Real McClappy Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) Just posted this in another thread. Once you are past the third round the likelihood of finding a guy that can come in and compete for a starting role are pretty remote. Do you really think that guys picked in late rounds are significantly better than undrafted free agents? Most of these guys come in and compete for a roster spot and at best become special teamers. The Bills may very well have picked up three starters, using those late picks to achieve that is smart. I think they have done a good job of working this draft. They may very well have filled three holes. What more do you want? Nice post Chris = spot on... Late rd picks are a complete crap shoot, This draft = 3 biggest holes are filled now. With an additional 1st rd pick next year that people are way undervaluing here. Honestly, this draft will be very satisfying if we pick up a safety, back up RB and Chad Kelly with our remaining picks. Edited April 29, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) Well, I'm coming to terms with what the Lame Duck Whaley/McDermott Ascendancy regime is doing: the slow rebuild. I would've preferred the "one last chance to go for it now" theory. To me, that would've meant keeping 10 and going for an OJ Howard, then relying on McDermott to find value later on in this deep CB class. If that didn't work, I'd have gone full rebuild (maybe just short of the Browns?) in 2018. Or I would've been o.k. with going full rebuild right now. I'm not a big fan of the slow rebuild - the one where you're afraid to shock the fans with a truly awful team, gunning for that elusive Sam Darnold next year - but that's what they're doing. And sometimes it works kind of o.k., I think? But help me here: is there an example of a current NFL good team (say, top 12 "power ranking") that didn't hit bottom before turning it around? I mean, a 6-10 type team that never had a Top 3 draft pick of their own (not a Sammy-type trade) that was able to climb up into a nice run of winning seasons? Right now only the Seahawks come to mind, so maybe that strategy depends on getting lucky with a lower round Russell Wilson. Not exactly a replicable model, is it? EDIT: here's the question. Name a team in recent NFL history (say, since 2000) that put together a 3-4 year playoff run WITHOUT having at least a 5-11 season within the two years beforehand. (that gets to the essence of my 6-10, 7-9 hell theory) Edited April 29, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 That's the bottom line. Frankly, I think the most important issue the Bills had going into the draft was quarterback. It's always about the quarterback. The Bills have a quarterback they think might be their long-term starter. They're not sure. They want to see him one more year before they write him a big check or let him go. They needed a contingency plan in case they decide next year they don't want Taylor. There were two ways to go on a contingency plan. One was draft a QB this season, in the first or second round. The problem with that was that if Taylor turns out to be the guy, you've wasted the pick. The better way to go was what they did - put yourself in a position go after a QB next year if you decide you need one. The trade down in the first round did that for them very nicely - they still got a nice first-round talent, and they now have two picks next year to package if they have to move up in the draft. And if Taylor has a good season and the Bills decided to ride with him, they have two first-round picks next season to build with. It was the right move. it was a catch 22 for me. i wanted them to do what it took to get the team better for taylor and see what happens this year.... but i also understand he may not be the guy and sorta wanted a qb early that could sit and learn for a year or 2 and be ready to step in. either way i don't know how anyone can view this draft as anything but at least solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 BTW you see a guy you want go get him. Lets give the new coach a chance and these new players as well. 3 years down the road is when we find out if it panned out. This is always said but I don't believe it. We knew James Hardy was a bust halfway through his rookie year. We knew Troup over Gronk was a mistake by the start of his second Training Camp. We saw that when Cyrus K couldn't win a starting O Line spot in 2 years that he was a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I dont agree with yours OP - First and foremost.....the best thing that they did in the draft cannot be taken away by what is done in subsequent rounds.....which was trading to get an additional 1st rounder next year...to me that is the same thing as walking into a casino....winning 500 bucks.....then putting that 500 bucks away and just playing on the 500 bucks you had when you first walked in...... - Oh and by the way.....when they traded down they got the best rated cover corner in the draft anyway. - Now onto round 2.....I have absolutely no idea how good Mike Williams or Corey Davis are going to be.....but the drafting of Zay Jones is drawing rave reviews......the guy is a big physical sure handed flat out beast....and he would NOT have been there where we picked next. Obviously the bills had him targeted and they knew it was either trade up to get him.....or lose him to another team (lets keep in mind that while accumulating picks is great.....you actually have to select players that will help you as well....its not like we are the patriots that can just continue to trade down and draft scrubs because we have a hall of fame qb to save our bacon. - I dont know about you....but I am sick and tired of watching our RT get beat off the snap half the game.....our qb takes a lot of heat for bailing out of the pocket early but people dont talk about the fact that he cant trust his RT to hold his block to get to his second progression the majority of the time.......Dawkins is a zone scheme RT and was considered one of the very best interior guys in this draft.......he is biult like a meat locker but has very good feet. We NEEDED to find a guy that would put Jordan Mills on the bench. and once again...the bills knew they needed to trade up to get their guy because RIGHT after Dawkins was picked.......Moton when directly after. - Still have more picks in this draft so it is not over.....but these guys all look like early contributers to this team......and your not gonna find EVERY position of need in one draft. If they came out of this draft with 3 solid starters that is actually a good draft. maybe just wait and see what these guys look like first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I would have taken a qb at #10, but this draft appears strong to me. I'd rather have quality at positions of need. I expect three starters from the top of our draft. The extra 2018 1st will help secure a qb, though unless we fail miserably, it won't be one of the top two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I would have taken a qb at #10, but this draft appears strong to me. I'd rather have quality at positions of need. I expect three starters from the top of our draft. The extra 2018 1st will help secure a qb, though unless we fail miserably, it won't be one of the top two. How will the extra first next season help get a QB next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 They want to find more reasons to complain. They got a grip on their gripes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 it was a catch 22 for me. i wanted them to do what it took to get the team better for taylor and see what happens this year.... but i also understand he may not be the guy and sorta wanted a qb early that could sit and learn for a year or 2 and be ready to step in. either way i don't know how anyone can view this draft as anything but at least solid. If they take a QB in the first round next season, he probably sits behind Taylor and plays in his second season. Only way he starts as a rookie is if he's clearly better than Taylor from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 There's plenty of talent in later rounds.....hell, I even heard yesterday that on opening day of the 2015 season, there was 50 UDFA on rosters across the league.....if your scouts are solid, you can find tons of players pass the 3rd round.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Didn't McDermott start off as a scout or something that Department? Apparently which I didn't know. Makes me feel slightly better but I don't know how successful he is. Ah well at the end of the day I want us to come away with 3 starters from this draft including 1 premium starter. If that's what ends up happening I'll be happy. I just don't think trading up in the 2nd is the best way to make that happen. And I really wanted a QB with one of those mid-round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 If they take a QB in the first round next season, he probably sits behind Taylor and plays in his second season. Only way he starts as a rookie is if he's clearly better than Taylor from the get go. 4 years spent on Baltimore's backup. That's 3 years spent on Trent, 3 on Fitzpatrick and we're going on our 3rd with Taylor. This team has a chance on a National Champion and passed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I like having more picks too, but I think it's easy to oversimplify these things. They saw clear differences between both Jones and Dawkins and the next guys at those positions, and opted for quality. If their judgment is right, no one will regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 48 best picks in later rounds ( 2012 article )....some good players in there.... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1140648-48-best-late-round-nfl-draft-picks-of-all-time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 How will the extra first next season help get a QB next season? Presumably it allows one to package two ones to get higher in the first if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 If they take a QB in the first round next season, he probably sits behind Taylor and plays in his second season. Only way he starts as a rookie is if he's clearly better than Taylor from the get go. Shaw, They should all know this by now. You are wasting your time trying to explain something to those who will not see. Their mind is closed as far as the QB position is concerned, Whaley too for that matter, and nothing we say will make much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Shaw, They should all know this by now. You are wasting your time trying to explain something to those who will not see. Their mind is closed as far as the QB position is concerned, Whaley too for that matter, and nothing we say will make much of a difference. well beings that his post was directed towards me I feel obligated to respond to this..... I totally understand what he's saying and its what I also said we should do. go ahead and read our dialogue the last couple of pages before you lump me in with a certain type of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'm not angry, I think everythiung will be ok. #Anger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Presumably it allows one to package two ones to get higher in the first if need be. From what I've read to this point there are 3 QB's to watch for 2018 that are said to be superior to any of the QB's in the 2017 class. Darnold USC, Rosen UCLA, and Allen Wyoming. Maybe others? Bundling what might be another Bills top 10 pick next year with what projects to the 24th spot for KC based on current Super Bowl odds could move the Bills up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 well beings that his post was directed towards me I feel obligated to respond to this..... I totally understand what he's saying and its what I also said we should do. go ahead and read our dialogue the last couple of pages before you lump me in with a certain type of person. If you feel you fit what I said then that's on you. I responded to Shaw. You jumped in so.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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