HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 That's the thing though. This place doesn't exhibit it very often at all. Everyone argues with everyone else about everything. There is never a consensus. There wasn't even a consensus on EJ sucks. But there was about the dirty hit. I even saw your point. Just didn't agree with it. I dont think it was a dirty hit. I dont know what Kiko can do. Hes a large football player launching himself at full speed to make a tackle. I think its ridiculous to expect him to let up when Flacco slides at the last second and everything is happening so quickly. Personally I feel personal fouls on QBs should have a much higher standard once the QB passes the line of scrimmage. At that point youve turned yourself into a running back and the same rules should apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Pats Tampa game was very good too. Â Unbelievably, Bills-Jets game is first TNF game that WONT be streamed live on Amazon. NFL Network instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 That's the thing though. This place doesn't exhibit it very often at all. Everyone argues with everyone else about everything. There is never a consensus. There wasn't even a consensus on EJ sucks. But there was about the dirty hit. I even saw your point. Just didn't agree with it.That's fine there's plenty that do. Ganging up and making it personal towards me like some did was unnecessary. Teddy Bruschi agrees, Deion agrees, Cowher agrees, Herm agrees...the QB was going for the first and Kiko was trying to make the play. QB has to slide sooner, don't go for the first. Both sides going full speed at each other, no time to stop in such a bang-bang play. QB can't wait until the last second and then wonder why he got hit. As the rule is written Kiko will get a penalty and fine but there's absolutely no way he's trying to intentionally hurt him on that play. Just doing his job and stopping the ball carrier from getting the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Good thing you didn't post this last night. I got crucified for a similar take. People on this forum have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone that has an opinion different from theirs and it's really sad. hmmm You know ..... I never noticed that   /sarc NFL Network instead? Isn't it on CBS as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 hmmm You know ..... I never noticed that   /sarc  Isn't it on CBS as well? don't know. I thought Thursday night games were either nfl network or Amazon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 don't know. I thought Thursday night games were either nfl network or Amazon? Â Just NFLN for the Bills at NYJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I dont think it was a dirty hit. I dont know what Kiko can do. Hes a large football player launching himself at full speed to make a tackle. I think its ridiculous to expect him to let up when Flacco slides at the last second and everything is happening so quickly. Personally I feel personal fouls on QBs should have a much higher standard once the QB passes the line of scrimmage. At that point youve turned yourself into a running back and the same rules should apply. You keep your head up and don't lead with it when you launch. That's what you do. He led with his head. The only reason his shoulder hit Flacco first was because Flacco slid under him and a tad to the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â Just NFLN for the Bills at NYJ. I thought Bills games were restricted to the awful Yahoo streaming service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) I thought Bills games were restricted to the awful Yahoo streaming service  They wanted a broader audience to see the wonders of watching McCown play QB. Edited October 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Teddy Bruschi agrees, Deion agrees, Cowher agrees, Herm agrees...Well THAT certainly doesn't help your case. Â I usually totally agree with the stance you are taking. I think a lot of times the defensive guy doesn't have a chance to let up. I don't know if Kiko was intentionally trying to hurt him. I do think Flacco slid late. I just think he led with his head and shouldn't have. Edited October 27, 2017 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) don't know. I thought Thursday night games were either nfl network or Amazon? Could be a regional thing. Ravens Fish was on both channels last night. Edited October 27, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You keep your head up and don't lead with it when you launch. That's what you do. He led with his head. The only reason his shoulder hit Flacco first was because Flacco slid under him and a tad to the side. https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/923872449522835456 Â Looks to me like he very clearly led with the shoulder, especially in the slow motion view. He launches his body at the exact second Flacco slides. I think the personal foul should have been on the Ravens player that pushed Kiko after the play was over. Its football, if you dont want to take a big hit dont slide late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â This is the oddest season I can remember. Let's hope something even more odd happens.... and the Bills break the drought!! Â I feel bad for the video editor that works for the fins website. Hard to make a highlight reel from that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well THAT certainly doesn't help your case. Â I usually totally agree with the stance you are taking. I think a lot of times the defensive guy doesn't have a chance to let up. I don't know if Kiko was intentionally trying to hurt him. I do think Flacco slid late. I just think he led with his head and shouldn't have. he launched himself to try and stop him from getting to the 1st down line. he got caught in no man's land because once you leave you feet there's no going back. so yes he was wrong to do that given that Flacco did end up sliding but i don't think he should be villianized the way some people want to believe. he's definitely not a dirty head hunter type player. i think both sides are a little at fault and it was a very unfortunate play and Kiko will be fined, no doubt. can't hit a QB in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I dont think it was a dirty hit. I dont know what Kiko can do. Hes a large football player launching himself at full speed to make a tackle. I think its ridiculous to expect him to let up when Flacco slides at the last second and everything is happening so quickly. Personally I feel personal fouls on QBs should have a much higher standard once the QB passes the line of scrimmage. At that point youve turned yourself into a running back and the same rules should apply. There are a lot of former players agreeing with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/923872449522835456 Looks to me like he very clearly led with the shoulder, especially in the slow motion view. He launches his body at the exact second Flacco slides. I think the personal foul should have been on the Ravens player that pushed Kiko after the play was over. Its football, if you dont want to take a big hit dont slide late. Looks to me like he led with his head, Flacco slid underneath and to his left (Kiko's right) and then Kiko made a conscious decision to drive his shoulder into Flacco's head. That slo-mo last view from behind made me think a lot worse of Kiko. I think he's suspended and fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â Just NFLN for the Bills at NYJ. I think that the games are shown on CBS or FOX in the viewing area of the teams playing. The Bills/Jets game will be on CBS in the Bflo area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think that the games are shown on CBS or FOX in the viewing area of the teams playing. The Bills/Jets game will be on CBS in the Bflo area. thats what I thought thanks for confirming  Just like when ESPN held the games. Those w/o cable can't watch locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You keep your head up and don't lead with it when you launch. That's what you do. He led with his head. The only reason his shoulder hit Flacco first was because Flacco slid under him and a tad to the side. Alonso laughably claimed that he realized the slide was happening too late. Then why was Alonso'd angle getting closer and closer to the ground just as Flacco's was? He lowered his body as he saw Flacco lowering his. And the he put a little oomph on the shot he dished out to his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think that the games are shown on CBS or FOX in the viewing area of the teams playing. The Bills/Jets game will be on CBS in the Bflo area. Â That's typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 You keep your head up and don't lead with it when you launch. That's what you do. He led with his head. The only reason his shoulder hit Flacco first was because Flacco slid under him and a tad to the side. And I think Preston Brown said it best this morning on WGR. You understand which QB your playing. Flacco is going to slide, he isnt going to lower his head. So you know as you get close to him you can let up a bit. Kiko lowered his head intent on doing damage, IMO, when he saw the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Alonso laughably claimed that he realized the slide was happening too late. Then why was Alonso'd angle getting closer and closer to the ground just as Flacco's was? He lowered his body as he saw Flacco lowering his. And the he put a little oomph on the shot he dished out to his head. Â To me it wasn't Kiko's momentum as Flacco was sliding, but Kiko extending his forearm to him Flacco's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Flacco should have just ran hard and got tackled. No sliding.. go 100% for the first down. At least that way you know guys are gonna hit you, instead of expecting everyone to back off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Personally I would never slide... seems much more dangerous than just getting tackled. Â You are completely vulnerable and unable to protect yourself and someone can just smash you in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Personally I would never slide... seems much more dangerous than just getting tackled. Â You are completely vulnerable and unable to protect yourself and someone can just smash you in the face. Â Tell that to Drew Bledsoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â Tell that to Drew Bledsoe. Â Good point... Wasn't that hit along the sidelines, or am I remembering wrong? Â When I picture that hit I think of Drew getting lit up right as he went out of bounds, which might have made it worse since he was relaxed a bit and not expecting such a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Â Good point... Wasn't that hit along the sidelines, or am I remembering wrong? Â When I picture that hit I think of Drew getting lit up right as he went out of bounds, which might have made it worse since he was relaxed a bit and not expecting such a shot. Â It was. Mo Lewis lit him up to launch the other guy's career. Edited October 27, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â It was. Mo Lewis lit him up to launch the other guy's career. I've been hating the wrong guy all these years. I will now switch from hating Tom Brady to actually hating Mo Lewis. Bastard! Tom would be retired by now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Â To me it wasn't Kiko's momentum as Flacco was sliding, but Kiko extending his forearm to him Flacco's head. That too, but he was lowering his body without slowing down at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well THAT certainly doesn't help your case. Â I usually totally agree with the stance you are taking. I think a lot of times the defensive guy doesn't have a chance to let up. I don't know if Kiko was intentionally trying to hurt him. I do think Flacco slid late. I just think he led with his head and shouldn't have. Â Frankly, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw this was that it was completely unlike Kiko to intentionally go after someone like that. I think your history as a player contributes to the thinking. Â See what happened when Suh did the choke hold? Everyone thought "Oh, man, here goes Suh again." Â I doubt anyone had that thought about Kiko, which is why I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think Kiko was a bit unlucky. Flacco decides to go down very late and a bit like the defender on DT on the big play at the end of the game last Sunday it looks helmet to helmet initially but is more shoulder to helmet in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Frankly, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw this was that it was completely unlike Kiko to intentionally go after someone like that. I think your history as a player contributes to the thinking. Â See what happened when Suh did the choke hold? Everyone thought "Oh, man, here goes Suh again." Â I doubt anyone had that thought about Kiko, which is why I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt. Outside of being a genius chef and commercial spokesman, Kiko is kinda known as a muttonhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 slide with your foot out. if someone tries to hit you they get a karate kick to the face/nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 slide with your foot out. if someone tries to hit you they get a karate kick to the face/nuts Ha. Good point. Some QB last year did that and I thought the same thing. Someone here will probably remember. It could have been two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I think Kiko was a bit unlucky. Flacco decides to go down very late and a bit like the defender on DT on the big play at the end of the game last Sunday it looks helmet to helmet initially but is more shoulder to helmet in reality. Let me ask this, its Joe Flacco, is there any doubt he is going to slide? Â If there is not doubt he is going to slide as you atttempt to tackle him, is there any reason to lower the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Ha. Good point. Some QB last year did that and I thought the same thing. Someone here will probably remember. It could have been two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Damn. That was the one. I was yelling at the TV about what a dick he was, too. That sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The cherry on top of this game would be a suspension for Kiko Alonso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Let me ask this, its Joe Flacco, is there any doubt he is going to slide? Â If there is not doubt he is going to slide as you atttempt to tackle him, is there any reason to lower the head? I think it is a flag. I don't think it should be any more than a flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Damn. That was the one. I was yelling at the TV about what a dick he was, too. That sucks. IIRC Tommy wuss Brady was fined $10k for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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