8-8 Forever? Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? The season never gets forgotten until the Draft day which is in April/May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? Even if you think it's a good idea to trade everything for our #1 guy, it is not going to work if our #1 guy is off the board by the time we can get to him. Cleveland is almost certainly going to pick #1 and they will take a QB. The frontrunner on everyone's board now most likely is Josh Rosen from UCLA... It is almost impossible to envision a trade scenario where we could get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 The only way I see Cleveland trading out of 1 is if their second pick (via Houston) lands in top 4.. I believe it’s currently 5th and on top of that there’s 3 guys they have ranked fairly evenly that they “know” they could get at 4 or in a slight moveup to 3 w all additional picks. Who are we to say, but having them like 3 guys equally seems like a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 8-8 Forever? 9 Posted 46 minutes ago I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I agree with this, but it is my personal opinion that Darnold will be the #1 overall pick and that Cleveland is not trading out. The last theing Cleveland needs at this point is more picks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I agree with this, but it is my personal opinion that Darnold will be the #1 overall pick and that Cleveland is not trading out. The last theing Cleveland needs at this point is more picks anyway. This is exactly right. It is clear that the way things ran in the past will no longer fly. They are going to take a QB at 1 and load up with "Dorsey guys". It wouldn't surprise me to see them move up a couple times and dump a few of their picks this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Make the Playoffs and trade up for a quarterback. And just say NO to Kurt Cousins. No more 2nd hand QB's please. He will be overpaid and is not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I wouldn't trade up with the 2-1st rounders for Darnold, much less trade away 2019's 1st. He looks like another in the long line of bust USC QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 There is no guarantee Darnold will come out this year. Also his stock has dropped. I want to see a QB drafted but don't favor trading up as there are too many holes to fill. Kelly was the 3rd QB taken in his class Marino was the 6th out of 6 1st round QB's taken. There will be options with one of the Bill''s #1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Original Byrd Man said: There is no guarantee Darnold will come out this year. Also his stock has dropped. I want to see a QB drafted but don't favor trading up as there are too many holes to fill. Kelly was the 3rd QB taken in his class Marino was the 6th out of 6 1st round QB's taken. There will be options with one of the Bill''s #1's. It most certainly has not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? Have the past 17 seasons been forgotten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 51 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Make the Playoffs and trade up for a quarterback. And just say NO to Kurt Cousins. No more 2nd hand QB's please. He will be overpaid and is not that good. Agreed! But I'd totally take his cousin, Kirk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I don't care who we get or how we get him as long as the FO does its due diligence and the Bills end up with a QB that they can build around and win with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? No, you're not right. Get a clue, "whoever is on the top of the QB draft board" is going to be gone by the time the Bills draft because the teams that will be drafting at the top of the first round almost all need QBs (San Fran and Washington (or the team that signs Cousins) may not) so they aren't going to trade out of the top spots. Trading up for any QB who is not the consensus #1 pick has only worked out once in the last 20 years IIRC ... in 2016 when Philadelphia took Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 33 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Agreed! But I'd totally take his cousin, Kirk! So you would settle for an overpriced 2nd hand schidt QB who never won a playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Tatonka68 said: So you would settle for an overpriced 2nd hand schidt QB who never won a playoff game? I'm pretty sure you're still thinking of Kurt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 if we can get cle to agree to a trade for their texans pick before free agency it would solve alot of problems for us. if our chiefs pick is around 10 they wouldnt move down to far and they could have 3 first on a team with a lot of holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 No on Darnold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I'm pretty sure you're still thinking of Kurt... Nope any QB not selected in the 2018 draft. But thanks for playing. How many playoffs games has the REDSKINS won lately???????????????????? Edited December 15, 2017 by Tatonka68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 My sources close to USC are telling me Darnold is 99% committed to going back to school. ~ Manhattan Beach Manny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It most certainly has not. You are absolutely correct. I don't know where people are reading that his stock has dropped. The only place I see it is when a reporter offers a hot take after he throws a pick. If he comes out, my strong hunch is that he'll be the #1 pick. 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: No on Darnold. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You are absolutely correct. I don't know where people are reading that his stock has dropped. The only place I see it is when a reporter offers a hot take after he throws a pick. If he comes out, my strong hunch is that he'll be the #1 pick. Why? Darnold had a great season and his team won the PAC-12. He took some chances and threw a few bad picks but he still showed he has the athleticism and accuracy that you need in the NFL. I think he’s clear and away the best potential prospect this year. Even though he’s probably going back to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 5 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: I for one would rather go pay Kirk Cousins, but if I have to , I'll trade both my firsts and another high 2018 pick to get Darnold or whoever is on the top of the QB draft board for the Bills. But I do not want to part with my 2019 #1 pick, which I believe they will need to do if they end up 9-7 and have to move up 15 or 20 spots. So I don't say "suck for Sam" just "slide for Sam". In a month this season will be forgotten. Am I right? Respect your opinion on this. Personally, I think Darnold is going to be a major, major flop and I'll be highly disappointed if Buffalo goes with him. Anyone but him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You are absolutely correct. I don't know where people are reading that his stock has dropped. The only place I see it is when a reporter offers a hot take after he throws a pick. If he comes out, my strong hunch is that he'll be the #1 pick. Why? I like Rosen better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I like Rosen better. Oh. I like Rosen too. I prefer Darnold, but I can see why others prefer Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 LAMAAAARRRRRR JACKKKKSONNNNNNNNNNNNN (if he comes out) Talented passer in the pocket, has proven that over and over this season...has improved every year he has played. Has the athletic ability to get out and run if things fall apart (but that isnt his first option). A truly prolific offense could be built around him. However, we have old school McDermott and his buddy Rico, so we would probably ruin his career before it even started...he or Baker Mayfield would be my choice (Rosen/Darnold wont be a real option without mortgaging the farm, which even still I dont think gets it done) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just get one of Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield or Jackson and I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I agree with this, but it is my personal opinion that Darnold will be the #1 overall pick and that Cleveland is not trading out. The last theing Cleveland needs at this point is more picks anyway. Darnold has not really progressed this year and I'm not sure he is even top 3 anymore on most NFL teams QB wish lists. He was the hot name last year; not this year. Still highly desired, don't get me wrong, if he comes out and enters draft. 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Oh. I like Rosen too. I prefer Darnold, but I can see why others prefer Rosen. Rosen is clearly the #1 guy being talked about these days. Not Darnold. Darnold was expected to continue progressing with certain areas of his game and for the most part, it hasn't happened this season. Rosen has the rifle of an arm, the big tall stance the NFL teams adore, great throwing motion, etc. Rosen is the #1 most desired college QB on everyone's board right now, almost certainly. The Bills have no way of getting him. Teams which will pick before us, even if we find a trading partner to move way, way up, will need a QB too and they will take Rosen. So as I said in post #3, the OP's premise is not feasible; there is no way we can throw everything and the kitchen sink into a trade, move way up, and take #1 guy on our board. It ain't happening. A more interesting question is if we should throw a ton at moving way up and then be willing to take #2 or #3 on our board, assuming that guy is available. That makes the "draft vs. buy Kirk Cousins" argument more interesting in my opinion. The more you have to give up to draft a QB who is NOT your #1 choice makes the prospect of buying Kirk Cousins more desirable. Edited December 15, 2017 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) I say we Gestate for Jackson! (Tyree Jackson '20 draft) Edited December 15, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Darnold has not really progressed this year and I'm not sure he is even top 3 anymore on most NFL teams QB wish lists. He was the hot name last year; not this year. Still highly desired, don't get me wrong, if he comes out and enters draft. Rosen is clearly the #1 guy being talked about these days. Not Darnold. Darnold was expected to continue progressing with certain areas of his game and for the most part, it hasn't happened this season. Rosen has the rifle of an arm, the big tall stance the NFL teams adore, great throwing motion, etc. Rosen is the #1 most desired college QB on everyone's board right now, almost certainly. This isn't true. From a month ago: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000877512/article/ask-5-whos-better-nfl-prospect-sam-darnold-or-josh-rosen . Edited December 15, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) On 12/15/2017 at 10:17 AM, SoTier said: No, you're not right. Get a clue, "whoever is on the top of the QB draft board" is going to be gone by the time the Bills draft because the teams that will be drafting at the top of the first round almost all need QBs (San Fran and Washington (or the team that signs Cousins) may not) so they aren't going to trade out of the top spots. Trading up for any QB who is not the consensus #1 pick has only worked out once in the last 20 years IIRC ... in 2016 when Philadelphia took Wentz. Well there you have it, sounds like most want to go get the wins and the draft will take care of itself. I'm with you. Go bills . screw the draft. What is it Herm Edwards says, "you play to win the game". 8-6 is sounding pretty good. Edited December 17, 2017 by 8-8 Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 11:15 AM, Jay_Fixit said: My sources close to USC are telling me Darnold is 99% committed to going back to school. ~ Manhattan Beach Manny LOL. But he should. He's not ready yet and he'll be drafted by the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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