Andre Holmes officially signed

[Imissbeastmode]

Holmes is a bum. Very inconsistent. There's a reason why he wasn't the #2 in Oakland and no one else signed him.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Holmes is a bum. Very inconsistent. There's a reason why he wasn't the #2 in Oakland and no one else signed him.

....thanks for the valuable insight and assessment.....

[BuffAlone]

Holmes is a bum. Very inconsistent. There's a reason why he wasn't the #2 in Oakland and no one else signed him.

that reason is Michael Crabtree

[Ittakestime]

that reason is Michael Crabtree

 

You realize they signed Crabtree and drafted Cooper after Holmes was already on the team?

 

That alone tells you how they viewed Holmes.

[Doc]

You realize they signed Crabtree and drafted Cooper after Holmes was already on the team?

 

That alone tells you how they viewed Holmes.

 

No one ever said he was a great WR.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Check out Tyrod's stats with and without Sammy. This includes Robert who was a better #2 than anything we have now (and I don't love Bob Woods to begin with).

I looked them up the other day. YPP were down but total yards was only off by 13 or so.

[BuffAlone]

 

You realize they signed Crabtree and drafted Cooper after Holmes was already on the team?

 

That alone tells you how they viewed Holmes.

lucky for them,they had less holes to worry about than we do...

Nice to have luxury type picks. He will earn his money in Buffalo as the number two, or three.Depending on how the draft shakes out. Im by no means advocating him as a #2,just looking at overall needs

[wilcoam]

And if our Buffalo Bills desire a better passing attack, and want to surround TT with better talent, they should view signings like Holmes and Brown the same way, it's depth, WR's 4 and WR's 5, solid depth, looking at them as anything else is putting our team at a talent disadvantage to all the opposing teams we play

 

Like Raiders and Texans fans, and their management, two teams which we are potentially looking at competing with for a WC spoilt in 2017, I really hope we are seriously looking at WR#2 and WR#3 in this draft, because right Sammy is our only real NFL WR starter

 

That is if you think Bills Mgmt should be doing something tangible to improve the 2017 starting offense

 

jc

[John from Riverside]

Holmes is a bum. Very inconsistent. There's a reason why he wasn't the #2 in Oakland and no one else signed him.

How insightful...thank you for your contribution

 

You realize they signed Crabtree and drafted Cooper after Holmes was already on the team?

 

That alone tells you how they viewed Holmes.

You obviously dont understand the Raiders.....

 

They have always made it a point to have more good wide receivers then they need.

[Royale with Cheese]

We have a lot of people complaining that we are not knuckling down and passing when we need to to win big games

 

Having better pass catcher's that can make plays would go a long way to doing that

Then why were we still bottom of the league in passing in 2015 with Watkins, Woods and Clay mostly healthy all year?

[John from Riverside]

Then why were we still bottom of the league in passing in 2015 with Watkins, Woods and Clay mostly healthy all year?

we were better in 2015 then we were in 2016

 

It was TT's first year starting

 

Woods was NOT healthy...that is a fallacy.....he has nt been healthy the last 2 years

 

Watkins and TT actually were connecting in the latter half of the year

[Royale with Cheese]

we were better in 2015 then we were in 2016

 

It was TT's first year starting

 

Woods was NOT healthy...that is a fallacy.....he has nt been healthy the last 2 years

 

Watkins and TT actually were connecting in the latter half of the year

We were minimally better between the years.

Woods started 14 games....healthy enough to start.

 

Even though Taylor and Watkins were connecting in the 2nd half, we still were hovering around 200 yards a game passing and bottom of the league.

Taylors completion percentage dipped in the second half.

[Imissbeastmode]

Only Bills fans would think that a WR 4 from another team can be a WR 2 on the Bills.

[John from Riverside]

We were minimally better between the years.

Woods started 14 games....healthy enough to start.

 

Even though Taylor and Watkins were connecting in the 2nd half, we still were hovering around 200 yards a game passing and bottom of the league.

Taylors completion percentage dipped in the second half.

Its scheme to Teef....

 

We were great at running the ball....so we ran the ball.....

 

I agree that we need to throw it more especially when the time calls for it or when the running game isnt clicking.....but they did what the team was good at.

[Royale with Cheese]

Its scheme to Teef....

 

We were great at running the ball....so we ran the ball.....

 

I agree that we need to throw it more especially when the time calls for it or when the running game isnt clicking.....but they did what the team was good at.

Well Lynn specifically stated the one thing they needed to work on was passing the ball...with this aspect, they could have opened up th offense more. It wasn't just "we're good at running so we will just run it"...a lot had to do with the passing was a weakness. So Lynn did see it as an issue.

[starrymessenger]

Only Bills fans would think that a WR 4 from another team can be a WR 2 on the Bills.

Well I'm a Bills fan and I don't think that. To me he is a WR 3 or, ideally, a WR4 who is a good STs player. He is an upgrade to JH and a good signing. The #2 WR is likely about to be drafted IMO, either in the 1st or 2nd round.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

While there are no "locks" in this year's draft there are 5-6 prospects worthy of consideration in round 2 or 3. It's obvious the Bills don't really trust Tyrod and they've got to get someone else on the roster to develop besides Cardale.

I don't agree about needing more than Cardale, at least this season. You have your project QB and there are only so many snaps in practice to go around. Give them all to Cardale this year so you can better evaluate him.

 

The caveat being if the coaching staff already thinks Cardale is a capable #2. Then I'd be okay with getting a QB, though I'm not as high on anyone this draft. Maybe they take a chance on Chad Kelly as a UDFA?

Edited March 20, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[Ramza86]

Id be incredibly happy if we had a Watkins/Holmes/(Williams/Davis).

I think Holmes is a good signing...Tall guy...big plays. Makes me think we go DB in the first.

[BADOLBILZ]

And if our Buffalo Bills desire a better passing attack, and want to surround TT with better talent, they should view signings like Holmes and Brown the same way, it's depth, WR's 4 and WR's 5, solid depth, looking at them as anything else is putting our team at a talent disadvantage to all the opposing teams we play

 

Like Raiders and Texans fans, and their management, two teams which we are potentially looking at competing with for a WC spoilt in 2017, I really hope we are seriously looking at WR#2 and WR#3 in this draft, because right Sammy is our only real NFL WR starter

 

That is if you think Bills Mgmt should be doing something tangible to improve the 2017 starting offense

 

jc

 

 

Yeah this idea that they don't need QUALITY at WR because Taylor is the QB is nonsense.

 

Great QB's distribute the ball and can get by with less overall talent..........Taylor isn't going to hit 7 different receivers every game........he improves exponentially when he is given WR talent.

 

Part of the undercurrent of this "we don't need WR talent" is the fear that Taylor will put up numbers/people wanting him to fail.

 

I understand the fear of settling for a less than franchise QB.........I used to pray for a long, healthy career for Chad Pennington because I knew his weaknesses would perenially keep the Jets out of real championship contention.

 

But there is no need to hope for failure to force the Bills hand with Taylor......he will either raise his game from the pocket or he will flame out in a couple years and not get extended......it's too hard to maintain running the ball as much as Taylor has.

[Maury Ballstein]

Yeah this idea that they don't need QUALITY at WR because Taylor is the QB is nonsense.

 

Great QB's distribute the ball and can get by with less overall talent..........Taylor isn't going to hit 7 different receivers every game........he improves exponentially when he is given WR talent.

 

Part of the undercurrent of this "we don't need WR talent" is the fear that Taylor will put up numbers/people wanting him to fail.

 

I understand the fear of settling for a less than franchise QB.........I used to pray for a long, healthy career for Chad Pennington because I knew his weaknesses would perenially keep the Jets out of real championship contention.

 

But there is no need to hope for failure to force the Bills hand with Taylor......he will either raise his game from the pocket or he will flame out in a couple years and not get extended......it's too hard to maintain running the ball as much as Taylor has.

1 year. Don't need a "couple"

 

Couple started last year.

[jeffismagic]

 

 

Yeah this idea that they don't need QUALITY at WR because Taylor is the QB is nonsense.

 

Great QB's distribute the ball and can get by with less overall talent..........Taylor isn't going to hit 7 different receivers every game........he improves exponentially when he is given WR talent.

 

Part of the undercurrent of this "we don't need WR talent" is the fear that Taylor will put up numbers/people wanting him to fail.

 

I understand the fear of settling for a less than franchise QB.........I used to pray for a long, healthy career for Chad Pennington because I knew his weaknesses would perenially keep the Jets out of real championship contention.

 

But there is no need to hope for failure to force the Bills hand with Taylor......he will either raise his game from the pocket or he will flame out in a couple years and not get extended......it's too hard to maintain running the ball as much as Taylor has.

 

Badol, the problem is that many of us don't want to wait for a "couple more years". The process of drafting and developing a QB needed to start yesterday.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 year. Don't need a "couple"

 

Couple started last year.

 

 

Regardless, they need WR talent to ease in a young QB as well.

 

If Sammy got hurt and Andre Holmes was WR1 for Mitchell Trubisky that would be a tough spot to evaluate him from.

 

Badol, the problem is that many of us don't want to wait for a "couple more years". The process of drafting and developing a QB needed to start yesterday.

 

 

They drafted Cardale last year and i hope they draft another early this year.

 

If they are the right QB you don't need to struggle with them for 2-3 years you should be able to plug them right in if you have a good OL, WR talent, a TE and a running game.

 

So don't shortchange the support system.

 

Rodgers, Dak, Russell Wilson......all plug-and-play.......no need to "develop" or take lumps if you have the right environment.........even Taylor hit the ground running in a system that suited him after basically never playing.

 

Put a good offense around them and if they don't produce kick them to the curb and try another one.

 

Last thing we need is some pampered excuse-generator like Matt Stafford who takes 7 years to learn how to not lose games for you.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I don't think he changes our draft plans, just a nice combination of Hunter and Easley.

[Riverboat Richie]

 

Badol, the problem is that many of us don't want to wait for a "couple more years". The process of drafting and developing a QB needed to start yesterday.

 

So Scouts, GMs and Coaches be damned because many FANS don't want to wait a couple more years. Just waste a pick and take a QB, any QB, just for the sake of taking a QB because it's what the fans want. Doesn't matter if the guy can run your system or can't grasp the Pro Game. Doesn't matter if he didn't play more than two years or who he played against, just take one right?. .....Wow....

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

 

 

Yeah this idea that they don't need QUALITY at WR because Taylor is the QB is nonsense.

 

Great QB's distribute the ball and can get by with less overall talent..........Taylor isn't going to hit 7 different receivers every game........he improves exponentially when he is given WR talent.

 

Part of the undercurrent of this "we don't need WR talent" is the fear that Taylor will put up numbers/people wanting him to fail.

 

I understand the fear of settling for a less than franchise QB.........I used to pray for a long, healthy career for Chad Pennington because I knew his weaknesses would perenially keep the Jets out of real championship contention.

 

But there is no need to hope for failure to force the Bills hand with Taylor......he will either raise his game from the pocket or he will flame out in a couple years and not get extended......it's too hard to maintain running the ball as much as Taylor has.

Nobody is rooting for failure, all I want to see is wins. The Bills will likely have the lowest pass play % in the league, its a college style offense with lots of option running plays. I can't think of an offense where the WR position is more de-emphasized than ours. The less you pass, the less impact WRs have on the game. Taylor is not the kind of QB who instinctually puts his guys in jump ball situations and trusts them to make a play.

[jeffismagic]

 

So Scouts, GMs and Coaches be damned because many FANS don't want to wait a couple more years. Just waste a pick and take a QB, any QB, just for the sake of taking a QB because it's what the fans want. Doesn't matter if the guy can run your system or can't grasp the Pro Game. Doesn't matter if he didn't play more than two years or who he played against, just take one right?. .....Wow....

The Bills decided it was more important to spend 3 picks on an inside linebacker then draft a QB last year. They traded the pick they were going to use to draft Dak Prescott.

 

You might like this ridiculous unfocused strategy. I do not.

 

And for the record, if Trubisky and Mahomes were gone before ten I would not reach for someone else.

[Riverboat Richie]

The Bills decided it was more important to spend 3 picks on an inside linebacker then draft a QB last year. They traded the pick they were going to use to draft Dak Prescott.

 

You might like this ridiculous unfocused strategy. I do not.

 

And for the record, if Trubisky and Mahomes were gone before ten I would not reach for someone else.

 

A little of topic but you think Dak Prescott would have had the same things happen to him had the Bills taken him? Prescott, like Wilson, would not have been the QBs they are now had the Bills taken either. It doesn't work like that. I still don't believe a QB should be taken before the third round this year. It's my opinion and what I believe.

[jeffismagic]

 

A little of topic but you think Dak Prescott would have had the same things happen to him had the Bills taken him? Prescott, like Wilson, would not have been the QBs they are now had the Bills taken either. It doesn't work like that. I still don't believe a QB should be taken before the third round this year. It's my opinion and what I believe.

 

As soon as Dak stepped on the field the Cowboys knew they struck gold, There is a reason they had no panic when they lost Romo.

[John from Riverside]

The Bills decided it was more important to spend 3 picks on an inside linebacker then draft a QB last year. They traded the pick they were going to use to draft Dak Prescott.

 

You might like this ridiculous unfocused strategy. I do not.

 

And for the record, if Trubisky and Mahomes were gone before ten I would not reach for someone else.

Why do you think it was unfocused strategy?

 

Tyrod was showing he was the best qb to come along since Kelly.....and the defense was floundering under Ryan

 

Rex Ryan was probably begging for defensive talent to save his ass....thank fully for us Whaley was smart and got guys that can play in any system.

 

Sounds focused to me.

[Riverboat Richie]

 

As soon as Dak stepped on the field the Cowboys knew they struck gold, There is a reason they had no panic when they lost Romo.

 

No one is disputing that. Would not have had the same outcome in Buffalo. All I'm saying.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Holmes is a bum. Very inconsistent. There's a reason why he wasn't the #2 in Oakland and no one else signed him.

 

 

that reason is Michael Crabtree

 

Holmes was as a big-play threat in 2013, with an average of 17.2 yards per reception. 2014 he started in 13 games and posted a team-leading 693 receiving yards — that was the team that started 0-10.

 

Then they brought in other players and he dropped to 3rd on the chart.

 

If he can play like he did in 2013, who wouldn't want to see an average of 17.2 yards per reception?

Edited March 20, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[Bray Wyatt]

The Bills decided it was more important to spend 3 picks on an inside linebacker then draft a QB last year. They traded the pick they were going to use to draft Dak Prescott.

 

You might like this ridiculous unfocused strategy. I do not.

 

And for the record, if Trubisky and Mahomes were gone before ten I would not reach for someone else.

 

I wonder if we were allowed to trade comp picks last year if we would have been able to trade the pick we used for Cardale and then been able to select Prescott

[jeffismagic]

 

No one is disputing that. Would not have had the same outcome in Buffalo. All I'm saying.

 

It's all speculation but I think Tyrod keeps Dak on bench but coaching staff is so wowed with Dak that they just let Tyrod go and start Dak this year.

[Riverboat Richie]

 

It's all speculation but I think Tyrod keeps Dak on bench but coaching staff is so wowed with Dak that they just let Tyrod go and start Dak this year.

 

Wrecks would not have sat Taylor. Doesn't sound like something Wrecks would do. In fact wasn't the topic of conversation how Wrecks was let go early due to the benching or non-benching of Taylor? With or without Wrecks, no telling who would start but I believe the Bills would have had to go with Taylor. Why release him if Dak sat the bench and didn't get a shot at showing what he could do? Doesn't make sense.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

how did we get to TT versus Dak in a WR thread?

 

Taylor is our QB period

[YoloinOhio]

how did we get to TT versus Dak in a WR thread?

 

 

Taylor is our QB period

the magic of... Jeff? Edited March 20, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[John from Riverside]

the magic of... Jeff?

The boards resident thread hijacker

[jeffismagic]

The boards resident thread hijacker

 

I believe the thread was already discussing TT before me but thanks for making stuff up.

[Riverboat Richie]

The boards resident thread hijacker.

 

Yea, you're right, it should have followed the Kaepernick value thread.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

I believe the thread was already discussing TT before me but thanks for making stuff up.

TT is our QB is he not?