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1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said:

Boy, thanks to all of the earlier discussion, we can save a lot of money on this possible investigation.  As has been stated here by several posters, collusion is not a crime.  No need investigating anything there.  And, as Rudy explains, taking information from Russians is no problem either. 

 

So, summarizing, nothing to see here.  We shouldn't have investigated the last Russian collusion issue, we certainly shouldn't undertake another identical investigation.  Move along, right?

 

No, Bob.

 

The problem isn’t with investigating Logan Act violations, or conspiracy crimes.  We should, in fact, must do those things.

 

The problem is when a person, or group of persons, fraudulently and criminally concocts an investigation into conspiracy crimes they themselves know don’t exist because they made them up from whole cloth in order to frame a political opponent as part of a soft coup attempt.

 

These things are very different.

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JOHN KASS: Why have Democrats lost their curiosity over the Trump-Russia story?

Sunshine is conspiracy? Transparency in federal investigations is “un-American?” Ridiculous. An idiotic parrot chewing on its own toes and demanding crackers has more sense. And just who weaponized law enforcement Mr. Schiff?

 

I am not saying any crime occurred, nor that any conspiracy was hatched and then flown like a raptor to take Trump down. It smells, yes, but we don’t know. Let’s allow sunshine and find out. Isn’t anyone curious?

 

Barr has assigned John. H. Durham, a respected career prosecutor and U.S. attorney in Connecticut, to find out. Also investigating is Michael Horowitz, inspector general of the Department of Justice. They’re pulling the threads of how all this started, with the FISA warrant application and who knew what about the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele. He was the author of the Steele dossier, was on the Clinton political payroll and used Russian contacts to put a political case together against Trump, which was then leaked to the media.

 

Already there is indication that some players have begun pointing fingers at each other in panic, just like a few sweaty Chicago aldermen I know.

 

In Washington, on Trump, did they do things by the book?

 

There was that weird Jan. 20, 2017, email that Susan Rice wrote to herself. It reportedly documented a Jan. 5 meeting between then President Barack Obama, Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, then FBI director James Comey and Vice President Joe Biden in which the Steele dossier was discussed.

 

In her strange email to herself, Rice noted that Obama said everything should be done “by the book.”

 

By the book, really? Who talks like that? Someone covering their behinds?

 

Yes.

 
 
 
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11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

I'd love @oldmanfan or any of the ones who were down here for two years screaming "there's fire under the smoke!" re collusion to respond to this. Why does this no longer matter? Aren't you all pissed that you were (clearly) lied to by whatever information sources you relied on to form your opinion in 2017-2018? Or do they all get a pass because Orange Man Bad and IMPEACH! 

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10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'd love @oldmanfan or any of the ones who were down here for two years screaming "there's fire under the smoke!" re collusion to respond to this. Why does this no longer matter? Aren't you all pissed that you were (clearly) lied to by whatever information sources you relied on to form your opinion in 2017-2018? Or do they all get a pass because Orange Man Bad and IMPEACH! 

Trump was trying to build a hotel in Moscow and working with the Russians while the Russians were hacking our election system, right? 

 

That is a true statement. 

 

 

Conspiracy ?

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26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Trump was trying to build a hotel in Moscow and working with the Russians while the Russians were hacking our election system, right? 

 

That is a true statement. 

 

 

Conspiracy ?

 

Yeah you got something there.  He starting working with the Italians but they weren't much help. 

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Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Yeah you got something there.  He starting working with the Italians but they weren't much help. 

Oh, figured you were going to blame Hillary for it, or that, or for everything. 

 

 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

Oh, figured you were going to blame Hillary for it, or that, or for everything. 

 

 

 

No I blame one thing on her and that is that we now have a President Trump. For some reason you don't want to answer my question as to why YOU think she lost. 

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5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

No I blame one thing on her and that is that we now have a President Trump. For some reason you don't want to answer my question as to why YOU think she lost. 

 

Clearly it was Comey Russians misogyany scared women voting how their husbands told them to vote Comey Russia Comey.

 

Certainly not that she was an unrelatable entitled corrupt swamp B word who insulted half the country, then ran a victory lap instead of a campaign, ignoring mass swathes of her voters in Pennsyltucky and the midwest because 'it was her turn'.

 

Actually, as I think about it, her 2016 stupidity in ignoring the Electoral College because 'it was her turn' was pretty reminiscent of how she dropped the ball in 2008 by not understanding how the DNC delegate system worked. Obama's team exploited every DNC rule and loophole to take as many delegates as he could in each state, while she campaigned under the assumption that she would win them all on primary day.

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11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Jared Kushner says that if the Russians contact him again about the election he doesn't know if he will contact the FBI? Seriously? How does he have a security clearance? This is outrageous

 

 
 

From your link:

 

Asked if he'd call the FBI if it happened again, Kushner said: "I don't know. It's hard to do hypotheticals, but the reality is is that we were not given anything that was salacious."

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11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

From your link:

 

Asked if he'd call the FBI if it happened again, Kushner said: "I don't know. It's hard to do hypotheticals, but the reality is is that we were not given anything that was salacious."

Ya, who knows? ?

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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Jared Kushner says that if the Russians contact him again about the election he doesn't know if he will contact the FBI? Seriously? How does he have a security clearance? This is outrageous

 

 
 

Did Adam Shiff call the FBI when he was called by the Russians?

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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Why did Russia want Trump as President? 

You are harder to get through to than a rock. How many times do you have to be told that the Russians goal was to disrupt the election and throw whatever result in doubt? Their goal was discord.

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Just now, 3rdnlng said:

You are harder to get through to than a rock. How many times do you have to be told that the Russians goal was to disrupt the election and throw whatever result in doubt? Their goal was discord.

No, they wanted Trump as President. They helped him win. 

 

 

So why? 

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1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are harder to get through to than a rock. How many times do you have to be told that the Russians goal was to disrupt the election and throw whatever result in doubt? Their goal was discord.

 

“Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit form a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” Mueller wrote in his report released Thursday.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/439544-mueller-russia-sought-to-help-trump-win-2016-election-but-did-not

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6 hours ago, Tiberius said:

No, they wanted Trump as President. They helped him win. 

 

 

So why? 

Hey Tibs...maybe the Russians wanted an adult they could actually deal to solve the world's challenges rather than a do-nothing huckster who they knew would be trying to shake them down to pay her husband for speeches they didn't want to listen to.

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7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hey Tibs...maybe the Russians wanted an adult they could actually deal to solve the world's challenges rather than a do-nothing huckster who they knew would be trying to shake them down to pay her husband for speeches they didn't want to listen to.

So Russian interference by the murderous anti-free society Putin did us a favor?!? 

 

You are basically saying you approve. Do you want Russia involved again in 2020? <--- come on now, answer. 

 

And Trump is an adult??!?! Huh?!? 

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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

You are basically saying you approve. Do you want Russia involved again in 2020? <--- come on now, answer. 

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

You are harder to get through to than a rock. How many times do you have to be told that the Russians goal was to disrupt the election and throw whatever result in doubt?

 

Their goal was discord.

 

 

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No, Russia wanted Trump as our President. Putin wanted Trump as president and put his little scum bag KGB operatives to work on doing that. 

 

Listen, if you stand for freedom you stand against monsters like Putin. You guys are literally turning to murderous dictators who are no better than Saddam Hussein for help. 

 

You are against our sacred republican experiment in government. Shame on you 

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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

So Russian interference by the murderous anti-free society Putin did us a favor?!? 

 

You are basically saying you approve. Do you want Russia involved again in 2020? <--- come on now, answer. 

 

And Trump is an adult??!?! Huh?!? 

Once again, have you really bought into the lie that Russia won the election for Donald Trump? Really? Just because Russia may have wanted him elected (and I'm not saying that they did) doesn't mean they had any impact on the election at all. Since this is part of football chat room maybe you'll understand it put this way: Just because as a Bills fan you may want the Patriots to lose doesn't mean you have any impact at all on the games when they do.  And yes, Donald Trump is a more accomplished adult than I'm guessing you'll ever be. You may not like his style, or his candor, but he's accomplished more in his 70+ years on this earth than I'm guessing you have while sitting in your parent's basement.

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

No, Russia wanted Trump as our President. Putin wanted Trump as president and put his little scum bag KGB operatives to work on doing that. 

 

Listen, if you stand for freedom you stand against monsters like Putin. You guys are literally turning to murderous dictators who are no better than Saddam Hussein for help. 

 

You are against our sacred republican experiment in government. Shame on you 

Or...maybe Hillary should've gotten her lazy butt to Wisconsin! Don't blame Russia because you're candidate lost. I never blamed Russia when Romney didn't fight hard enough...or McCain either.

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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Once again, have you really bought into the lie that Russia won the election for Donald Trump? Really? Just because Russia may have wanted him elected (and I'm not saying that they did) doesn't mean they had any impact on the election at all. Since this is part of football chat room maybe you'll understand it put this way: Just because as a Bills fan you may want the Patriots to lose doesn't mean you have any impact at all on the games when they do.  And yes, Donald Trump is a more accomplished adult than I'm guessing you'll ever be. You may not like his style, or his candor, but he's accomplished more in his 70+ years on this earth than I'm guessing you have while sitting in your parent's basement.

Or...maybe Hillary should've gotten her lazy butt to Wisconsin! Don't blame Russia because you're candidate lost. I never blamed Russia when Romney didn't fight hard enough...or McCain either.

What if, Deek (if that's your real name), what if the Russians hacked her iCalendar and changed all the "Wisconsins" to "New York Citys"?  And what if all her cough drops were replaced with drops that actually made her cough?  You want discord?  A presidential candidate in a pale blue pants suit constantly visiting the same location and hacking up a lung is some *****ing discord. 

 

Somewhere in America tonight, a guy maybe named Mitch, or Geoff, or Crayden or Mickey is out there, standing alone in the dark, staring north toward the horizon in defiance and protest of Vladimir Putin.  While his neighbors know him only as the odd guy that hangs around the dumpster of the apartment complex, you know him as Tiberius. Will you not stand with him for America? 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

What if, Deek (if that's your real name), what if the Russians hacked her iCalendar and changed all the "Wisconsins" to "New York Citys"?  And what if all her cough drops were replaced with drops that actually made her cough?  You want discord?  A presidential candidate in a pale blue pants suit constantly visiting the same location and hacking up a lung is some *****ing discord. 

 

Somewhere in America tonight, a guy maybe named Mitch, or Geoff, or Crayden or Mickey is out there, standing alone in the dark, staring north toward the horizon in defiance and protest of Vladimir Putin.  While his neighbors know him only as the odd guy that hangs around the dumpster of the apartment complex, you know him as Tiberius. Will you not stand with him for America? 

 

 

  Right now he is probably foraging for whatever got tossed tonight from the take out restaurants.  He's gonna gnaw those chicken wing bones CLEAN!

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10 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Or...maybe Hillary should've gotten her lazy butt to Wisconsin! Don't blame Russia because you're candidate lost.

 

well she was planning on going to Wisconsin but the Russians hacked the planes GPS and forced her to land at a high dollar fundraiser in Los Angeles

 

then there was that time the Russians hacked her teleprompter and slipped in that line about deplorables

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