Deranged Rhino Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Bolton out. All signs point to this: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Whoa. (this one doesn't make sense to me on the surface) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Whoa. (this one doesn't make sense to me on the surface) Look closer at that graph. It dropped about 2% from the day's high but not the day's start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Any of the econ experts want to chime in on the above? Why would Bolton's dismissal/resignation lead to a sudden drop in oil like that? Considering Bolton's penchant for war (especially in the ME) wouldn't oil stay stable (or go up) if he left as the odds of war/military action drops? Or is that not the wager they're making? Just now, 3rdnlng said: Look closer at that graph. It dropped about 2% from the day's high but not the day's start. 100% I was just surprised it went down at all rather than going the other way considering Bolton's news triggered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Any of the econ experts want to chime in on the above? Why would Bolton's dismissal/resignation lead to a sudden drop in oil like that? Considering Bolton's penchant for war (especially in the ME) wouldn't oil stay stable (or go up) if he left as the odds of war/military action drops? Or is that not the wager they're making? 100% I was just surprised it went down at all rather than going the other way considering Bolton's news triggered it. You've got it wrong. When tensions rise the price of oil will rise with the idea that tensions may cause interruptions to supply. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Any of the econ experts want to chime in on the above? Why would Bolton's dismissal/resignation lead to a sudden drop in oil like that? Considering Bolton's penchant for war (especially in the ME) wouldn't oil stay stable (or go up) if he left as the odds of war/military action drops? Or is that not the wager they're making? 100% I was just surprised it went down at all rather than going the other way considering Bolton's news triggered it. My take is that Bolton's departure is a possible signal of more stability to come in the region. It's the instability of the region that leads to oil price explosion fears. The more stable, the less variable the supply (not accounting for OPEC decisions). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Any of the econ experts want to chime in on the above? Why would Bolton's dismissal/resignation lead to a sudden drop in oil like that? Considering Bolton's penchant for war (especially in the ME) wouldn't oil stay stable (or go up) if he left as the odds of war/military action drops? Or is that not the wager they're making? 100% I was just surprised it went down at all rather than going the other way considering Bolton's news triggered it. War increases risk. Risk increases price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: War increases risk. Risk increases price. Plus, people might be assuming that it's more likely now that Iran will be able to sell oil on the open market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Well, that's one way to increase pressure on Abbas to come to the table and be reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (move the bases...) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Trump Flirts With $15 Billion Bailout for Iran, Sources Say Trump says he hates the Obama-era nuclear deal with Iran. But he’s toying with a French proposal to get the Iranians to comply with it: a $15 billion line of credit to Tehran. Published 09.11.19 ERIN BANCO, lol, pallets of money anyone? ? He might pay them to get back into the Obama deal, oh boy, that's rich! Please God make this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump Flirts With $15 Billion Bailout for Iran, Sources Say Trump says he hates the Obama-era nuclear deal with Iran. But he’s toying with a French proposal to get the Iranians to comply with it: a $15 billion line of credit to Tehran. Published 09.11.19 ERIN BANCO, lol, pallets of money anyone? ? He might pay them to get back into the Obama deal, oh boy, that's rich! Please God make this happen! I'd be shocked if Trump went for that without significant revisions to the agreement such as longer/lower enrichment levels and a variety of peace related commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: I'd be shocked if Trump went for that without significant revisions to the agreement such as longer/lower enrichment levels and a variety of peace related commitments. We know why Bolton resigned now. So this looks serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It's amazing what happens when you stop illegal gun running programs to AQ, ISIS, and fomenting violent revolutionaries (who kill Americans for sport): 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Lots of stuff in this article. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Hedge said: Lots of stuff in this article. Those don’t look like burning American flags. Looks like the focus may be changing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hedge Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1VZ0C9 “Reuters reported on July 31 that Hamza had been killed, citing a U.S. official with knowledge of the matter. But Saturday's statement represents the first time the U.S. government has confirmed the operation.” Trump Confirms Osama Bin Laden’s Son Is Dead “"Hamza bin Ladin, the high-ranking al-Qa'ida member and son of Usama bin Ladin, was killed in a United States counter-terrorism operation in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region,” Trump said in a statement” Edited September 14, 2019 by Hedge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 ...have been and probably will always be suspect of our Middle East foreign policy going back to Iraq in 2003........have GREAT disdain for Wolfowicz and Pearle leading the hawkish charge for 2003 invasion solely for the purpose of protecting THEIR mother land(OPINION here).....probably terribly wrong, but never saw their actions as "USA First".....Benji has been recycled more times than Cali's "Moonbeam Jerry" or the NBA's Larry Brown...how or why has this benefitted us?.....democracy is NOT for everyone and look at the gaping holes Trump has exposed in our perfect "worldwide model"...guess I'm in usual senior moment "missed the memo"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, Hedge said: Obviously, this is Iran's doing with the attempt to disrupt the oil market. It's getting closer and closer to the time when Iran has to pay a very deep price for their actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Obviously, this is Iran's doing with the attempt to disrupt the oil market. It's getting closer and closer to the time when Iran has to pay a very deep price for their actions. That's the trap the mullahs are trying to set. Get their proxies to force an attack on Iran, so that they can proclaim victim status and rally the protesters threatening the regime around the flag. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: That's the trap the mullahs are trying to set. Get their proxies to force an attack on Iran, so that they can proclaim victim status and rally the protesters threatening the regime around the flag. My first step would be to loudly warn Iran to stay away from our ships or pay the price of losing their gunboats. We can't go on cutting them slack just to prevent them from becoming a perceived victim. I would also tell them that any further disruption of the oil trade would cause permanent destruction of their oil facilities. Let them see that poking the bear isn't the right way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Hedge said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1VZ0C9 “Reuters reported on July 31 that Hamza had been killed, citing a U.S. official with knowledge of the matter. But Saturday's statement represents the first time the U.S. government has confirmed the operation.” Trump Confirms Osama Bin Laden’s Son Is Dead “"Hamza bin Ladin, the high-ranking al-Qa'ida member and son of Usama bin Ladin, was killed in a United States counter-terrorism operation in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region,” Trump said in a statement” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 For reports of drones to do such massive damage , now reports of cruise missiles , yikes . Iran crossed the line this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Nary a peep in the US media about this, outside of the Wall Street Journal. God forbid they allow anyone (including Iran itself) to challenge the narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 The Mullahs must have heard the Taliban got an invite to Camp David and got upset. Now the oil infrastructure is burning burning burning ? Will oil prices spike? This is is a great reason for a green new deal. Protecting oil profits isn’t worth it 13 hours ago, Koko78 said: Nary a peep in the US media about this, outside of the Wall Street Journal. God forbid they allow anyone (including Iran itself) to challenge the narrative. Actually is front page on the Washington Post, but blame the media all you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 The satellite photo in this story is impressive https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/14/yemen-drones-saudi-oil-1496173 You also have to wonder if Iran looked at Bolton’s firing as a signal Trump is weak. The hawk is gone and the escalation begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Yemen is so impoverished , a civil war , then Saudi and Iran make it a disaster area. So much for the UN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Mullahs must have heard the Taliban got an invite to Camp David and got upset. Now the oil infrastructure is burning burning burning ? Will oil prices spike? This is is a great reason for a green new deal. Protecting oil profits isn’t worth it Actually is front page on the Washington Post, but blame the media all you want What it actually is, is a great new reason to uncouple ourselves from middle eastern oil. The US needs to be energy independent by all means , sources and technology necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What it actually is, is a great new reason to uncouple ourselves from middle eastern oil. The US needs to be energy independent by all means , sources and technology necessary. Yes and the Green New Deal Will accomplish this. Some millennial who knows nothing of this stuff told me so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 MBS tells Trump Saudi 'willing and able' to respond to attacks US leader ready to work with kingdom on security as Pompeo accuses Iran of direct involvement in Houthi-claimed attacks. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/mbs-tells-trump-saudi-respond-attacks-190914192436368.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, ALF said: MBS tells Trump Saudi 'willing and able' to respond to attacks US leader ready to work with kingdom on security as Pompeo accuses Iran of direct involvement in Houthi-claimed attacks. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/mbs-tells-trump-saudi-respond-attacks-190914192436368.html No talk of retaliation? Interesting. You can’t secure anything without going on offense, so it sounds like they are dumbfounded by this development. Trump wanted to put the squeeze on Iran, and they have really struck back hard here. If the attack was carried out from Iraq, that would be an interesting development for that liberated nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: No talk of retaliation? Interesting. You can’t secure anything without going on offense, so it sounds like they are dumbfounded by this development. Trump wanted to put the squeeze on Iran, and they have really struck back hard here. If the attack was carried out from Iraq, that would be an interesting development for that liberated nation. For clarity, you WANT a war with Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What it actually is, is a great new reason to uncouple ourselves from middle eastern oil. The US needs to be energy independent by all means , sources and technology necessary. It’s a global economy so the world really needs independence from oil, not just us. Just now, Deranged Rhino said: For clarity, you WANT a war with Iran? That’s what you want me to want. And no I do not. I actually wanted the Obama nuclear deal to keep going which was working. It worked so well that Trump was telling Iran to stay in the deal after he pulled out of it! <——— please read that last sentence again because it will be something you and all Trump supporters will forget almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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