Rico Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 It's well documented on this board that the piss-poor, losing culture on this team started at the top with Ralph. Peg's mistake upon taking over was keeping Ralph's stooges in charge of the team: no change at all, only continuity of the same losing mentality. This is the 1st year in forever where none of Ralph's guys are touching football operations, thank you Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 It's well documented on this board that the piss-poor, losing culture on this team started at the top with Ralph. Peg's mistake upon taking over was keeping Ralph's stooges in charge of the team: no change at all, only continuity of the same losing mentality. This is the 1st year in forever where none of Ralph's guys are touching football operations, thank you Jesus. This is something that I think doesn't get recognized enough. Good post Rico! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) It's well documented on this board that the piss-poor, losing culture on this team started at the top with Ralph. Peg's mistake upon taking over was keeping Ralph's stooges in charge of the team: no change at all, only continuity of the same losing mentality. This is the 1st year in forever where none of Ralph's guys are touching football operations, thank you Jesus. To be a little fair to Pegula, he didnt have anyone to replace them with and had no idea how to find them. And replacing an entire NFL front office is no easy lift. Hence his trust in the guys who were here, and Rex who has lived most of his life in football. Once he settled in, saw how things work, and got his hands on that advisory list, everyone was gone. Jury is still out though, obviously. Edited August 17, 2017 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 It's well documented on this board that the piss-poor, losing culture on this team started at the top with Ralph. Peg's mistake upon taking over was keeping Ralph's stooges in charge of the team: no change at all, only continuity of the same losing mentality. This is the 1st year in forever where none of Ralph's guys are touching football operations, thank you Jesus. Great point here, and the recent trades are complete proof that the old regime is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The bickering Bills culture was 1989. They shed that during the Super Bowl years. Yup. The Bills players - Kelly, Thurman, Smith, Reed etc. - have all talked about that. How the "bickering Bills" actually kind of helped lead to change and really galvanize them as a team. Which they all site (that closeness and culture that developed) as a big reason why they went to 4 SB's in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Probably so. Doesn't matter, he's still taking less salary than market value for the betterment of the team. He could strap them like Brees if he wanted to. Hold on here. He did not take less money, it was structured in a way that it all didn't hit the cap. there is a massive difference. He actually made more money by doing it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-made-a-brilliant-move-that-will-save-him-millions-while-hes-out/ Great point here, and the recent trades are complete proof that the old regime is gone. and this regime will fare the same if they do not find a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hold on here. He did not take less money, it was structured in a way that it all didn't hit the cap. there is a massive difference. He actually made more money by doing it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-made-a-brilliant-move-that-will-save-him-millions-while-hes-out/ and this regime will fare the same if they do not find a franchise QB. You are absolutely right, but I cannot believe we don't take a first round QB with the draft capital we have. The only way this doesn't happen is if Tyrod is an All Pro or we win the SuperBowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Hold on here. He did not take less money, it was structured in a way that it all didn't hit the cap. there is a massive difference. He actually made more money by doing it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-made-a-brilliant-move-that-will-save-him-millions-while-hes-out/ and this regime will fare the same if they do not find a franchise QB. He's netting about $14.5MM/year in cash 2016 through 2019. If you can't see that's WAY under market, then I can't help you. Edited August 17, 2017 by wiskibreth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yes it does. Losing and winning is contagious. It's not some magical spell. It is however a way the operation operates that leads to one or the other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yes. Of course it does. It's what I hope they're building and why I'm still hopeful about the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Like it or not NE has a culture and so does Pittsburgh. I guess I am saying yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yes and in football it matters more than other sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 A lot of people have responded that coaching is more important than culture. The head coach is the most responsible for establishing the team culture. It is very important - there are a lot of teams in all the major sports that have great talent but are underachievers and it's mostly because they do not have a winning culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) . All of them have or had culture. You think Manning or Brady didn't establish culture? You have no idea what you're talking about. Manning/Brady establishing culture? What you meant to say is in a league where so much hinges on the success of the QB, when you have a good one, everyone dials in. What happened to the Cavaliers culture of being pure garbage when they got a **** load of talent? What about the Miami heat culture that came and left with some of the league's top talent? Its so damn easy. When you have the talent to win, chances are everyone will buy in and simply put, try harder. Stop trying to be old timer farts with this - its a game, the people who are better at the game win 98% of the time. Edited August 17, 2017 by Elite Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Culture is everything. Typically the teams with a winning culture can play like garbage all game and pull it out in the end, while losing culture teams can play almost lights out all game and find a way to lose. What is huge for us this year is everyone buying into the system, sans Darby, that is always the first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Manning/Brady establishing culture? What you meant to say is in a league where so much hinges on the success of the QB, when you have a good one, everyone dials in. What happened to the Cavaliers culture of being pure garbage when they got a **** load of talent? What about the Miami heat culture that came and left with some of the league's top talent? Its so damn easy. When you have the talent to win, chances are everyone will buy in and simply put, try harder. Stop trying to be old timer farts with this - its a game, the people who are better at the game win 98% of the time. Old timer farts as you put it have wisdom. You should listen and learn. I live just outside Indy and there is absolutely no question that Manning established a culture in the Colts. His talent aside he demanded work ethic and excellence from the guys around him and established that culture and mindset. Any cursory reading of the success of Brandy and Belichicks teams will tell you the same. Do you need talent? Sure, in any organization. Do you also need a culture that optimizes use of talent and that maximizes effort of all employees? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He's netting about $14.5MM/year in cash 2016 through 2019. If you can't see that's WAY under market, then I can't help you. totally. He's the most underpaid player in the league. He doesn't care though - endorsements more than cover the difference I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I believe that talent wins in sports. How many years have we heard in Buffalo that this old player is going to teach the young guys how to do it? Never makes any difference. Kelsey was supposed to be a role model, so was Fred, so is Eric Wood, so was TO, Orton was going to teach EJ. Its talent that matters. Talent drives winning. That's all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Culture is critical to success for any organization: family, work, sports, etc. Obviously it's not the only requirement for success, but the odds of success without it are very low. He's netting about $14.5MM/year in cash 2016 through 2019. If you can't see that's WAY under market, then I can't help you. I'd bet my children Brady has a handshake deal with Kraft for significant post-retirement income as part of his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 18, 2017 Author Share Posted August 18, 2017 Culture is critical to success for any organization: family, work, sports, etc. Obviously it's not the only requirement for success, but the odds of success without it are very low. So if the bills have this amazing culture this year, what are their chances of the playoffs? I believe that talent wins in sports. How many years have we heard in Buffalo that this old player is going to teach the young guys how to do it? Never makes any difference. Kelsey was supposed to be a role model, so was Fred, so is Eric Wood, so was TO, Orton was going to teach EJ. Its talent that matters. Talent drives winning. That's all it is. It's been proven time and time again too. Culture is raised with talent, The bills could have all the culture in the world, but until they find a QB they will be a below average team, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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