CookieG Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 And in those years when Running game was **** down what happened? Hands back your Glasses How many times was the running game shut down? And then ask...why is that? Hint: play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I dont think anyone is giving the QB a pass. At all. Sure. How many times was the running game shut down? And then ask...why is that? Hint: play calling. 3 OCs same pop warner passing concepts. But hey must be Bills. Only bring in pop warner OCs and it cant be because the QB cant handle NFL passing concepts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Um...The Bills averaged 24.6 points per game in his previous 29 starts. ~Hands the poster a groupon for Lenscrafters. It's actually very impressive that we've been able to accumulate so many rushing yards despite the defenses stacking 8 in the box the past two years, I'll give you that. Too bad he's a quarterback in a passing league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The All-22 film will tell the tale. Yep it will. And i know i will see more and more WRs open that TT wont pull the trigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1. It seemed like CAR DL had penetration into the backfield on almost every play. 2. No lanes for shady to run. 3. No chemistry in passing game. I guess what bothered me most was that offense wasnt doing anything and we didnt try anything to really disrupt the defense. No quick slant passes. No screens to WR. No bootleg Playaction on first down. Just very vanilla. THIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Sure. 3 OCs same pop warner passing concepts. But hey must be Bills. Only bring in pop warner OCs and it cant be because the QB cant handle NFL passing concepts Offense that ranked 10th and12th in the league in scoring for the past 2 years...something that hasn't happened in forever in Buffalo. But let's go back to the Dick Jauron days. I love this plan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The OC strikes me as an old "run and stop the run" fuddy duddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Offense that ranked 10th and12th in the league in scoring for the past 2 years...something that hasn't happened in forever in Buffalo. But let's go back to the Dick Jauron days. I love this plan!! Lets fire Dennison then. Maybe the 4th OC can get the QB to throw with anticipation and timing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Lets fire Dennison then. Maybe the 4th OC can get the QB to throw with anticipation and timing To be fair only 1 OC has been fired and the only reason he was fired was bc Rex had to have a sacrificial lamb that wasnt one of his buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1. It seemed like CAR DL had penetration into the backfield on almost every play. 2. No lanes for shady to run. 3. No chemistry in passing game. I guess what bothered me most was that offense wasnt doing anything and we didnt try anything to really disrupt the defense. No quick slant passes. No screens to WR. No bootleg Playaction on first down. Just very vanilla. Hated the game plan today. Too many runs on first down into stacked boxes. No misdirections or moving pockets. I'm having a hard time finding a difference compared to the pre-season. Gotta agree with both of you. Good OCs can maak players flaws and produce points with who they have. A Lynn did it last year to a top 10 in scoring. Rico has a lot to learn about calling a game. We ran no option plays and thats one of this rosters strenghts. The forth and toss play was mind boggling stupid. I hope they get their sht together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yep it will. And i know i will see more and more WRs open that TT wont pull the trigger You have this predetermined? Shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) You have this predetermined? Shocking! Yeah because it is standard data with this QB. So i know i will see more I know there is one with O'Leary Edited September 17, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Lets fire Dennison then. Maybe the 4th OC can get the QB to throw with anticipation and timing Or take away what the offense had been doing best ....and have worse results... just so people can B word about the QB. That's a pretty pathetic way to run a football team, IMO...especially when the team didn't bother to try and replace the QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I go back and forth on this in my mind. We are built as a running team and you shouldn't give up what you do well. If we get a good break on one of those runs no one would be complaining about the play calling. Then again while watching the game I thought we ran too many times on 1st down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Or take away what the offense had been doing best ....and have worse results... just so people can B word about the QB. That's a pretty pathetic way to run a football team, IMO...especially when the team didn't bother to try and replace the QB.. Yeah guess we shouldnt expect a 7 year vet QB to be you know a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yeah because it is standard data with this QB. So i know i will see more I know there is one with O'Leary I saw that nonsense tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Gotta agree with both of you. Good OCs can maak players flaws and produce points with who they have. A Lynn did it last year to a top 10 in scoring. Rico has a lot to learn about calling a game. We ran no option plays and thats one of this rosters strenghts. The forth and toss play was mind boggling stupid. I hope they get their sht together. I seriously doubt A Lynn was a disciple of Greg Roman..but he used a hell of a lot of Roman's concepts, those that worked. And I only saw a little of the Chargers last week, but he doesn't run the same offense in LA as he did in Buffalo, because he has Rivers. There's a reason he's a head coach now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Jumping in late, but idt creativity is the problem. I think it's lack of understanding of what a successful offense in the NFL is. I'm tired of being the number one rushing team. How about being feared through the air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I thought Dennison called a crappy game. Very predictable. Didn't adjust throughout. I do think, however, part of the conservative nature could have been ordered by McD to give defense a rest and thinking this was going to be low scoring affair so he wasn't allowed to open it up much. It almost worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I just find it hard to believe that Matthews or Zay aren't capable of getting the ball through slants and crossing routes. I always though those were a big part of the WCO. I haven't been impressed with the game plans or play designs. It doesn't seem like we are putting our QB or WRs i positions to succeed. Zay was a guy who absolutely made a killing out of the slot in college but he comes here to get lost on the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's not all on Dennison (although I think he's not a good OC). This oline is terrible with pass blocking and this is probably the worst WR depth chart this team has had in the last 10+ years. Also the QB situation with Taylor speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I saw that nonsense tweet. Yeah Nonsense because you just dont want to accept TT leaves plays on the field i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 ...thought Dennison would be more creative and innovative with this offense....so far, it's an ugly meld of AVP and Fairchild...so is it Dennison?...or his pupil; TT?........or shared responsibility?......at the end of the day, offense sucks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yeah Nonsense because you just dont want to accept TT leaves plays on the field i know He does for sure. That wasn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 This is no different than the Chan Gailey yesrs trying to scheme your way to wins because of obvious passing flaws at the QB position. He does for sure. That wasn't one of them. He had O'Leary open early enough in that Roll that he could have made the throw. But indecisiveness again bits him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Here is the first play of each drive. We passed 60% of the time on first down (even including the run as the last play of the half). I think you are seeing what you want to see friend. I love the bill complaints of we always run on first down, or we always do run pass run, or we dont do screens or playactions. These complaints, are almost always wrong. You might as well be a broken record in a vacuum ignoring what actually happened Drive 1 - Run Drive 2 - Run Drive 3 - Pass Drive 4 - Pass Drive 5 - Run (this was the last play of the half) Drive 6 - Pass (Tyrod scrambled, but it was a called pass) Drive 7 - Pass Drive 8 - Pass Drive 9 - Run Drive 10 - Pass If you look at all first downs it was 11 runs to 6 passes up until the 2min drill at end of game where they had to pass. That's almost a 2:1 ratio. Bad gameplan against a stout run defense. I would have preferred they let Taylor throw the ball more. Did they have any play action? Didn't pay close enough attention to that. 1 game we looked great 1 game we looked awful. Let's see next week at home versus Den if the leadership and coaches can get some consistentcy going, we seem to have a playoff caliber D Denvers D is one of if not the best in the league. I expect to look like dog crap next week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I go back and forth on this in my mind. We are built as a running team and you shouldn't give up what you do well. If we get a good break on one of those runs no one would be complaining about the play calling. Then again while watching the game I thought we ran too many times on 1st down. It isn't just being a "running team" vs. a "passing team" to me. For instance, The Marrone-Hackett Brain Trust wanted to be a running team, but their game plan for running the ball was about as blah as can be. Its not the fact that you run, its how you run. Greg Roman showed what a running game with a little innovation can look like and Lynn adopted it. Unbalanced formations selective use of the option misdirection.. it is rare to have a running game in the NFL these days that keeps a defense guessing. But it did. And it worked Do Shady and the O line have a role in how well the offense ran the ball? Oh yeah... But did the play calling help put them in the right position? Better believe it. I always though it would be great to be a run blocking OL in that system... get a DL going one way...just to cream him when he figures out the run is going the opposite way. But I think those days are gone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 We need to use the option more. Fit the play calling to their strengths. The offense rrally let the defense down today. Everyone from the OC to the players they played hard they jus didnt make enough plays. It isnt just one players fault no matter how much you want to crucify the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Our predictably, I think, was mainly due to the offensive formations. I'd love to see a breakdown of % of plays by formation, particularly the I-formation. Sure, players didn't win battles, but when you rush for a net of barely positive yardage (4 or 5 yards) on handoffs to the RB on first downs PLUS negative yardage (-1 yard, I believe) the handful of times you decided to run it a 2nd time immediately after a successful run, there's something to be said about the defense knowing what you're doing. It was a poorly called game by the OC with poor execution by the all parties in the O, as well. We should have been passing. The secondary is the weakest part of their D. Probably why we were successful doing it when we finally committed to it. The Panthers are an incredible D. Hopefully this isn't the norm. I just find it hard to believe that Matthews or Zay aren't capable of getting the ball through slants and crossing routes. I always though those were a big part of the WCO. I haven't been impressed with the game plans or play designs. It doesn't seem like we are putting our QB or WRs i positions to succeed. Zay was a guy who absolutely made a killing out of the slot in college but he comes here to get lost on the outside. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 1. It seemed like CAR DL had penetration into the backfield on almost every play. 2. No lanes for shady to run. 3. No chemistry in passing game. I guess what bothered me most was that offense wasnt doing anything and we didnt try anything to really disrupt the defense. No quick slant passes. No screens to WR. No bootleg Playaction on first down. Just very vanilla. They ran some screens - the QB does not throw slants - he throws outs and corners to guys very late. There were serval times where you could see open guys underneath that TT did not see. He is what he he at this point - a very average QB that cannot read a defense. He was average last week and straight up low tier this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Watching the Denver game and thinking they look a ton better on offense than last year under Dennison. However, after looking at 2016 stats their offense was actually quite good. I must just be tainted from today's performance. That said, I really do remember them looking awful on offense several games last year. Just looked at scores. Three games with 10 points or fewer, another where they scored 13 and one where they scored 16. Edited September 17, 2017 by DisplacedBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yeah because it is standard data with this QB. So i know i will see more I know there is one with O'Leary Yeah - that was a killer - throw it to a guy covered with 2 guys coming at you. Right in the game flow a wide open TE for a first down, but TT stares at 1 receiver and doesn't follow progressions at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Bring back last year's offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Gonna be ugly against Den next week. If Zeke and Dallas cant run the ball Shady sure in the hell isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 he sucks. This is why he was a figure head OC for so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's not all on Dennison (although I think he's not a good OC). This oline is terrible with pass blocking and this is probably the worst WR depth chart this team has had in the last 10+ years. Also the QB situation with Taylor speaks for itself. I'll ignore the name - "SaviorPeterman" - and agree with the point. In retrospect, this was just a terrible matchup for the Bills offense vs. the Panthers defense. Tyrod is slow to get rid of the ball; the Panthers are known for speed on defense, so Tyrod did next to nothing with his legs; the Bills WR corps is one of the worst in the NFL; the Panthers had nothing to lose by loading the box and committing to stop the run. Unfortunately this is almost exactly the same situation the Bills will face next week against the Broncos, currently holding Ezekiel Elliot to 2 yards on 7 carries through 3 quarters. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Gonna be ugly against Den next week. If Zeke and Dallas cant run the ball Shady sure in the hell isnt In general, the Broncos are a much different team at home versus away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 That was pathetic play calling and pathetic QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 In general, the Broncos are a much different team at home versus away. Cannot take what they are doing against Zeke and the NFLs best OL in run defense today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Gonna be ugly against Den next week. If Zeke and Dallas cant run the ball Shady sure in the hell isnt Yep 100% accurate And idt TT, Darnold. Rosen. Allen, etc matter right now. Scheme today was, and will be, the ceiling and floor of this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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