JohnC Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Yeah, we're 8-6 and in the playoffs. We may snap the drought. But it's hard watching McD make the same mistakes game after game. That TO before the 3rd down in the 4th QTR nearly cost us the game. It saved Miami at least 40 seconds, which allowed them the onside kick and recovery. I know we won, but I'm worried that one of these mistakes will cost us, like in the playoffs. Why can't we ever get a coach with game and clock management skills? I am nominating you for the drama queen award named after Omarosa. The advantage you will have whether you win or lose is that you won't be escorted off of the premises. You don't know what was happening on the sidelines with the communication to the offense. So the coach called a time out to make sure everyone was in sync. What's wrong with that? Were there some issues regarding time management and calls in general? Of course. There is no game in which some calls can't be questioned or even criticized. The Bills are clearly a rebuilding team. Yet, as the season winds down, the HC still has his team in contention for a playoff spot. You may have an inflated view of this roster but I don't. This is very much an overachieving team. The deficiencies on both sides of the ball are glaring. This was far from being a perfect game by the players and coaches. However, if you put things in proper perspective this was not only a good win, it was an important win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Sweats said: All i know is that when it's 4th and 7 and you're in FG range, you take the points. Take the friggin points!!!!!! 54 yard field goal is not a gimme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I thought he made the wrong 4th down call the first time - the 4th down early in the 3rd they should have kicked the FG. The 4th and goal from the 1 he made the right call but the false start screwed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: So you're saying that in an earlier similar situation the coach makes the decision to kick it and the guy kicks it at 56 and it works. So then he has a shorter kick at 53 and he decides AGAINST the kick and it doesn't work and you support that? The outside conditions in Buffalo were much more challenging than the indoor conditions in Atlanta. So he decided to go for it. You are looking at this decision from the standpoint that it worked in Atlanta so the odds for success on a shorter kick in Buffalo should be in your favor. But you are not factoring in the cold weather and winds. You don't know if the kicker discussed with the HC prior to the game that after trying kicks in pregame that one side of the field was more favorable than the other side of the field. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Your position is reasonable. But what I am saying is that the decision that the HC made is not egregiously wrong. It was a judgment call that didn't work out. I'm more sympathetic to the HC than many because it is tough coaching a team in which the play of the qb and receivers can be for extended periods of time so wretchedly bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: The outside conditions in Buffalo were much more challenging than the indoor conditions in Atlanta. So he decided to go for it. You are looking at this decision from the standpoint that it worked in Atlanta so the odds for success on a shorter kick in Buffalo should be in your favor. But you are not factoring in the cold weather and winds. You don't know if the kicker discussed with the HC prior to the game that after trying kicks in pregame that one side of the field was more favorable than the other side of the field. I'm not saying you are right or wrong. Your position is reasonable. But what I am saying is that the decision that the HC made is not egregiously wrong. It was a judgment call that didn't work out. I'm more sympathetic to the HC than many because it is tough coaching a team in which the play of the qb and receivers can be for extended periods of time so wretchedly bad. I was though. The wind was a minor factor the entire game. 53 yards for Hauschka was an easy choice. 4th and 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 You armchair QBs are just amazing. To weeks of "wrong" calls and two more wins. Keep up the good work Coach! Not every call is a simple black and white decision. There are thing going on with the team and players that we fans in TV-Land do not know. Hard to believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1) End of the first half against Tampa Bay. 2nd and 2 from the TB 18 yard line with no timeouts and 12 seconds on the clock. Calls a 2 yard dump off in the center of the field. Time runs out and the Bills waste an easy FG opportunity. ** This one could be TT fault, but McD took ownership of it. 2) 4th and 1 from the Colts 41 in OT with 4:13 on the clock (2 timeouts). He waits for the playclock to run almost all the way down before taking a timeout to think things over. He then decides to punt when the most likely outcome after the punt is a tie or loss, and a tie or loss would've drastically reduced our chance at playoffs. 3) 4th and 7 from the Dolphins 36 early in the 3rd quarter. Bills up 21-6 and the defense is playing great. McD takes a timeout to think things over. He then decides to go for it and calls a low % play to just lob a pass for Clay towards the end zone. If you don't have faith in Hauschka just punt it. Why go for it this early and give the Fish a chance at gaining momentum on a short field? All 3 of those were ridiculously bad decisions, but we did win all 3 of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: 1) End of the first half against Tampa Bay. 2nd and 2 from the TB 18 yard line with no timeouts and 12 seconds on the clock. Calls a 2 yard dump off in the center of the field. Time runs out and the Bills waste an easy FG opportunity. ** This one could be TT fault, but McD took ownership of it. 2) 4th and 1 from the Colts 41 in OT with 4:13 on the clock (2 timeouts). He waits for the playclock to run almost all the way down before taking a timeout to think things over. He then decides to punt when the most likely outcome after the punt is a tie or loss, and a tie or loss would've drastically reduced our chance at playoffs. 3) 4th and 7 from the Dolphins 36 early in the 3rd quarter. Bills up 21-6 and the defense is playing great. McD takes a timeout to think things over. He then decides to go for it and calls a low % play to just lob a pass for Clay towards the end zone. If you don't have faith in Hauschka just punt it. Why go for it this early and give the Fish a chance at gaining momentum on a short field? All 3 of those were ridiculously bad decisions, but we did win all 3 of those games. 1) Was mostly Tyrod and some Matthews for catching it. 2) Can't argue there. Should have gone for it. Thankfully it worked. 3) I'd have punted it. But who made the play call? McD or Dennison? And was it supposed to go to Clay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, joesixpack said: I'm sure that's the coaches' fault somehow. That would be if you as the coach cannot spot that and get it fixed. If your QB is giving a cushion of 10 seconds on every play, then you are a poor coach. My problem with McD yesterday was that they were playing so beautifully in the 1st half and why they went into a conservative crap in the 2nd half. Their play selection for 1st and 2nd down in the 2nd half appeared to be horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Pretty thick in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Players get better, scouts get better, coaches get better.... People improve given time and experience. He’s certainly not been perfect, but he’s shown enough to be given a chance to keep developing. To think otherwise less than a season in is just plain goofy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 he is a year 1 coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Maybe he will get better as time and games goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Augie said: Players get better, scouts get better, coaches get better.... People improve given time and experience. He’s certainly not been perfect, but he’s shown enough to be given a chance to keep developing. To think otherwise less than a season in is just plain goofy. WE kept Dick Jauron for four seasons when he had 3 seasons of 7-9 !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 All these mistakes really hurt us, guys. We could have beaten the Dolphins by even more points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) Groy didn't move at all on that false start call. They showed the replay and the announcers were confused as to who committed the penalty Edited December 18, 2017 by Starr Almighty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Groy didn't move at all of that false start call. They showed the replay and the announcers were confused as to who committed the penalty Oh there’s a shock 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I thought he made the wrong 4th down call the first time - the 4th down early in the 3rd they should have kicked the FG. The 4th and goal from the 1 he made the right call but the false start screwed it. No the false start saved it. That play was dead and buried. 6 hours ago, ganesh said: That would be if you as the coach cannot spot that and get it fixed. If your QB is giving a cushion of 10 seconds on every play, then you are a poor coach. My problem with McD yesterday was that they were playing so beautifully in the 1st half and why they went into a conservative crap in the 2nd half. Their play selection for 1st and 2nd down in the 2nd half appeared to be horrendous. Again, it’s obvious they don’t trust Taylor or at least Dennison doesn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, joesixpack said: No the false start saved it. That play was dead and buried. I am on about the decision to go for it which I divorce from the actual play call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 While I have not liked a lot of McDermott's decisions you can question all coaches......having said that, we are in a position to make the playoffs and play a meaningful game in December. I never expected this. He has reversed the mess from Ryan and made this team tough and competitive...we may have a playoff defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am on about the decision to go for it which I divorce from the actual play call The decision was wrong. Take the points always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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