The only Mahomes thread you need

[YoloinOhio]

 

Shanahan created the board for the Browns who ignored it and drafted Johhny Drunkball because a homeless guy told the owner to take him.

where did you see that? The Browns paid a lot of money to a consulting firm to determine which QB to take in 2014, and the result was Bridgewater at the #1 spot. Clearly they didn't follow the advice of the consultants and took Manzeil.

[jeffismagic]

HOUSTON -- Kyle Shanahan admitted at the Super Bowl Thursday that he really liked Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo coming out in 2014 when he was offensive coordinator of the Browns, and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/02/kyle_shanahan_liked_derek_carr.html

 

You can say he is making it up but if the Browns scouts know he is lying he will get called out for it and he has not.

where did you see that? The Browns paid a lot of money to a consulting firm to determine which QB to take in 2014, and the result was Bridgewater at the #1 spot. Clearly they didn't follow the advice of the consultants and took Manzeil.

 

Yes, they also paid for an analytics study that said Bridgewater. They should have listened to Shanahan.

[thebandit27]

HOUSTON -- Kyle Shanahan admitted at the Super Bowl Thursday that he really liked Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo coming out in 2014 when he was offensive coordinator of the Browns, and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/02/kyle_shanahan_liked_derek_carr.html

 

You can say he is making it up but if the Browns scouts know he is lying he will get called out for it and he has not.

 

 

Yes, they also paid for an analytics study that said Bridgewater. They should have listened to Shanahan.

there's always the "we liked that guy" stories after the draft.

 

You literally never hear the story teller get called out.

[Rob's House]

I'm a little iffy on Cahomes. I realize he has a lot of potential but I can't think of too many guys who have successfully reworked their mechanics. He seems much more likely to be the guy who teases you with flashes of greatness but never quite puts it all together.

[jeffismagic]

there's always the "we liked that guy" stories after the draft.

 

You literally never hear the story teller get called out.

 

Cabot called the Browns to fact check, "and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list."

I'm a little iffy on Cahomes. I realize he has a lot of potential but I can't think of too many guys who have successfully reworked their mechanics. He seems much more likely to be the guy who teases you with flashes of greatness but never quite puts it all together.

 

He doesn't need to rework mechanics. He does need to be more consistent with his footwork because he does do the baseball shortstop thing when he is scrambling. If he does that he becomes even more accurate.

[BuffaloHokie13]

 

Cabot called the Browns to fact check, "and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list."

 

He doesn't need to rework mechanics. He does need to be more consistent with his footwork because he does do the baseball shortstop thing when he is scrambling. If he does that he becomes even more accurate.

So because Jimmy G was supposedly 1 spot behind Carr that means they were 1 & 2? Funny, in the actual draft Jimmy G was the next QB to go after Carr, but 3 others went before them.

[jeffismagic]

So because Jimmy G was supposedly 1 spot behind Carr that means they were 1 & 2? Funny, in the actual draft Jimmy G was the next QB to go after Carr, but 3 others went before them.

 

Thursday, Shanahan spoke to Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com where he confirmed that he advised the Cleveland Browns to draft Raiders quarterback Derek Carr or Patriots QB Jimmy Garoppolo over Johnny Manziel to no avail.

 

http://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/04/kyle-shanahan-advised-browns-to-take-raiders-qb-derek-carr-over-johnny-manziel/

[thebandit27]

 

Cabot called the Browns to fact check, "and a source said he had him ranked right behind Derek Carr on his QB list."

 

 

He doesn't need to rework mechanics. He does need to be more consistent with his footwork because he does do the baseball shortstop thing when he is scrambling. If he does that he becomes even more accurate.

I don't see any mention of MKC fact-checking that with the organization, nor does it say that he had Carr as his #1.

 

Doesn't mean it's not true, but the organization also has no reason to confirm or deny it.

 

All I'm saying is that we have no evidence that Shanahan or Cooter would be able to identify and draft a franchise QB.

[Rob's House]

 

He doesn't need to rework mechanics. He does need to be more consistent with his footwork because he does do the baseball shortstop thing when he is scrambling. If he does that he becomes even more accurate.

I can't think off too many who have made drastic improvements with footwork and pocket presence either.

[jeffismagic]

I don't see any mention of MKC fact-checking that with the organization, nor does it say that he had Carr as his #1.

 

Doesn't mean it's not true, but the organization also has no reason to confirm or deny it.

 

All I'm saying is that we have no evidence that Shanahan or Cooter would be able to identify and draft a franchise QB.

 

Mary Kay Cabot is a Browns reporter with tons of sources in Cleveland. She mentioned right there in the story that she confirmed the story with one of those sources.

 

Look, I know many Bills fans assume drafting a QB is completely random. But there are top end QB people who know more than a Doug Whaley or McDermott about QB play. Cooter and Shanahan are two of the elite of the elite with understanding QB play.

I can't think off too many who have made drastic improvements with footwork and pocket presence either.

 

He has great pocket presence. Footwork can be improved. That is true. Rather have that than a guy that can't throw a spiral or someone with bad pocket presence.

[thebandit27]

 

Mary Kay Cabot is a Browns reporter with tons of sources in Cleveland. She mentioned right there in the story that she confirmed the story with one of those sources.

 

Look, I know many Bills fans assume drafting a QB is completely random. But there are top end QB people who know more than a Doug Whaley or McDermott about QB play. Cooter and Shanahan are two of the elite of the elite with understanding QB play.

I know Mary Kay a bit back from my AP days

 

And no, it doesn't say that she confirmed his draft board. The story says that a source said that Shanahan said he had Jimmy G behind Carr.

 

Regardless, the semantics don't matter. Nothing can be proven at this point so there's zero repercussion for anyone trumping up their draft evaluation.

 

And please don't generalize or talk down to other fans about what we may think regarding drafting QBs (or any other players for that matter).

 

If you believe that Shanahan or Cooter has an eye for QBs, that's fine. Time may prove that to be true, and it may not. I don't have enough information to make a call on that. To say that either guy has a proven track record for identifying and drafting QBs is simply false at this point.

[Roundybout]

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/848922101226536960

 

Looks like we are having him in later. Might have to compete with the Jets.

[jeffismagic]

I know Mary Kay a bit back from my AP days

 

And no, it doesn't say that she confirmed his draft board. The story says that a source said that Shanahan said he had Jimmy G behind Carr.

 

Regardless, the semantics don't matter. Nothing can be proven at this point so there's zero repercussion for anyone trumping up their draft evaluation.

 

And please don't generalize or talk down to other fans about what we may think regarding drafting QBs (or any other players for that matter).

 

If you believe that Shanahan or Cooter has an eye for QBs, that's fine. Time may prove that to be true, and it may not. I don't have enough information to make a call on that. To say that either guy has a proven track record for identifying and drafting QBs is simply false at this point.

 

It's right there in black and white. Shanahan talked up his board at the Superbowl and Cabot's source confirmed it.

[PIZ]

Did we know this?:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000797024/article/report-patrick-mahomes-works-out-for-new-york-jets

[Maury Ballstein]

It's obvious, man. The media is trying to force-feed us Trubisky and Kizer as first-rounders. That's a bad sign.

Teams are going to overdraft these guys, as usual. I just hope the Bills don't panick and make that mistake again. They need good starters in the 1st and 2nd.

Trubisky doesn't need hype. He ran as fast as Watson and is insanely accurate.

 

He will be a monster at the end of the day.

[jeffismagic]

Trubisky doesn't need hype. He ran as fast as Watson and is insanely accurate.

 

He will be a monster at the end of the day.

 

If the Bills pass on Trubisky and the Browns take him at 12 then everyone's seat at One Bills Drive will get red hot if the Browns win similar games with a rookie while we win 5-6 games with Tyrod a veteran who will cost 18 million next year and who is what he is.

Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffismagic

[LeGOATski]

TTrubisky... is insanely accurate.

So accurate, that it's insane?

 

Awesome! But, is it epic?

[KOKBILLS]

He has great pocket presence. Footwork can be improved. That is true. Rather have that than a guy that can't throw a spiral or someone with bad pocket presence.

 

Exactly...

 

IMHO what is going on with Mahomes by some folks is not all that different (in a general way) than what happened with A Rodgers, Carr, and Russell Wilson...Over-analysis promoting paralysis...

 

I just don't believe in micro-scouting QB's...When you have the God given talent Mahomes has it's the intangibles that are going to matter a hell of a lot more than the footwork...And his footwork will improve once he gets about 100 million reps as a Pro anyway...

 

What I see when I watch Mahomes is a guy with tremendous confidence and swagger who can sling it...He has elite arm talent and he's not a dummy...Is he perfect? Hell no...Who is? But the comparisons to Cutler make me laugh a bit...Mahomes is more cerebral...I'll just leave it at that...He's football smart and he's confident...But I don't see him as an overly cocky or disrespectful kid...He just knows he's real good and he works hard at it...

 

What I really, really, love when I watch Mahomes is that his head is constantly up and his disregard for, along with his ability to avoid, the pass rush and pressure is...IMHO...incredible...It's elite...It's better than most NFL QB's already...And when I'm studying QB prospects that is the #1 thing I look at assuming the kid already has the necessary boxes checked (arm strength, accuracy, ability to read Defenses and work through progressions, field leadership, etc)...Can the QB keep his eyes down field while moving to create more time?...Or...Do they see the rush and just pull it down to run?...Or worse yet do they flat out panic?...I've seen fear of pass rush and eyes dropping kill plenty of good QB prospects over the years...Including a few right here in Buffalo...I think it's a HUGE factor, and Mahomes is SO good in this area...He was only sacked on 4.6% of his passing attempts (that same % would put him at #11 overall in NFL history) over the past two years at Tech...And that's while facing Defenses that were pretty much assuming Pass on most downs...

 

So...considering there is absolutely no such thing as a 100% sure fire QB prospect anyway, I think taking a chance on a QB with the total package Mahomes brings to the table is literally a no-brainer...It's ALWAYS a risk to take a QB...Always...But with Mahomes the reward could be outstanding...

Edited April 3, 2017 by KOKBILLS

[Chuck Wagon]

The last couple of weeks it seems Mahomes has really turned into the hot guy. It's starting to feel like we might not even get a shot at him with pick #10.

[jeffismagic]

 

Exactly...

 

IMHO what is going on with Mahomes by some folks is not all that different (in a general way) than what happened with A Rodgers, Carr, and Russell Wilson...Over-analysis promoting paralysis...

 

I just don't believe in micro-scouting QB's...When you have the God given talent Mahomes has it's the intangibles that are going to matter a hell of a lot more than the footwork...And his footwork will improve once he gets about 100 million reps as a Pro anyway...

 

What I see when I watch Mahomes is a guy with tremendous confidence and swagger who can sling it...He has elite arm talent and he's not a dummy...Is he perfect? Hell no...Who is? But the comparisons to Cutler make me laugh a bit...Mahomes is more cerebral...I'll just leave it at that...He's football smart and he's confident...But I don't see him as an overly cocky or disrespectful kid...He just knows he's real good and he works hard at it...

 

What I really, really, love when I watch Mahomes is that his head is constantly up and his disregard for, along with his ability to avoid, the pass rush and pressure is...IMHO...incredible...It's elite...It's better than most NFL QB's already...And when I'm studying QB prospects that is the #1 thing I look at assuming the kid already has the necessary boxes checked (arm strength, accuracy, ability to read Defenses and work through progressions, field leadership, etc)...Can the QB keep his eyes down field while moving to create more time?...Or...Do they see the rush and just pull it down to run?...Or worse yet do they flat out panic?...I've seen fear of pass rush and eyes dropping kill plenty of good QB prospects over the years...Including a few right here in Buffalo...I think it's a HUGE factor, and Mahomes is SO good in this area...He was only sacked on 4.6% of his passing attempts (that same % would put him at #11 overall in NFL history) over the past two year at Tech...And that's while facing Defenses that were pretty much assuming Pass on most downs...

 

So...considering there is absolutely no such thing as a 100% sure fire QB prospect anyway, I think taking a chance on a QB with the total package Mahomes brings to the table is literally a no-brainer...It's ALWAYS a risk to take a QB...Always...But with Mahomes the reward could be outstanding...

 

Great stuff. I do understand the Cosell point of view where mechanics and process can scare people. But Mahomes has imperfect mechanics for a couple of reasons. The baseball background and the insane arm that allows him to not have to step into throws.

 

I am a gambler so I go with Mahomes. Too many teams out there and if you hit a bullseye with him the franchise is changed. Corners, linebackers, and WR's can't do that like a QB can.

[Chuck Wagon]

 

Great stuff. I do understand the Cosell point of view where mechanics and process can scare people. But Mahomes has imperfect mechanics for a couple of reasons. The baseball background and the insane arm that allows him to not have to step into throws.

 

I am a gambler so I go with Mahomes. Too many teams out there and if you hit a bullseye with him the franchise is changed. Corners, linebackers, and WR's can't do that like a QB can.

 

 

People were also concerned with Aaron Rodgers mechanics. The guy has been around pro athletes his entire life, there's a ton of natural talent with him to work with, but he knows the work he needs to put in at the NFL level to succeed. It seems when talented QBs bust its due to 1) improper coaching / not enough talent around them (Couch, David Carr) or 2) they simply don't get "it" (Jamarcus, Leaf). Honestly with our team I'd be more concerned with the former on Mahomes than the later.

[jeffismagic]

 

 

People were also concerned with Aaron Rodgers mechanics. The guy has been around pro athletes his entire life, there's a ton of natural talent with him to work with, but he knows the work he needs to put in at the NFL level to succeed. It seems when talented QBs bust its due to 1) improper coaching / not enough talent around them (Couch, David Carr) or 2) they simply don't get "it" (Jamarcus, Leaf). Honestly with our team I'd be more concerned with the former on Mahomes than the later.

 

I was talking to my friend who is a scout about Cossell. He told me that Cossell's methods are good if you are looking for a QB sleeper later in the draft who can be a marginal starter.

 

I also asked the scout who sold me on Mahomes what his low end was. He said early Jay Cutler with a better attitude. His high end comparable was Drew Brees. I'm in on that.

[JohnC]

 

I was talking to my friend who is a scout about Cossell. He told me that Cossell's methods are good if you are looking for a QB sleeper later in the draft who can be a marginal starter.

 

I also asked the scout who sold me on Mahomes what his low end was. He said early Jay Cutler with a better attitude. His high end comparable was Drew Brees. I'm in on that.

You don't have to be attached to any one of the top qb prospects in this draft. There are a few very good prospects with different traits but all very good prospects. Trubinsky, Watson, Kizer and Webb and maybe a few more prospects. Probably none of the qbs in this draft will be ready to play right away. That's okay; that's the norm.

 

The problem with the Bills is that they have a patchwork approach to building a roster. Whaley is a failed GM and this franchise is a failed franchise mostly because it has failed to secure the qb position. Whaley has demonstrated that he is willing to be bold as exemplified for his trade up deal for Watkins but he has not shown the same initiative with the qb position. That's why he is in jeopardy and lost some authority to the new HC.

 

Contrary to what many people think here this is a year where the circumstances favor the Bills to resolve the generational qb void. This team can trade down, add some picks, and come away with a credible prospect. It won't. That's why the Bills will again continue their ignominious streak of not making the playoffs not only this year but also in the following years.

[Bangarang]

This thread has been something else. Reading some of the posts you'd assume Mahomes is a generational talent and is a lock to go #1.

 

I see a huge project with upside but I haven't seen as many of his games as some here.

[billspro]

Somehow I missed this post--sorry about that

 

I really don't have an issue with any of what you said. It's merely a case where I like the upside of his skill set enough to gamble on him.

 

Let's face it--each of the top QBs in this class is a gamble, so if I miss, I want it to be on the guy with the greatest upside.

 

I agree, it is always a gamble to take a QB in the first couple rounds. It is very rare to find a complete prospect. Qb is the toughest position to play and odds are most guys will bust. I am a believer in continuing to take chances on QBs though. Mahommes does show things on tape that indicate he could be a great player. He has a lot of wow throws and is a gamer. I usually focus on the negatives of a prospect before the draft and Mahommes obviously has some risks. If we drafted him I would still be excited because he could become great. I would feeler a lot better about him in the second round though, I just think he is too risky to take in round 1.

 

Saying that I feel the Bills need to get one of the top 4 Qbs in this class. I personally hope it is Watson, I just think he has the it factor. Watson has negatives as well. Very average arm strength, deep ball accuracy is inconsistent, often runs before getting to second and third read, and turns the ball over to often. His positives are what I look for in a Qb though. He is clutch, has a quick release, good ball placement on short and intermediate throws, throws with anticipation, has the "it" factor, and is very athletic.

[LeGOATski]

This thread has been something else. Reading some of the posts you'd assume Mahomes is a generational talent and is a lock to go #1.

 

I see a huge project with upside but I haven't seen as many of his games as some here.

Gotta expect this type of thing every year when the team is desperate for a franchise guy.

[Chuck Wagon]

This thread has been something else. Reading some of the posts you'd assume Mahomes is a generational talent and is a lock to go #1.

 

I see a huge project with upside but I haven't seen as many of his games as some here.

 

 

Not nearly as ridiculous as the amount of people here who feel the same way about a less talented prospect just because his last name is Kelly.

[jeffismagic]

 

I agree, it is always a gamble to take a QB in the first couple rounds. It is very rare to find a complete prospect. Qb is the toughest position to play and odds are most guys will bust. I am a believer in continuing to take chances on QBs though. Mahommes does show things on tape that indicate he could be a great player. He has a lot of wow throws and is a gamer. I usually focus on the negatives of a prospect before the draft and Mahommes obviously has some risks. If we drafted him I would still be excited because he could become great. I would feeler a lot better about him in the second round though, I just think he is too risky to take in round 1.

 

Saying that I feel the Bills need to get one of the top 4 Qbs in this class. I personally hope it is Watson, I just think he has the it factor. Watson has negatives as well. Very average arm strength, deep ball accuracy is inconsistent, often runs before getting to second and third read, and turns the ball over to often. His positives are what I look for in a Qb though. He is clutch, has a quick release, good ball placement on short and intermediate throws, throws with anticipation, has the "it" factor, and is very athletic.

 

 

Watson has great intangibles. When NFL teams meet him they will feel like they are talking to Dak from last year. I just don't see the upside with him. His arm talent is comparable to people that are #2 QB's. Saying you can make every throw is fine but if it floats in the air corners will break on it. In Buffalo that would be further magnified. He had a ridiculous supporting cast. Mike Williams, Renfrow, Leggett, and Artavis Scott will all be NFL players. I would take Artavis Scott in the 5th and be fine with that. Clemson coaches did a great job and he was the top QB in college but I don't take him in the first.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I can safely say i am so sick of hearing about this guy. I hope we don't draft him, and i hope he sucks. 60 page thread about a rookie we didn't even draft?! SMH

[BillsFan4]

If the Bills pass on Trubisky and the Browns take him at 12 then everyone's seat at One Bills Drive will get red hot if the Browns win similar games with a rookie while we win 5-6 games with Tyrod a veteran who will cost 18 million next year and who is what he is.

I've seen this argument a number of times here. But how true is it? How often do NFL execs actually get fired for passing on a QB who seems to be almost universally viewed as more of a long term project type?

 

If Trubisky turns out to be a true franchise changing type QB, then yeah I could see it being one factor in some people's long term job security. But it will be years before we know what Trubisky is for sure, and Whaley and others could be gone by then anyway. Who knows.

 

 

But the argument could also be made form the other side - if they drafts Trubisky at #10 (who is a huge risk with only 13 games started) and he doesn't turn out to be a true franchise QB, then that almost definitely costs Whaley his job IMO. You can't swing and miss on two 1st round QBs and keep your job IMO. Especially if you blow a top 10 pick on a QB.

 

 

I don't know, IMO it seems like a much bigger risk to job security to take a project QB at #10 then it does to pass on a project QB at #10. How many GMs have been fired for missing on a top 10 pick as opposed to passing on a project QB who turns out to be good? GMs pass on project QBs every draft and I can't remember any losing their jobs because of it.

 

I'm not saying that they shouldn't draft Trubisky or anything like that. Just looking at the premise of the argument...

[jeffismagic]

I've seen this argument a number of times here. But how true is it? How often do NFL execs actually get fired for passing on a QB who seems to be almost universally viewed as more of a long term project type?

 

If Trubisky turns out to be a true franchise changing type QB, then yeah I could see it being one factor in some people's long term job security. But it will be years before we know what Trubisky is for sure, and Whaley and others could be gone by then anyway. Who knows.

 

 

But the argument could also be made form the other side - if they drafts Trubisky at #10 (who is a huge risk with only 13 games started) and he doesn't turn out to be a true franchise QB, then that almost definitely costs Whaley his job IMO. You can't swing and miss on two 1st round QBs and keep your job IMO. Especially if you blow a top 10 pick on a QB.

 

 

I don't know, IMO it seems like a much bigger risk to job security to take a project QB at #10 then it does to pass on a project QB at #10. How many GMs have been fired for missing on a top 10 pick as opposed to passing on a project QB who turns out to be good? GMs pass on project QBs every draft and I can't remember any losing their jobs because of it.

 

I'm not saying that they shouldn't draft Trubisky or anything like that. Just looking at the premise of the argument...

 

Trubisky and Mahomes are not long term projects. Bruce Arians said he likes the talent in this class and that some of these guys need to sit for one year. One year is not a long term project.

[BillsFan4]

Trubisky and Mahomes are not long term projects. Bruce Arians said he likes the talent in this class and that some of these guys need to sit for one year. One year is not a long term project.

I ought most were saying Trubisky would need to sit for a couple years, no? Either way, none of these QBs are viewed as day 1 starters and all are being called projects. Maybe long term wasn't the right word. But I still think my argument holds up.

[jeffismagic]

I ought most were saying Trubisky would need to sit for a couple years, no? Either way, none of these QBs are viewed as day 1 starters and all are being called projects. Maybe long term wasn't the right word. But I still think my argument holds up.

 

No, that is not the consensus. Project in football implies massive uncertainty and time. Who cares whether they start right away or sit for 8 games to a year? You draft a QB to change the fate of your franchise, not to fill in holes on your depth chart. That is if you have a real GM running your team.

Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffismagic

[Dr. Who]

I can safely say i am so sick of hearing about this guy. I hope we don't draft him, and i hope he sucks. 60 page thread about a rookie we didn't even draft?! SMH

No one is forcing you to read the thread. Strange reaction to wish ill on a fella that way.

 

No, that is not the consensus. Project in football implies massive uncertainty and time. Who cares whether they start right away or sit for 8 games to a year? You draft a QB to change the fate of your franchise, not to fill in holes on your depth chart. That is if you have a real GM running your team.

If DW passes on a franchise qb, all the fans who want to fill positional holes on D or WR now instead will be calling for his head later.

Half of them will be telling you how they wanted Mahomes or Trubisky, etc.

[BuffaloFan68]

I want us to draft Mahomes but I expect us to draft Williams. If we could figure out how to get both of them, we would be all set to kick some serious butt.

Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!

[Bangarang]

 

Trubisky and Mahomes are not long term projects.

Of course they are.

[jeffismagic]

Of course they are.

I remember when NFL talking heads were saying that about Big Ben. The truth is these guys don't even know who can play, let alone how long it will take.

 

That's a function of work ethic and flexibility from the offensive coordinator. The Bills currently run an offense where the QB is protected more than any team. Mahomes would be ready far earlier than people realize.

 

His coach was installing plays from New England and Green Bay for him to run in college. Unless Dennison is idiot then I won't worry.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

No one is forcing you to read the thread. Strange reaction to wish ill on a fella that way.

If DW passes on a franchise qb, all the fans who want to fill positional holes on D or WR now instead will be calling for his head later.

Half of them will be telling you how they wanted Mahomes or Trubisky, etc.

 

I like Mahomes... I'd even say go ahead and take him at 10 if you like him. But don't give the kid a hall of fame bust and act like there aren't reasons he's not the #1 overall pick. Cuz there are.

 

Everyone says his arms so hot his footwork doesn't matter... and he'll learn to take snaps under center... and learn to call plays in the huddle....

 

All of these things matter, and thats why he's not going #1 overall.

[Best Player Available]

Mahomes in steeler town.

[GunnerBill]

 

I like Mahomes... I'd even say go ahead and take him at 10 if you like him. But don't give the kid a hall of fame bust and act like there aren't reasons he's not the #1 overall pick. Cuz there are.

 

Everyone says his arms so hot his footwork doesn't matter... and he'll learn to take snaps under center... and learn to call plays in the huddle....

 

All of these things matter, and thats why he's not going #1 overall.

I absolutely agree with this. I like Mahomes upside too but there are people here wanting to crown a kid who is by no means ready as a franchise saviour. He might be, but that is a big guess at this stage.

 

EDIT: and I have been clear throughout that while he wouldn't be my choice of Quarterback at #10 I would not hang the Bills FO for taking him there.

Edited April 3, 2017 by GunnerBill