MCD on wgr

[T-Bomb]

3 minutes ago, MDFan said:

That's because you are an adult, capable of reasoning beyond emotion.  

 

This has nothing to do with emotion... A tie is a double whammy, miss the playoff's + a lesser value draft pick.  It's not that hard guys, jeez...

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by T-Bomb

[cba fan]

28 minutes ago, H2o said:

9-6-1 gets you the nod over a 9-7 team. He was right. We all just hated the  decision at the time. 

10-6 gets you in much easier with higher probability.

[BillsFan130]

59 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm glad McDermott doesn't have your loser mentality. 

lmao alright buddy. You'll see in two weeks when they get pasted against the Pats. There is difference between having a loser mentality and having a realistic mentality. Brady is 27-3 in his career against the Bills and I believe has never lost to the bills in Foxboro. But sure, tying the colts makes a lot more sense to set up a must win game against those odds against the patriots.

1 hour ago, John from Hemet said:

and of course this is a certainty.....like 100 percent....because you say so

 

How much you want to bet the Bills lose that game? I'll give you great odds even

[26CornerBlitz]

McDermott: "I'd rather win than tie, I'd rather tie than lose" (11:58)

The Bills head coach has the team above .500 this season

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, billsfan11 said:

lmao alright buddy. You'll see in two weeks when they get pasted against the Pats. There is difference between having a loser mentality and having a realistic mentality. Brady is 27-3 in his career against the Bills and I believe has never lost to the bills in Foxboro. But sure, tying the colts makes a lot more sense to set up a must win game against those odds against the patriots.

 

The Bills won the game. They didn't tie.

 

McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win.

 

And won.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The Bills won the game. They didn't tie.

 

McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win.

 

And won.

He said the tie wasn't a bad thing. By punting, he was not going purely for the win. Which is ridiculous on so many levels

[T-Bomb]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott didn't go for the tie. He went for the win.

 

 

Wow, you just said that...

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

He said the tie wasn't a bad thing. By punting, he was not going purely for the win. Which is ridiculous on so many levels

 

He said a tie is better than a loss. Which is 100% true.

 

You know he was not going "purely" for the win by punting? This is getting absurd.

 

I don't blame him for having more faith in his defense than his offense in perfect weather. In a blizzard? Of course he trusts his defense more. Had four minutes to pin the Colts inside the 10 and either force a turnover or get the ball back again around the same spot with two or three minutes left and a new set of downs.

 

Again, I wouldn't have done it. But I understand it and won't kill him for it considering the circumstances.

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

A loss is better for the draft than a tie.

 

A tie = a loss in terms of a playoff birth.

 

Idiots, I'm surrounded by idiots!

 

 

A tie does not equal a loss in terms of a playoff berth if wins are equal.  Stop with your stupidity.....

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He said a tie is better than a loss. Which is 100% true.

 

You know he was not going "purely" for the win by punting? This is getting absurd.

 

I don't blame him for having more faith in his defense than his offense in perfect weather. In a blizzard? Of course he trusts his defense more. Had four minutes to pin the Colts inside the 10 and either force a turnover or get the ball back again around the same spot with two or three minutes left and a new set of downs.

 

Again, I wouldn't have done it. But I understand it and won't kill him for it considering the circumstances.

Here's the problem with that argument though. You're saying he didn't trust his offence which is probably true.

 

If you don't trust your offence, why wouldn't you try to convert that 4th and 1 and then get 15 to 20 yards for most likely the game winning field goal?

 

Opposed to stopping the Colts and then having to go a much LONGER field with the offence he doesn't trust? That right there makes no sense to me assuming he didn't trust his offence

[Wayne Arnold]

3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Here's the problem with that argument though. You're saying he didn't trust his offence which is probably true.

 

If you don't trust your offence, why wouldn't you try to convert that 4th and 1 and then get 15 to 20 yards for most likely the game winning field goal?

 

Opposed to stopping the Colts and then having to go a much LONGER field with the offence he doesn't trust? That right there makes no sense to me assuming he didn't trust his offence

 

My guess is he thought Schmidt could put the ball inside the 5 considering the ball was plugging in the snow all day. Then from there the defense could get a sack or a turnover. At the very least a three and out and maybe a special teams play could get them into immediate FG range. 

[Happy]

20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

McDermott: "I'd rather win than tie, I'd rather tie than lose" (11:58)

The Bills head coach has the team above .500 this season

On how much the team was able to do with the conditions:
"I'd say we cut down probably about three-quarters of the game-plan and I'd venture to guess that they did the same because of the weather."

 

This is why we need to play in Sunday's conditions more often (and no dome), you take away 3/4 of Dennison's involvement.  

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

My guess is he thought Schmidt could put the ball inside the 5 considering the ball was plugging in the snow all day. Then from there the defense could get a sack or a turnover. At the very least a three and out and maybe a special teams play could get them into immediate FG range. 

Ya I hear your point, but that would literally be a best case scenario outside of a turnover.

 

I'm sure if the bills got the ball back at their own 40 after he punted there, he would have signed up for that. Which would again, meaning a longer field for his awful offence

[H2o]

31 minutes ago, cba fan said:

10-6 gets you in much easier with higher probability.

But 9-6-1 gets you in over a 9-7 team is my point. They won the game. It's a dead horse everyone is beating. He made the right decision even though we don't agree with it. It worked out in the end. 

[Nick the Greek]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Holy ****.  Are you serious?  

Yes man, it was utterly disgusting. He must have gotten a cold from being out in the cold yesterday.

 

His bald ass was wearing a baseball cap as well. Why the hell wouldn’t you wear a knit cap in that snow? 

 

He’s concerned about style? God bless ya coach. 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Idandria

[Wayne Arnold]

10 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Ya I hear your point, but that would literally be a best case scenario outside of a turnover.

 

I'm sure if the bills got the ball back at their own 40 after he punted there, he would have signed up for that. Which would again, meaning a longer field for his awful offence

 

The last thing McDermott wanted to do was to give the ball to the Colts at the 42 with 4:00 left. No chance of a safety there and even if you get a three and out you more than likely won't get the ball back with better starting field position than the 20-25 yard line. I doubt McDermott thought the O was capable of going that far in two minutes.

 

Granted, the offense went nearly that far to win it thanks to Thompson's catch but I don't think McDermott thought the Colts were going to get all the way to the 31 yard line after the punt.

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Maybe he had too much faith in his defense.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

The last thing McDermott wanted to do was to give the ball to the Colts at the 42 with 4:00 left. No chance of a safety there and even if you get a three and out you more than likely won't get the ball back with better starting field position than the 20-25 yard line. I doubt McDermott thought the O was capable of going that far in two minutes.

 

Granted, the offense went nearly that far to win it thanks to Thompson's catch but I don't think McDermott thought the Colts were going to get all the way to the 31 yard line after the punt.

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Maybe he had too much faith in his defense.

Ya he definitely was banking on that 3 and out, but never got it.

 

To me I think it's more of a risk to punt. If Colts pick up 2 first downs, the bills season is basically over . (Barring a miracle win at New England)

 

I don't know. I don't like it on so many levels but at the end of the day I guess they won so I promise I'll stop my bitching within the next day or two lol

[WotAGuy]

My take away is he lacked confidence in his offense to get one yard, and lacked confidence in his defense to keep Indy from moving from their own 41 into field goal range. So he took the ball out of the offense’s hands, pinned Indy down deep and hoped they screwed up. Which they did by missing that pass to Hilton. He was banking on a miracle and got it with that pass from Webb to Thompson. 

[Doc Brown]

What worried me most about his comments is he said he'd do it again.  An accurate throw to Hilton and are season is over.

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

8-7-1 isn't the issue.  9-6-1 is.   9-6-1 gets the Bills in, 9-7 probably doesn't.  

 

The only outcome yesterday that almost certainly knocks you out is a loss.  A win or a tie gives you a fighting chance.  

Good point Shaw. I guess in my subconscience mind the Pats game is an auto loss after all these years and I didn't take the Pats game into account like coaches would. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Right?

 

You know things are breasts up around here when I'm the voice of positivity.

 

Yeah something is definitely off. Did someone change your 6 pack on you this week?

[Manther]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

No I do not.  However, I think its pretty delusional to think you might make the playoffs with 8 wins at this point of the season.  Are they not always talking about "best for the team now and the future?"  A tie is not what is best for the team.  Should always go for the win.  I have no problem with the coach thinking punting gave him the best chance to win.  Thinking a tie is a good thing is another story.

Maybe McD isn't counting the Pats** game a loss.

[folz]

I really can't believe how many people are annoyed with a fun and exciting win. I understand wanting to go for it on that 4th down. I wanted them to go for it too. But how can you seriously second guess with such vitriol a strategy that worked?

 

I admit that the coach/team have been very conservative at times this year, but sometimes there is a reason for that---QB play, injuries, weather, etc. A coach is going to be a lot more conservative, for example, with Tyrod at QB than say a Brady, Rodgers, etc. Let alone Joe Webb in a foot of snow. Not to mention that he is a first year head coach. Of course he's going to make some mistakes along the way. And it isn't easy putting and holding a team together with the amount of turnover that has occurred.

 

I mean, some people were predicting a 4-6 win season and we sit at 7-6 with three games to play and still in the playoff hunt. I find it amazing that the torches and pitchforks are out, especially after a win. Question the decision all you want, that's fair, it's a message board. But to be calling for his head and comparing him to Jauron after a win seems very strange to me. 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by folz

[26CornerBlitz]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

What worried me most about his comments is he said he'd do it again.  An accurate throw to Hilton and are season is over.

 

Exactly.

[Alaska Darin]

I had high hopes for this guy based on training camp because he was doing some things we haven't seen (situational football things that haven't been emphasized enough in the past) but it's quickly waning.  He's another cookie cutter in a long line of them.

I wish we'd hired Doug Petersen or Sean McVay.  While their teams have more talent (the Rams have been drafting at the top of the draft for over a decade), both of them coach far beyond the old school mentality and are actually developing players. 

 

The fact that Dennison can't figure out how to use TT's unique skillset makes me wanna just smack McDermott right in his head.  I understand that TT is never going to be a timing guy. needs to have very specific things done help him be successful, and because of that isn't the long term answer at QB.  Yet our coaches are acting like they're going to turn him into a quick read, quick release WCO passer.  Jesus H. Christ.

 

It's time to seriously think outside the box.

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Commonsense said:

A tie would have really sucked. It worked and lucky for him it did because that would have flipped a bunch of his supporters. Hopefully behind closed doors they rethink the decision making process a bit. I have tried to remain optimistic with the new guys but I done did lost my mind for about 10 minutes until Thompson made that catch.

 

 

To be fair in his presser yesterday... not his WGR interview... he stopped short of saying he thought he would make the same decision again.  He said it was what he thought was right at the time and he didn't want to rush it after talking things over and in the end it worked but that they always come back and look at those types of decision again.  

 

Reading between the lines I took that as him saying "I might have got a bit lucky there".

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

What worried me most about his comments is he said he'd do it again.  An accurate throw to Hilton and are season is over.

 

That is not what he said in the presser.  He was given the opportunity to and he specifically stopped short of it.  Haven't heard the WGR interview.  

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To be fair in his presser yesterday... not his WGR interview... he stopped short of saying he thought he would make the same decision again.  He said it was what he thought was right at the time and he didn't want to rush it after talking things over and in the end it worked but that they always come back and look at those types of decision again.  

 

Reading between the lines I took that as him saying "I might have got a bit lucky there".

 

That is not what he said in the presser.  He was given the opportunity to and he specifically stopped short of it.  Haven't heard the WGR interview.  

He said he would yesterday at the press conference in that same situation.  Then he said you have to look back at each decision, but he did say he'd do it again.  http://www.thedailynewsonline.com/bdn02/bills-sean-mcdermott-says-he-would-punt-in-overtime-again-video-20171211

 

"In that case it worked out and I would do it again,"

[Punching Bag]

18 hours ago, folz said:

I mean, some people were predicting a 4-6 win season and we sit at 7-6 with three games to play and still in the playoff hunt. I find it amazing that the torches and pitchforks are out, especially after a win. Question the decision all you want, that's fair, it's a message board. But to be calling for his head and comparing him to Jauron after a win seems very strange to me. 

 

I am not surprised pitchforks are out; usually those carry them have them in their ass and it very easy to reach.