DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 no, no, no and no. dennison has to go. taylor may may be here to compete for the position this off season but I think they will cut ties with him through a trade, say 5th or 6th rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I think Tyrod is gone after this year. Tyrod is a great athlete, but McDermott and Dennison want a better passer who primarily works out of the pocket, anticipates route timing, throws with anticipation, and reads opposing defenses, which is not Tyrod's strength. You mean a guy who can play QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 When Taylor can finish a game strong then maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-bad-pass-percentage/2016/ Quarterback Bad Pass Percentage measures the percentage of a quartebacks pass attempts that were considered to be poorly thrown (otherwise known as un-catchable) and leads to an incompleted pass. Bad Pass % = badly thrown passes/pass attempts The fewest passes in the NFL 3 years running (passing) and 19.95 % are not catchable. Edited December 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 This is what happened last season. He played a couple of decent games at the end of the year and everyone was on the Tyrod train. "Draft defense and he will get us into the playoffs", "the light has come on", "he isn't the problem". The truth us Tyrod is still what he was year one. His season by season performances actually deviate very little. He will have spells where he plays good football (he particularly seems to enjoy playing the Dolphins for some reason) and games where he really struggles to move the offense. And when you strip the context and the other factors away that is still the truth you are left with. He is a serviceable, capable NFL starting Quarterback. What he isn't is a guy who will ever give you a chance to be a contender. Could he have that one year where it all clicks with a good supporting cast - "the Keenum effect" - yes he could. But you have to play the percentages and drafting around him to hope for the lightening in a bottle type season is not a sensible approach. Even despite the difficulty in finding a true franchise QB the odds of that are greater than the lightening in a bottle. Tyrod was not THE problem in 2015 or 2016..... he hasn't been THE problem in 2017 either. But his play does not raise the level of those around him and when that is what you are saying about your Quarterback it is A problem. I have no problem at all with keeping Tyrod for the final year of his deal in 2018 as the bridge / backup to your rookie Quarterback. I don't think either side has much of an appetite for that to happen though. Tyrod probably feels like he has played well enough to have the opportunity to start for a different team in 2018 who don't see him as a sitting duck.... but the teams rumoured to be interested last summer were the teams we all knew were going to be bad - Cleveland, Chicago, Denver, New York Jets..... I suspect the market for him looks similar this offseason too. That might still be preferable to Tyrod than being here as the sitting duck for a staff, fanbase and organisation that doesn't truly believe in him in 2018. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-bad-pass-percentage/2016/ Quarterback Bad Pass Percentage measures the percentage of a quartebacks pass attempts that were considered to be poorly thrown (otherwise known as un-catchable) and leads to an incompleted pass. Bad Pass % = badly thrown passes/pass attempts The fewest passes in the NFL 3 years running (passing) and 19.95 % are not catchable. Those are all drops from zay jones, come on! Edited December 19, 2017 by Pbomb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: This is what happened last season. He played a couple of decent games at the end of the year and everyone was on the Tyrod train. "Draft defense and he will get us into the playoffs", "the light has come on", "he isn't the problem". The truth us Tyrod is still what he was year one. His season by season performances actually deviate very little. He will have spells where he plays good football (he particularly seems to enjoy playing the Dolphins for some reason) and games where he really struggles to move the offense. And when you strip the context and the other factors away that is still the truth you are left with. He is a serviceable, capable NFL starting Quarterback. What he isn't is a guy who will ever give you a chance to be a contender. Could he have that one year where it all clicks with a good supporting cast - "the Keenum effect" - yes he could. But you have to play the percentages and drafting around him to hope for the lightening in a bottle type season is not a sensible approach. Even despite the difficulty in finding a true franchise QB the odds of that are greater than the lightening in a bottle. Tyrod was not THE problem in 2015 or 2016..... he hasn't been THE problem in 2017 either. But his play does not raise the level of those around him and when that is what you are saying about your Quarterback it is A problem. I have no problem at all with keeping Tyrod for the final year of his deal in 2018 as the bridge / backup to your rookie Quarterback. I don't think either side has much of an appetite for that to happen though. Tyrod probably feels like he has played well enough to have the opportunity to start for a different team in 2018 who don't see him as a sitting duck.... but the teams rumoured to be interested last summer were the teams we all knew were going to be bad - Cleveland, Chicago, Denver, New York Jets..... I suspect the market for him looks similar this offseason too. That might still be preferable to Tyrod than being here as the sitting duck for a staff, fanbase and organisation that doesn't truly believe in him in 2018. He isn't a problem nor is he the solution, hence we need a better QB. I'd love if we could some how land Rosen but that's highly unlikely unless Cleveland again passes on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) seems there is a thread on this already WRT Zay sucking. 5 minutes ago, Pbomb said: Those are all drops from zay jones, come on! Edited December 19, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 No. He is never going to be the guy who anticipates and throws before the receiver makes his break. Those great wheels will not last forever and then he will be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I have been a big time Taylor supporter, my reasoning has always been that he is the best option available to Buffalo. If Taylor has 2 (hopefully much more in playoffs) quality games after a quality start last week do we use our draft capital to build around him ? I personally would love to build around him. He's now 21-19 with mostly below average defense. Build on that D, add a cpl weapons on O and I think he can get 10 wins on a regular basis, but I do understand he needs to show consistentcy. If he closes out the year with 3 or more quality starts in a row, I think he must stay ,along with Dennison. Unless of course our staff sees a can't miss QB prospect, I'd rather draft a 2nd -3rd rounder and keep a guy that doesn't turn the ball over and if game planned right can use his feet as well as his arm to get wins...This week will show me alot about Taylor/Dennison,on the road , biggest game in a decade , this could keep both of them in Bills gear for 2018 imo... I agree with the idea of building a team with all the picks as opposed to moving up on a QB who may or may not work out. But personally I'd prefer you go with Peterman next year, and draft a QB in the 2nd/3rd round Sorry as good decent as TT has looked some games including this week, 2 games of under 70 yards and a couple others where he was totally ineffective says he's not the answer. This morning ESPN was talking about a can't miss upcoming this off-season FA lineman, don't recal\l the name, but he's a guard from Carolina. Maybe the Carolina connection will come through again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Zay should have made that play Sunday. Was a bad drop. The passing game execution in the 2nd half was definitely not all on Tyrod. Ducasse missed a huge block that led to a massive sack, Zay had a poor drop, Deonte ran what looked to be a wrong route and Tyrod missed Clay with a throw I think he should make. If those 4 plays are made I think the perception of the 2nd half offense is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, westerndecline said: Id still.argue b7ffalo is extremely dangerous in a playoff scenario. A dynamic running qb two huge wrs and nothing to lose is not something id want to face.... This isnt best of 7 Like the way you think. Nice change from the mostly negative from people here. We certainly have a punchers chance if we make the playoffs. I wouldn't be totally surprised if we win one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: This morning ESPN was talking about a can't miss upcoming this off-season FA lineman, don't recal\l the name, but he's a guard from Carolina. Maybe the Carolina connection will come through again. Andrew Norwell. He will be super expensive. Not sure I see them going that route. I would not hate it if they did mind you. If you are going to go with Dion as your starting LT in 2018 then having Norwell next to him would be a huge help. Flip Richie to RG and then find yourself a RT somewhere in the draft you could have a top 5 o-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 No way, we draft a QB in the first round and build for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Tough question that I ask myself every game. Would sure be nice to use all those picks for other positions and not a qb. Really don't like the qb learning curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Zay should have made that play Sunday. Was a bad drop. The passing game execution in the 2nd half was definitely not all on Tyrod. Ducasse missed a huge block that led to a massive sack, Zay had a poor drop, Deonte ran what looked to be a wrong route and Tyrod missed Clay with a throw I think he should make. If those 4 plays are made I think the perception of the 2nd half offense is very different. Looking at the play by play Zay had 2 passes thrown to him. One was defensed well and yes he should have gotten it. The other was overthrown. TT was sharp in the first have passing decisively. Then reverted back to his norm int he 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I will take a year off from Bills football if they keep Taylor. He should have his towel on his head by halftime. If McD does this and they don't make the playoffs next year he should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I have been a big time Taylor supporter, my reasoning has always been that he is the best option available to Buffalo. If Taylor has 2 (hopefully much more in playoffs) quality games after a quality start last week do we use our draft capital to build around him ? I personally would love to build around him. He's now 21-19 with mostly below average defense. Build on that D, add a cpl weapons on O and I think he can get 10 wins on a regular basis, but I do understand he needs to show consistentcy. If he closes out the year with 3 or more quality starts in a row, I think he must stay ,along with Dennison. Unless of course our staff sees a can't miss QB prospect, I'd rather draft a 2nd -3rd rounder and keep a guy that doesn't turn the ball over and if game planned right can use his feet as well as his arm to get wins...This week will show me alot about Taylor/Dennison,on the road , biggest game in a decade , this could keep both of them in Bills gear for 2018 imo... You must love average football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think it's clear that McD/Beane want to move on from TT, at least from my perspective. If it were calling the shots, I would say that the jury is still out. If this team could win out and make it to the playoffs then I believe you retain TT another year while drafting another QB. If we win one more and miss the playoffs, then I think you drop him and let Peterman and the QB you draft duke it out for the starting QB next year or you pick up a quality FA QB like Cousins. If you win one and lose one and make the playoffs, I think you have to then evaluate his playoff game as a pretty big determinant as to what happens to his future as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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