Trump and Russia

[Benjamin Franklin]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

"Big boy thread" 

 

You were wrong (through multiple years and screen names). By a lot. You chose to trust the words of PROVEN liars from the start (while claiming they have no personal motives to lie) instead of doing your own due diligence.

 

I was right. By a lot. 

 

***** off now.

 

 

(No personal motive to lie per BF's discernment detector)

 

       

 

Obsess about me much DR?

 

2017, back when I was saying Russia tried to influence our election, based on statements by our security agencies--and you were saying I was wrong. 

 

It's awesome that you somehow think you're right, even when everything, even your hero Trump, admits Russia ran a campaign to influence the election. 

 

I was right. You were wrong. 

 

I don't think you want me digging out your greatest hits bucko, not that I care about all your past stupid statements to care to quote them...except your defense of the Hyperspace Research Institute guy. That chain might be worth digging out for comedy gold. Only that Dwight Drane end of the world odds chart was ever better. 

 

Edited August 22, 2019 by Benjamin Franklin

[GG]

 

3 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Obsess about me much DR?

 

2017, back when I was saying Russia tried to influence our election, based on statements by our security agencies--and you were saying I was wrong. 

 

 

 

Who wrote this, and does it have the same meaning as the quotes above?

Quote

 

This topic is leaking into 20 threads.

 

My question now echoes from Watergate, "What did the president know and when did he know it?"

 

Also want more info on what Flynn discussed and what is the nature of the Trump campaign contacts with Russian intel. I might have contacted Russian intel when I picked up my rental car today.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

It's awesome that you somehow think you're right, even when everything, even your hero Trump, admits Russia ran a campaign to influence the election. 

 

Russia trying to influence our election is not illegal. You may not like it, but I’m not sure what you plan on doing about it.

However, it’s more likely what they were REALLY trying to do was sow discord in America and if anyone is eating of Putin’s hand....it’s you!

[Deranged Rhino]

26 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Obsess about me much DR?

 

2017, back when I was saying Russia tried to influence our election, based on statements by our security agencies--and you were saying I was wrong. 

 

Nice dodge. Move those goalposts when things don't suit you... like this: 

 

On 8/2/2019 at 8:17 AM, McGee Return TD said:

Get a Spanish to English dictionary and let me know where it says "migra" means "ICE"

 

   

 

In the post above you were arguing Russia hacked the DNC -- which has STILL yet to be proven, and if anything it's been proven to be highly unlikely. But sure, pretend you were talking about something else like you always do. Better yet, change names again.

 

Every single thing you laid out in this thread in 2016 and 2017 (and in 2018 under different names) was proven to be wrong. Not because you're not smart. But because you're too egotistical to think you could be wrong. Nothing was more wrong than the trust you chose to place in "people who have no motive to lie to you" like Clapper (who proven in 2013 he would lie to the public) and Brennan (who also was a proven liar before 2016) -- saying that comment in 2016 was proof of your own ignorance and partisanship. Saying it today in 2019 with all we know about those three men is nothing short of tin foil hat delusional. 

 

 You got this whole story wrong because you're incapable of thinking for yourself, and as you admit, you put your faith in those who know more than you. That's why you're an asshat. I could pull endless amounts of quotes from you and your other handles on this topic which now, with what we know (from evidence I brought forward in large part) look worse than anything Tibs has ever written. 

 

Now run away. Again. 

[Benjamin Franklin]

You quoting McGee as me totally makes my day. I mean totally. 

 

You are one of a kind buddy. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Paragons of truth and virtue -- don't question them, they're "experts who know more than us". 

BF

 

[Benjamin Franklin]

45 minutes ago, GG said:

 

 

Who wrote this, and does it have the same meaning as the quotes above?

 

 

Let’s see: I took the Watergate quote and spun it for wanting info on Trump’s knowledge about it. We got those answers.

 

And we also got lots of confirmation that the Russians actively worked to help get him elected, something you questioned because the intel community confirmed it, because “intel/Illuminati.” And of course we continue to ignore the discord they sow and can still sow. 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

"Hey, remember that time BF said we were honest and had no motive to lie? How funny was that, John?"

[Benjamin Franklin]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Paragons of truth and virtue -- don't question them, they're "experts who know more than us". 

BF

 

 

You should quote BF in Indiana as me. Or Rich in Ohio. 

 

Did you hear the one about Reggie Jackson in the elevator?

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

"Hey, remember that time BF said we were honest and had no motive to lie? How funny was that, John?"

 

Are you posting Illuminati yearbook photos?

[Deranged Rhino]

"Remember to tell BF, who believes us to be above reproach because of our position, that there are no elite pedophilia rings -- that's 'ilumminati nonsense' -- certainly not two connected to the Clintons which will be revealed in 2018 and 2019."

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...any news yet if Putin is Trump's "Campaign Reelection Manager" yet?......seemed to be successful the first time around, right?...just askin'.............

[GG]

59 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Let’s see: I took the Watergate quote and spun it for wanting info on Trump’s knowledge about it. We got those answers.

 

And we also got lots of confirmation that the Russians actively worked to help get him elected, something you questioned because the intel community confirmed it, because “intel/Illuminati.” And of course we continue to ignore the discord they sow and can still sow. 

 

 

 

And in the intervening 2.5 years facts have come out that blew the Watergate theory out of the water, yet you twist the narrative to make it seem $200k in fake FB ads is serious election meddling.

 

You’d be taken more seriously if you were consistent and honest in your opinions.   Even Greggy admits to being wrong when facts don’t back his position.

[TakeYouToTasker]

Cross posted:

 

 

[Benjamin Franklin]

23 minutes ago, GG said:

 

And in the intervening 2.5 years facts have come out that blew the Watergate theory out of the water, yet you twist the narrative to make it seem $200k in fake FB ads is serious election meddling.

 

You’d be taken more seriously if you were consistent and honest in your opinions.   Even Greggy admits to being wrong when facts don’t back his position.

 

The Watergate line was the one I quoted. I didn’t say Trump was guilty. I wanted answers.  

 

And we got them. The Russians did meddle and even hacked into voting machines. Greg said the intel agencies were wrong in that conclusion because he’s into his theory that they are Illuminati-run. Nothing to worry about that the Russians did that right?

 

Trump didn't collude. That. Is. Good. For. America. 

 

Greg doesn’t admit he’s wrong. He just rewrites the story. He thinks I’m McGee!

Edited August 22, 2019 by Benjamin Franklin

[Deranged Rhino]

COMEY: "I think it refers to material..."

BRENNAN (As Comey continues): "Someone ***** farted."

 

CLAPPER (breaking the 4th wall and addressing camera directly as Comey speaks...): "You see, BF, what Mr. Brennan is smelling is the odious BS coming out of Mr. Comey's mouth. Most people would call what he's doing right now lying to Congress. But since we are experts in our fields with no motives to lie to the country, you are not allowed to call him out for lying and must ridicule anyone who dares to think for themselves. Otherwise Putin wins."

 

 

(Also, no one hacked into voting machines -- but liars gonna lie and move goal posts)

[GG]

7 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

The Watergate line was the one I quoted. I didn’t say Trump was guilty. I wanted answers.  

 

And we got them. The Russians did meddle and even hacked into voting machines. Greg said the intel agencies were wrong in that conclusion because he’s into his theory that they are Illuminati-run. Nothing to worry about that the Russians did that right?

 

Trump didn't collude. That. Is. Good. For. America. 

 

Greg doesn’t admit he’s wrong. He just rewrites the story. He thinks I’m McGee!

 

There's far greater instances of you changing the plot line than Greggy, evidenced by above.

 

The entire premise of using a Watergate quote is to tie a President to an alleged crime.  If you are now saying that it was an innocuous quote, you're being disingenuous.  You started the thread right at the beginning of the Trump Russia collusion hysteria, meaning there's intent to use that specific quote in that context at that time.

  

After 2.5 years, it's a big fat, never mind.  Don't worry about Trump, look at the Facebook ads and unsubstantiated news bout some rigged voting machines.

[3rdnlng]

33 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

 

 

And we got them. The Russians did meddle and even hacked into voting machines. Greg said the intel agencies were wrong in that conclusion because he’s into his theory that they are Illuminati-run. Nothing to worry about that the Russians did that right?

 

. 

 

 

Those voting machines are online?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

"Big boy thread" 

 

You were wrong (through multiple years and screen names). By a lot. You chose to trust the words of PROVEN liars from the start (while claiming they have no personal motives to lie) instead of doing your own due diligence.

 

I was right. By a lot. 

 

***** off now.

 

 

(No personal motive to lie per BF's discernment detector)

 

       

 

...modern day Moe, Larry & Curly?...just askin'......slowly I turned.....

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

(Also, no one hacked into voting machines -- but liars gonna lie and move goal posts)

 

Well, I don't think Russia hacked my voting machine, but there was a nice Russian gentleman standing behind me with a machete to ensure I voted 'correctly', as he put it, thought his thick Russian accent. He was quite adamant that he did not want to hack off any of my limbs so long as I voted for the right candidate.

[Benjamin Franklin]

4 hours ago, GG said:

 

There's far greater instances of you changing the plot line than Greggy, evidenced by above.

 

The entire premise of using a Watergate quote is to tie a President to an alleged crime.  If you are now saying that it was an innocuous quote, you're being disingenuous.  You started the thread right at the beginning of the Trump Russia collusion hysteria, meaning there's intent to use that specific quote in that context at that time.

  

After 2.5 years, it's a big fat, never mind.  Don't worry about Trump, look at the Facebook ads and unsubstantiated news bout some rigged voting machines.

 

Don't be dense. I didn’t joint the hang Trump brigade. I just started the thread and enjoyed the early rounds. Then it spun out of control with the TDS people spinning it up. 

 

And I agree that it’s a big fat never mind regarding Trump. It is not a big fat never mind regarding Russia. 

[Benjamin Franklin]

This is the IC Report we were debating back then. You look pretty stupid stating that it was “wrong on every page.” 

 

Its conclusions were:

 

Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin.

 Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.

 We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data  obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.

 Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.

 Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.

We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.

 

Now I know you’re all excited to Deep State ***** about Guccifer 2.0 but setting your Q-theories aside, what of the above has been proven “wrong on ever page” you moran?

 

Stick to the ICA since that’s all we discussed in 2017 with respect to trusting their conclusions. I never said anything about Steele. I never said Trump colluded. Stick to your point and try not to go all-Illuminati fiction narrative. Or here, I’ll do it for you. 

 

The report was right. 

 

[org-azm is censored? Damn Russians. Wolverine!]

Edited August 23, 2019 by Benjamin Franklin

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

This is the IC Report we were debating back then. You look pretty stupid stating that it was “wrong on every page.” 

 

Its conclusions were:

 

Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin.

 Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties.

 We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data  obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks.

 Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.

 Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.

We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.

 

Now I know you’re all excited to Deep State ***** about Guccifer 2.0 but setting your Q-theories aside, what of the above has been proven “wrong on ever page” you moran?

 

Stick to the ICA since that’s all we discussed in 2017 with respect to trusting their conclusions. I never said anything about Steele. I never said Trump colluded. Stick to your point and try not to go all-Illuminati fiction narrative. Or here, I’ll do it for you. 

 

The report was right. 

 

[org-azm is censored? Damn Russians. Wolverine!]

Its hard to prove long diatribes with no specifics wrong.  You point that out in the Q thread often.  In the above you are more than willing to accept them or at least demand proof of a negative.

 

You chose a title for this thread.  Even if the above is all true and more than a Facebook page with a Jesus v Satan epic arm wrestling throw down; why would you have chosen that title?

 

Why not:

 

Truman

Dewey

Kennedy

Johnson

Nixon

Ford 

Carter

Reagan

Bush

Clinton

Bush

Obama

Trump and Russia?

[Benjamin Franklin]

13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Its hard to prove long diatribes with no specifics wrong.  You point that out in the Q thread often.  In the above you are more than willing to accept them or at least demand proof of a negative.

 

You chose a title for this thread.  Even if the above is all true and more than a Facebook page with a Jesus v Satan epic arm wrestling throw down; why would you have chosen that title?

 

Why not:

 

Truman

Dewey

Kennedy

Johnson

Nixon

Ford 

Carter

Reagan

Bush

Clinton

Bush

Obama

Trump and Russia?

 

Even you can acknowledge that the Trump/Russia story was in the news once or twice, eh? I started this thread as noted because it was leaking into a bunch of others and thought we should capture it in one place. 

 

You’d not find much in my posting history to support Trump-Russia TDS. 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Benjamin Franklin

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Even you can acknowledge that the Trump/Russia story was in the news once or twice, eh? 

 

Again, you’d not find much in my posting history to support Trump-Russia TDS. 

 

 

It was it the news and it was very obviously a hoax.  You entitled the thread, not me or anyone else.  You never supported the Trump/Russia theory?

 

You created a thread called "Trump and Russia.".  Why not "Trump and Russia?"?  Why not "Russian Meddling"?

 

 

[Benjamin Franklin]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

It was it the news and it was very obviously a hoax.  You entitled the thread, not me or anyone else.  You never supported the Trump/Russia theory?

 

You created a thread called "Trump and Russia.".  Why not "Trump and Russia?"?  Why not "Russian Meddling"?

 

 

 

Russia and Trump was something called "news" that 1 or 2 people were discussing. 

 

You were more sensible as Crayonz. 

[Tiberius]

Playing dumb is a tactic. They forget everything that hurts their brains to hear 

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Russia and Trump was something called "news" that 1 or 2 people were discussing. 

 

You were more sensible as Crayonz. 

It was also very obviously false and made incomprehensible leaps in logic.

 

Q has also been called "news" and also made incomprehensible leaps in logic.  You mocked one and felt the other was credible enough to entitle your thread the way you chose.  

 

Look, it's totally fine to dislike Trump and get disappointed that Katy Perry's favorite candidate lost.  We should all support each other's right to choose what we choose when it comes to politics.  One doesn't need to explain the reasons behind any such decision.  If they do, the reasons needn't be good or logical.  If I vote for Trump because I like his hair or the absurd length of his ties, that is ultimately my right even if it deserves mockery.  

 

We should also own our mistakes.  In the early part of this thread you argued for pages about the word "hacking" which you were wrong about.  Trump also used the word and he was also wrong.  At least own that.  You're a smart dude without question.  It's also clear that you think others are dumb.  Spoiler alert:. Lots aren't.

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

It was also very obviously false and made incomprehensible leaps in logic.

 

Q has also been called "news" and also made incomprehensible leaps in logic.  You mocked one and felt the other was credible enough to entitle your thread the way you chose.  

 

Look, it's totally fine to dislike Trump and get disappointed that Katy Perry's favorite candidate lost.  We should all support each other's right to choose what we choose when it comes to politics.  One doesn't need to explain the reasons behind any such decision.  If they do, the reasons needn't be good or logical.  If I vote for Trump because I like his hair or the absurd length of his ties, that is ultimately my right even if it deserves mockery.  

 

We should also own our mistakes.  In the early part of this thread you argued for pages about the word "hacking" which you were wrong about.  Trump also used the word and he was also wrong.  At least own that.  You're a smart dude without question.  It's also clear that you think others are dumb.  Spoiler alert:. Lots aren't.

So you say it's fake news that the Russians hacked into voting systems in all fifty states? 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Andrew McCabe, one of the central figures of the “Russia collusion” hoax, who was fired from the FBI for lying about his leaks to the media,

 

has been hired by CNN, one of the media outlets that did the most to perpetuate the damaging hoax.

 

 

 

.

 

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Andrew McCabe, one of the central figures of the “Russia collusion” hoax, who was fired from the FBI for lying about his leaks to the media,

 

has been hired by CNN, one of the media outlets that did the most to perpetuate the damaging hoax.

 

 

 

.

 

 

nope

not enough to make me tune in

 

[GG]

Still disingenuous.  

[Deranged Rhino]

4 hours ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

This is the IC Report we were debating back then. You look pretty stupid stating that it was “wrong on every page.” 

 

It was. 

 

Notice, Mueller's case against the IRA is falling apart in court as we speak due to lack of evidence. They lied on nearly every page -- including about basic facts like which agencies agreed with the limited group's assessments. 

 

It's been gone through, line by line in this thread and others. You're way behind the curve because you refuse to think for yourself. 

 

Sorry, not sorry. You've earned every bit of your ignorance. 

 

(Mind you, I disproved the ICA almost a year before Q even arrived. Q has nothing this. 

3 hours ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

You’d not find much in my posting history to support Trump-Russia TDS. 

 

Until you changed screen names of course.

[Joe Miner]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was. 

 

Notice, Mueller's case against the IRA is falling apart in court as we speak due to lack of evidence. They lied on nearly every page -- including about basic facts like which agencies agreed with the limited group's assessments. 

 

It's been gone through, line by line in this thread and others. You're way behind the curve because you refuse to think for yourself. 

 

Sorry, not sorry. You've earned every bit of your ignorance. 

 

(Mind you, I disproved the ICA almost a year before Q even arrived. Q has nothing this. 

 

Until you changed screen names of course.

 

 

This is BF following the leftist playbook to a T.

 

His gotcha moment turned out to be lame and will end up blowing up in his face.

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

 

This is BF following the leftist playbook to a T.

 

His gotcha moment turned out to be lame and will end up blowing up in his face.

 

He's reading the ICA in 2019 with 2016 eyes... because he's learned nothing about the men who wrote it, how it was created (breaking protocols), the merit of the evidence presented (paper thin to flat out forged), and the motivation behind it. He's overlooking that NSA, the agency in the best position to know/collect evidence, had it's confidence in the ICA at 50%, overlooking the multiple lies told by the media which have since been retracted ("All 17 intel agencies agree!"), and he's forgotten the evolution we've all witnessed from Clapper, Brennan, and Comey shifting from:

 

2016/2017: "There's absolutely evidence Trump conspired with Russia!"

to 2018: "There might be evidence Trump conspired with Russia!"

to 2019 after Mueller's report:"Trump didn't conspire with Russia and we never said he did!"

[GG]

14 hours ago, Benjamin Franklin said:

 

Don't be dense. I didn’t joint the hang Trump brigade. I just started the thread and enjoyed the early rounds. Then it spun out of control with the TDS people spinning it up. 

 

And I agree that it’s a big fat never mind regarding Trump. It is not a big fat never mind regarding Russia. 

There's a lot of real estate in between thinking there was an organized plot to take down a duly elected President and believing in a global canal that controls the world.  

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

There's a lot of real estate in between thinking there was an organized plot to take down a duly elected President and believing in a global canal that controls the world.  

 

Or...is there???  WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!1!!!11!1!1OneOneOne!1!!(-e^i(pi))

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Or...is there???  WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!1!!!11!1!1OneOneOne!1!!(-e^i(pi))

 

Would have been more convincing had you thrown an “eleventy-one” in there for good measure.

 

7/10

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Would have been more convincing had you thrown an “eleventy-one” in there for good measure.

 

7/10

 

C'mon...you prefer "eleventy-one" over Euler's identity?  Go eat some more paste.

[Bray Wyatt]

29 minutes ago, GG said:

There's a lot of real estate in between thinking there was an organized plot to take down a duly elected President and believing in a global canal that controls the world.  

 

A global canal?????? 

[Benjamin Franklin]

23 minutes ago, GG said:

There's a lot of real estate in between thinking there was an organized plot to take down a duly elected President and believing in a global canal that controls the world.  

 

You're sane so I'll give one last note on this. In this thread over 2 years ago, I stated that I didn't think Trump was in cahoots with the Russians. OGT can get excited about the thread title that reflected a news story, but I was saying back then I didn't think he was in business with Putin. And I'm happy he's not. I hate some things about Trump. I love some things about Trump. I loathe the frenzy that TDS has created...and that Q-balls are generating on the opposite site. 

 

A TDS Trump-Russia conspiracy movement run amok took off in the media. Stzrok was maybe the best example of the mindset because we got to see his human side in his loverboy texts. Was he part of a global conspiracy or a Trump-hating bad actor who followed his TDS bias? Was Comey part of a conspiracy, or a terrible FBI director with an awful boss who was doing unprecedented (in a bad way) things to influence independent investigations? I see humans doing criminal--or borderline criminal--things, and a president who was playing loose with his tongue and the law. The TDS is greatly disturbing and goes to show what groupthink can do to people. 

 

Seacrest out.