mannc Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) I think its sad that a project QB who will never amount to anything gets all this hypeWhat hype are talking about? And he did actually win a few games in college, as you may recall... Please tell us how you already know he "won't amount to anything." Was it the 4 quarters of preseason football, playing with the Bills' third stringers, or was it the one quarter of mop up duty in a game that the Bills had all but announced to the world they were trying to lose? Edited February 5, 2017 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 What hype are talking about? And he did actually win a few games in college, as you may recall... Please tell us how you already know he "won't amount to anything." Was it the 4 quarters of preseason football, playing with the Bills' third stringers, or was it the one quarter of mop up duty in a game that the Bills had all but announced to the world they were trying to lose? Every other day this guy has a post somewhere and for some reason a bigger fan base than Da'Rick Rogers. He didnt do squat in college and he should have been a UDFA pick this past draft. He's a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Every other day this guy has a post somewhere and for some reason a bigger fan base than Da'Rick Rogers. He didnt do squat in college and he should have been a UDFA pick this past draft. He's a nobody. Yah, -Not like he beat the best team in the land, and won a National Championship or anything. Edited February 5, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Yah, -Not like he beat the best team in the land, and won a National Championship or anything. wow and Elliott had nothing to do with it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Your strategy has the words TANK written all over it in big freaking letters. And that doesn't sell tickets or merchandise or bring new fans to the team. How do you know this? The only person you could be speaking about is Whaley right? Because the other guys are gone. How do you know what this new coaching staff thinks about Cardale? Whats the difference between us tanking this year and us not making the playoffs since 1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice2145 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The odds of Jones becoming a franchise QB is slim to none. The desperation for us fans to land the elusive QB sometimes mucks our reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 The odds of Jones becoming a franchise QB is slim to none. The desperation for us fans to land the elusive QB sometimes mucks our reality.It's definitely slim. I would say under 10%. It was still a swing worth taking as opposed to a Kevin Hogan type whose odds are 0%. Maybe that's the point with these QBs. Once you get beyond the top 3 picks they are all longshots. Some guys have less holes, some guys have less upside. You need to identify what it is you are looking for in a QB and get that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice2145 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 It's definitely slim. I would say under 10%. It was still a swing worth taking as opposed to a Kevin Hogan type whose odds are 0%. Maybe that's the point with these QBs. Once you get beyond the top 3 picks they are all longshots. Some guys have less holes, some guys have less upside. You need to identify what it is you are looking for in a QB and get that guy. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 What I've heard. I don't think people realize how far from playing he was. I've seen every snap that he's taken since high school and knew exactly what we were getting. People that thought he was going to come in and compete early were just wrong. That was never the plan. That wasn't the guy that they drafted. He was a project. The Bills have been pleased with his progress to date. That doesn't mean that he is close but it means that he is closer. Year 3 will be the time to start passing judgements. Seems like an extremely low reward type situation. Sign a guy to a 4 year deal and hope you see something in year 3. Meanwhile you can't count on him so money must be spent on a #2. Then in year 3/4 you hope to get a glimpse of his abilities without really having seen him perform in anything other than preseason games. Based on that small sample size a team must decide whether to offer an extension after year 3 or roll the dice and let him enter the final year of his contract and FA. If your assertion is correct cut him now and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Brad Johnson would be a better example.....he was a backup at Florida State and won a SB in Tampa. It can happen but there is something a little off about Cardale and Meyer intimated to it.......it was a huge disappointment that he lost that QB job at Ohio State......JT Barrett is not very good......a guy with Cardale's talent should have been tearing it up with all that talent around him but he was basically just doing enough to win and Meyer wasn't having that. Playing down to the competition was a Rob Johnson trait........I hope that isn't the case with Cardale. I'm not taking urban Meyer's advice about an nfl qb unless I need an h-back or wr, thank you. He's proven that over the years. Edited February 5, 2017 by 4BillsintheBurgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 It's a shame we can't wait until after the draft to make a decision with Tyrod. I hope we draft Mahomes. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 If you ever thought he'd develop into anything other than a backup, I don't know what to tell you. He's expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I think its sad that a project QB who will never amount to anything gets all this hype So what project QB who will never amount to anything looks good to you in this draft? Whats the difference between us tanking this year and us not making the playoffs since 1999? From experience, the difference is enjoying a win every other week or so versus forgetting the tank was deliberate and losing our freaking minds going 4-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Seems like an extremely low reward type situation. Sign a guy to a 4 year deal and hope you see something in year 3. Meanwhile you can't count on him so money must be spent on a #2. Then in year 3/4 you hope to get a glimpse of his abilities without really having seen him perform in anything other than preseason games. Based on that small sample size a team must decide whether to offer an extension after year 3 or roll the dice and let him enter the final year of his contract and FA. If your assertion is correct cut him now and move on. as a project qb? He has all pro tools and isnt making anything. We do need a 1 anf a 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 This post shows why I don't believe anyone will be patient enough to develop a Bills QB. Cardale Jones is exactly the kind of flyer pick people say the Bills need to make. But a year later we want the next shiny object. He's a third string QB. No one is really developing those. This isn't 2001..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 If you ever thought he'd develop into anything other than a backup, I don't know what to tell you. He's expendable. I guess that this is where we disagree. He is either going to develop into a good QB or be out of the league. He has the tools of the best QBs but the consistency of the worst. Backup QBs have limited skills but usually are fairly safe. That's not Cardale. He's more of an all or nothing proposition. He's a lottery ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 If you ever thought he'd develop into anything other than a backup, I don't know what to tell you. He's expendable. If he turned into a backup qb then the return on investment would be tremendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Some clarity is in order. This years QB draft class looks like it's one of the worst, and next year's seems like it might be one of the best. So... 1. Move on from Taylor (he's the top end of the mediocre level we've come to expect at the position) 2. Sign a cheap veteran QB like Hoyer 3. Start Hoyer (or whoever) and when Jones gets even close to ready you play him till the end of the season. 4. If Jones doesn't cut it (looking at 4-12 record), you select your franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. Bills fans should be able to wait one more year. Watch Cardale Jones when he gets his chance and also watch college football for the future QB of the Bills that they'll be picking in the 2018 draft. Here is the issue...this roster is too talented to lose 12 games. I mean we had the awful Orton/EJ combo and still won nine games, so if you bring in Hoyer I don't think we would lose 12 games, in fact, I think we would remain competitive. Now, if Cardale was the starter and a disaster sure, then I think we could lose enough to be in the conversation for top pick...but this team would be too competitive still with Hoyer to compete for the top pick next year, or even a top 5 and probably not even get a top 10 pick. Your strategy has the words TANK written all over it in big freaking letters. And that doesn't sell tickets or merchandise or bring new fans to the team. The Bills fans are too venomous right now to accept tanking and the media will enjoy stirring the pot to make it worse, Bills fans will not wait 1 more year. You can talk about Bills fan support but in scenerio "1billsfan" is talking about there were will be fans who will not renewing tickets and season ticket sales will go down although some may be purchased by scalpers who will sell them to opposing fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The Bills fans are too venomous right now to accept tanking and the media will enjoy stirring the pot to make it worse, Bills fans will not wait 1 more year. You can talk about Bills fan support but in scenerio "1billsfan" is talking about there were will be fans who will not renewing tickets and season ticket sales will go down although some may be purchased by scalpers who will sell them to opposing fans. Bills fans always wait one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) It's definitely slim. I would say under 10%. It was still a swing worth taking as opposed to a Kevin Hogan type whose odds are 0%. Maybe that's the point with these QBs. Once you get beyond the top 3 picks they are all longshots. Some guys have less holes, some guys have less upside. You need to identify what it is you are looking for in a QB and get that guy. I think it's less than 5 percent. I'd say above 2 percent, however. He looks like a pretty poor player to me who is way behind the curve. He also has serious mechanics issues. Can he improve? I suppose, but he strikes me as a dolt. That's not a positive feature, obviously. Edited February 7, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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