. so he doesn't fit in with what were doing here but he's better than Danny Shelton and will be a steal for a team in the mid to late 1st or early 2nd round. I think Christian Wilkins will be long gone by the time our pick is up. I'd be more inclined to take Dre'Mont Jones- Ohio State, Trenton Thompson- Georgia or Derrick Nadi of Florida State in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Can Vea play the 3? Everything I’ve been reading says he’s a pure NT. Hurst seems like the better scheme fit but Vea is a monster of a man and the better run stuffer so he gets the votes? can someone with knowledge explain why he IS a fit in our scheme? Don’t just answer with, he’s good run stuffer and we need help stopping the run. I realize that. With regards to fits, how does he work in this scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Hurst fits the system perfectly I read somewhere ? I like the big DT/NT types as well though. Edited January 11, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Sign a FA QB and then draft both DT back to back! Get the benefits of both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, NewEra said: Can Vea play the 3? Everything I’ve been reading says he’s a pure NT. Hurst seems like the better scheme fit but Vea is a monster of a man and the better run stuffer so he gets the votes? can someone with knowledge explain why he IS a fit in our scheme? Don’t just answer with, he’s good run stuffer and we need help stopping the run. I realize that. With regards to fits, how does he work in this scheme? When you are talking 1 tech and 3 tech both of them fit. Hurst is a 3 tech only in our defense. And honestly, this is where Aldophus Washington should play ONLY. When we traded Dareus the biggest issue and part of the reason we gave up a lot of yards IMO is because we did not have a true 1 tech who could anchor inside. So we got gashed. The playoff game was a gamble. We had our linebackers selling out every play because of this. The jags had so many guys open on play action. Bortles just either missed them or had bad throws. That game could have been ugly for us if Bortles was accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 There is clip floating around of Vea tossing a 300 lb man around like a child. He is a beast. Love to see him in a Bills uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Mike Mayock on a website broke down some of Vita Vea and basically said he's an ox in the middle...incredibly strong. He showed a few plays where Vea just moved a 300+ lineman out of the way like the guy was a rag doll. It wasn't a full body, get under the pads push....he just grabbed him and threw him. imagine what he could do with some NFL line training/coaching. Esp. from K. Williams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, simool said: There is clip floating around of Vea tossing a 300 lb man around like a child. He is a beast. Love to see him in a Bills uniform. I saw that clip and was like..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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