SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do your homework before posting falsehoods. A it was the truth B. Learn to laugh a little. My question when is this measured? When the read should be made or after holding the ball for a few seconds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Luka said: Well when you turn your back on a play and run to one side of the field or the other, you're already giving the defense half the field to cover. And when you finally do release the ball, most of the routes have ended and it's just guys running around. I would say it's the opposite, when QBs extend the play that's when you see receivers get wide open. Tyrod has made that happen more than a few times. A common belief about Tyrod is he waits until receivers become college open before he throws the ball, but this statistic proves that is way off. Anyone can look at the film and see the receivers aren't getting separation. Not that it matters, Tyrod will be gone next year and hopefully we have a better receiving corps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Also: what is this supposed to prove? On this chart, New England and Detroit are 29th and 30th while being the 2nd and 6th most productive passing offenses respectively. Pittsburgh and Chicago have the exact same separation distance but are polar opposites in terms of the pass game. Same with New Orleans and Baltimore...what exactly are we supposed draw from this stat? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Also: what is this supposed to prove? On this chart, New England and Detroit are 29th and 30th while being the 2nd and 6th most productive passing offenses respectively. Pittsburgh and Chicago have the exact same separation distance but are polar opposites in terms of the pass game. Same with New Orleans and Baltimore...what exactly are we supposed draw from this stat? One more year !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Ok I think there is more to this that you are missing and I will give you some examples. 1. Checking down the ball a lot. 2. Separation is down field more then within 10 yard throws 3. Tyrod throwing to wrong Receivers. How many times did he throw to a receiver short and see people wide open down field? 4. How many passes did Taylor throw deep this year? 5. This is the important one. Injuries. How beat up was our WR core to those that are higher on the list? I value much of what you post and usually I read and have good reads and let it be but not on this one. To many variables to just say how bad our WR's are because of this statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Ok I think there is more to this that you are missing and I will give you some examples. 1. Checking down the ball a lot. 2. Separation is down field more then within 10 yard throws 3. Tyrod throwing to wrong Receivers. How many times did he throw to a receiver short and see people wide open down field? 4. How many passes did Taylor throw deep this year? 5. This is the important one. Injuries. How beat up was our WR core to those that are higher on the list? I value much of what you post and usually I read and have good reads and let it be but not on this one. To many variables to just say how bad our WR's are because of this statistic. These are non-factors in what the numbers represent. Edited January 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: Ok I think there is more to this that you are missing and I will give you some examples. 1. Checking down the ball a lot. 2. Separation is down field more then within 10 yard throws 3. Tyrod throwing to wrong Receivers. How many times did he throw to a receiver short and see people wide open down field? 4. How many passes did Taylor throw deep this year? 5. This is the important one. Injuries. How beat up was our WR core to those that are higher on the list? I value much of what you post and usually I read and have good reads and let it be but not on this one. To many variables to just say how bad our WR's are because of this statistic. How about the fact that separation isn't really useful in determining anything other than, you know...the distance between the wideout and the DB. So yes, a guy like Tyreek Hill is going to get more separation than your average WR because he runs a lot of go routes and is one of the fastest players in the league, whereas I'd wager Kelce's separation distance is next to nil...which doesn't mean anything except they're different players who are doing different things. Larry Fitzgerald probably doesn't have much separation distance and it doesn't matter because he's so sophisticated at playing leverage, while Marquise Goodwin probably has a ton because he's quick but has below average physicality and technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, 34-78-83 said: It means the chicken AND the egg are both part of the problem. Brandon Bean "lots of hands in the cookie jar" 34-78-83 "chicken AND egg", I had no idea Football was so alimentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Statistical bull **** like this has no meaning on a team where Tyrod Taylor is the QB. 2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: "Do your homework before posting falsehoods"LOL LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Is this for every receiver on every route or only those receivers that were targeted? Several very good teams with great QBs toward the bottom of that list. Just goes to show how a great QB can make their receivers look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, hemma said: 5 yard passes don't require a whole lot of separation. Yeah, that is a statistic that needs to be examined in context. You are right. If your QB is making mostly short passes defensive backs will not be playing off coverage that often because they don't want to be that far away when you catch the ball. The other fact that may be related is that Tyrod takes more time to release the ball than any other QB. I'm hearing commentators all the time saying that because Tyrod took so much time finding a receiver, the DB had an opportunity to recover when he had been beaten. It is possible that receivers are culpable too in the failure to have separation when the ball is passed, and there could be other factors as well, but this stat by no means lets Tyrod off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 OMG, still trying to find ways to paint TT in good light....here is a stat that pissed off a fellow tt supporter of yours. Lets see if you like it. In your boys 23 wins, how many came without a def TO to gifts yards and points? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I try to be a silver lining kind of guy. Bills receivers are able to tie their shoes faster whilst standing faster than any receiving corps in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Our WRs suck. No ****. Of course this turned into a Tyrod sucks thread some how. 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This thread isn't about him at all even though some will inevitably attempt to hijack it into one. As predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Hmm... I wonder hw that works with a conservative QB who doesn’t force into tight windows? Or does it imply everyone played man coverage? Im not sure exactly what it means but it’s a nifty stat and it means something unflattering about our offense, route trees, opposing coverage concepts or wr ability Is that all receivers at time of throw or just the target? How is it measured? Theres a lot missing from this nifty stat but it’s not shocking that a relatively slow group with multiple guys joining mid year starting by year end would not rate highly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Also: what is this supposed to prove? On this chart, New England and Detroit are 29th and 30th while being the 2nd and 6th most productive passing offenses respectively. Pittsburgh and Chicago have the exact same separation distance but are polar opposites in terms of the pass game. Same with New Orleans and Baltimore...what exactly are we supposed draw from this stat? Passing in tight coverage does work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 What do we honestly expect from an entire WR corps that’s practice squad level and a WR in Benjamin who is having surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do your homework before posting falsehoods. He was just using his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: He was just using his eyes. He should see an eye doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He should see an eye doctor. Sure. Short short short, deep incomplete. Short short short... Doesn’t really say much does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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