Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 So nice to see the usual punchbowl pissers make their appearance in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The narrative that Watkins wouldn't sign here is getting ridiculous. You pay him and he's stay.(assuming he earns it) And had they picked up his option you have him for another two years. --------------True, but now your asking a new coach and gm to take a chance on a oft injured receiver who would cost a them a top 5 first round option. I believe it was 11 mil compared to the 8 mil OBJ,Landry and Mike Evans cost and those guys were more productive than Sammy. I have no doubt when healthy Sammy is the superior WR but players can't perform from the bench. His talent was never in question, his availability was. Also for those thinking we could have received more compensation for the trade are off base. Being able to get a 2nd Rd pick which will most likely be high because it's from the Rams and a starting DB is quite the fetch. It's not the Rams fault the previous regime was stupid enough to give an extra 1st for a WR with no QB in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 This isn't news. It was obvious in preseason to anyone that has a clue that they were working on stuff. He will play football this week. He will move around and try to be a playmaker. The hope was to clean up some fundamentals without sacrificing his playmaking ability (just sacrificing his playmakers). They took the preseason to try to clean that up.]/b] The preseason demonstrated what he can't do i.e. that he isn't and will never be a pocket qb who is capable of going through his progressions and adequately make anticipatory throws. The new staff knew before training camp began what he could do and now they know for sure what he will never be able to do. Without a doubt he should be much more effective in the regular season playing his more simplistic game but in the long run that type of play is too restrictive to amount to much for the prospects for the team. While he is an acceptable bridge qb he will never be a franchise qb. Don't be surprised if before the season is finished that Peterman will be getting the starting job just to see what he is capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Is this like EJ lettin' it rip? Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Lol. Why is it every unit that struggles or is awful in the Pre-Season is "saving it" for the regular season? Lol. Like clockwork. Your offense can't complete a pass...don't worry it's vanilla. Your defense can't stop a fly...don't worry they are keeping week 1 opponent guessing. Lol. But for some reason I doubt anyone who believes that would grant the opponent is also doing the same the thing. Only their team is smart and sly. Lol. And bravo for keeping a QB in longer than wanted against the Eagles because he and the offense was that bad. Because most teams ask their QB to work on nothing he will be doing in the regular season and then risk keeping him in a meaningless game longer. I picked the wrong line of work. Should have just invested all my money on betting with fellow bills fans these past two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The preseason demonstrated what he can't do i.e. that he isn't and will never be a pocket qb who is capable of going through his progressions and adequately make anticipatory throws. The new staff knew before training camp began what he could do and now they know for sure what he will never be able to do. Without a doubt he should be much more effective in the regular season playing his more simplistic game but in the long run that type of play is too restrictive to amount to much for the prospects for the team. While he is an acceptable bridge qb he will never be a franchise qb. Don't be surprised if before the season is finished that Peterman will be getting the starting job just to see what he is capable of. Good post. Pretty much sums it up. But this offense has no deep threat for any QB. That is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 If you want to use a 2 game sample size where 1 game he spotted the opponent a 24 point lead with 3 turnovers, where they fell into a prevent go for it. The Bills defense also scored. It's a big stretch to try to hand him "credit" for those 2 games. 24 ppg and 23 ppg. The offense scored the same amount of points those 2 games in 15. Did I err and not say TEAM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Maybe the culture they are building is wrong? I'm sure just about EVERY team in the NFL would love to have Watkins. DB your entire career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewMexBills Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 In TYGOD we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The preseason demonstrated what he can't do i.e. that he isn't and will never be a pocket qb who is capable of going through his progressions and adequately make anticipatory throws. The new staff knew before training camp began what he could do and now they know for sure what he will never be able to do. Without a doubt he should be much more effective in the regular season playing his more simplistic game but in the long run that type of play is too restrictive to amount to much for the prospects for the team. While he is an acceptable bridge qb he will never be a franchise qb. Don't be surprised if before the season is finished that Peterman will be getting the starting job just to see what he is capable of. Think that this is pretty fair John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Well... as always, I appreciate your optimism. But, our #1WR (Mathews) is brand new to the team, our #2 (Jones) is a rookie, Tate is our KR/PR, and won't likely see very many offensive snaps, Holmes has been, by all accounts, piss-poor in TC, and who the hell is Kaelin Clay? Yikes! Is there a less inspiring WR room in the league? Yes, last years group, and the year before that were rough. But i hear you Rocky The difference for me, is i have yet to see this group on the field. I am not feeling good about Holmes to be honest. if he drops ball like he was doing in practice (or so i read ) maybe they bring up Reilly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 A very large part of me really hopes that Tyrod really wows people and they decide to build around him. In 2018 we have few pending free agents to sign and a boatload of picks. An ideal situation you talk about right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 24 ppg and 23 ppg. The offense scored the same amount of points those 2 games in 15. Did I err and not say TEAM? That's fine. So ignore the 3 turnovers (-21 points), defensive TD (-7 more points) and the fact that they went into a shell defense because of the giant lead and you have a point. He also scored 10 points against a team that they scored 31 against earlier last year. Explain that? I Context matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 This is all well, and good. But, I'm not sure there is a more pedestrian WR corp in the league. They haven't exactly set TT up for success in that regard-- at least looking at it from the outside. I predict a lot of dropped balls this season. Strange prediction. Does this group of WRs have a noted problem hanging onto the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTarmy Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 First off, we have seen the best of Tyrod, so him being unleashed isn't going to blow anyone away. Second, who is he throwing to when he starts unleashing these passes? The WR core is pretty weak and at best...unproven. The best thing that can happen is that the run game clicks, which allows play action passes to be more viable and they allow Tyrod to operate more in shotgun. I like Taylor, I think he tries and wants to win, but I don't see it happening to him this year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Good post. Pretty much sums it up. But this offense has no deep threat for any QB. That is a problem. I firmly believe that with or without Watkins this team as it was built by Whaley was not a playoff team. Was it capable of being a fringe playoff team? Yes. But that means little because of the nature of the parity system where half the teams are fringe playoff teams. Watkins is a sterling talent. I have always acknowledged that. But because of the deficit at the qb position Watkins was never going to realize his abundant talent here. The Bills got a starting CB in the trade and more importantly got cap room to be more flexible in reworking the roster. If the Bills are able to use that second round pick gained in the deal to maneuver to get an elite qb prospect then who can complain? McDermott wants a competitive team but he is also determined to rebuild this poorly constructed roster that he inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 If he throws his typical 185 yards per game this Sunday, I won't be impressed. However, if he has say 285 yards and 2 or 3 tds, I'll have hope Stats lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) That's fine. So ignore the 3 turnovers (-21 points), defensive TD (-7 more points) and the fact that they went into a shell defense because of the giant lead and you have a point. He also scored 10 points against a team that they scored 31 against earlier last year. Explain that? I Context matters Why are you arguing? I did not say EJ was better than TT. Re 2 game in the 2015 season. IIRC the offense scored almost the same number of points in those 2 games. Yes EJ screwed the pooch in the JAGs game and they lost the game because of it. that 2 game avg to be above 24 ppg wo those turnovers. The loss was on EJ. How can you take points scored away from them? Are we talking net points now? Edited September 9, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Why are you arguing? I did not say EJ was better than TT. All I said and I'll say it clearer the offense scored almost the same number of points in those 2 games. Yes EJ screwed the pooch in the JAGs game. we'd expect that 2 game avg to be above 24 ppg wo those turnovers. But that game is half of the sample size of the point that you are trying to prove. So yes, it happened and I explained why. That's why a sample size of 2 games or 3 100 snaps in the preseason doesn't accurately tell the story. Edited September 9, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Good post. Pretty much sums it up. But this offense has no deep threat for any QB. That is a problem. Zay Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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