SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It must be tough for you, trying to think and all Democrats are really missing an opportunity to push for Green Energy here. How much do we spend defending the oil network? How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It must be tough for you, trying to think and all Democrats are really missing an opportunity to push for Green Energy here. How much do we spend defending the oil network? You criticize someone for not thinking on their own is one of the funniest things I’ve heard I a very long time. How about we continue to work on becoming energy self sufficient with the forms of energy we have now to make the ME as irrelevant as possible as opposed to completely changing how we produce energy. Which do you think is more feasible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. You do remember the Iraq War, right? And all the military bases we have other there. Better to spend the money on improving ourselves instead. We can still sell them weapons though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How much do we spend defending the oil network? Like what? We sell these countries planes and weapons. I’m guessing we ‘spend’ very little. Our taxes pay for the military spending. Military spending is very, very high and eats way too much of our tax dollars, imo. Employees and stock holders of defense contractors benefit from weapon sales to foreign countries. Most taxpayers see no actual return on these weapon sales to foreigners. One might say that we benefit because now 'our allies' can fight their own battles, sparing our personnel. I guess we will see if the Saudis retaliate or if they hire us to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: The damage Iran could do to the Saudi oil supply and shut down the Strait of Hormuz could devastate the world economy. They need to negotiate not escalate . You don't understand the mentality of the people we are dealing with. One doesn't hold out hope that you can negotiate peacefully with those snakes. They only understand one thing and the threat of causing them deep pain needs to be proven to them. That threat of deep pain can only be displayed by showing them enough smaller pain to convince them that they don't want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? The "extreme sanctions" are due to their extreme actions. They are a lawless country willing to disrupt the world's oil supply and commit piracy. They are financing terrorism. It's time to teach them a lesson that they'll never forget, not let them get nuclear weapons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: These extreme sanctions on Iran has them backed into a corner. Do they capitulate or disrupt the world oil supply ? Backing an opponent into a corner almost forces them to lash out. That's just basic human nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Fact: Four out of the five vetoes Trump has issued have been over Saudi Arabia https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump:_Vetoed_legislation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: The "extreme sanctions" are due to their extreme actions. They are a lawless country willing to disrupt the world's oil supply and commit piracy. They are financing terrorism. It's time to teach them a lesson that they'll never forget, not let them get nuclear weapons. If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, TH3 said: SA - home of the 9-11 terrorists.....and peace and stability LOL Now do Iran... we will wait. 4 minutes ago, ALF said: If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. They won’t. The mullahs will fold first. They’re desperate not because they are strong but because they have no strength left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: They won’t. The mullahs will fold first. They’re desperate not because they are strong but because they have no strength left. If Saudis retaliate anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, ALF said: If Iran seriously cuts the world's oil supply due to sanctions will Trump be re-elected ? The rest of the world will blame him. First of all, Iran can't do that on a permanent basis. Second, we are fast approaching a greater capacity for making up that production. Goody, more business for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Now do Iran... we will wait. What? Sanction them? We already did. Saudi Arabia is next? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I don't know who posted this to thank: ? (I found it! Thanks @B-Man) Saudi oil attacks did not spark a US oil crisis. Thank Texas. "The world is not facing an oil crisis. Yes, half of Saudi Arabia’s daily production capacity was knocked out last week when facilities were damaged by airstrikes. Yes, if it takes many months for the Saudis to repair the facility, that could keep oil prices elevated. But there is no energy crisis, at least not today. No need for the U.S. military to secure oil in the Middle East for American consumption, no immediate need to tap emergency U.S. oil reserves, certainly no need to top off your gas tank today and hoard fuel in your garage. That’s because the world, and especially the U.S., has plenty of oil. The Saudis have enough reserves to keep their customers supplied for a month; the kingdom even told other OPEC countries to stand down in boosting production. And U.S. producers have the ability to quickly boost oil production thanks to fracking technology. Consider that the U.S. now produces more oil than Saudi Arabia" </snip> Edited September 17, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, ALF said: If Saudis retaliate anything can happen. Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Any experts out there want to chime in on what this means? Not something I'm all that familiar with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) People forget that KSA has a defense agreement in place with Israel, including overfly rights. And there's a reason Israel got operational F-35s early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Fear not, truly. They've been kinetically fighting Iran and its proxies (with our help) for going on 2.5 years now. It's just not covered in the news. The attack by Iran was a death rattle, not the beginning of a new phase of instability. Their country has been in open revolution for over a year (again, not covered properly by western media -- ask yourself why), the people want the Mullahs gone and the GCC (which are our allies, led by KSA), Israel, and US forces have been wiping up Hamas and Hezbollah without fanfare, defanging Iran for precisely this reason. Their ability to retaliate -- short of all out war (which is what the establishment DC wants, the media wants, the DNC wants, and the Mullahs), there's not much left in the Iranian terror toolkit. And if they go the all out war route, it won't be Iraq 3. It won't be an invasion. It'll be a surgical strike(s) to wipe out the Mullahs and the IRGC. (And Israel will do the bulk of that with our spooky support.) So are we doing all this to Iran for Israel? Has Israel attacked the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. Just now, Tiberius said: So are we doing all this to Iran for Israel? Has Israel attacked the USA? No. We're doing this because Iran is the aggressor. Not us. Not the Saudis. Not Israel. Iran. They attacked. Not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. Trump's the one that got us to this point. He literally begged Iran to get back into Obama's deal. <------- Remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Any experts out there want to chime in on what this means? Not something I'm all that familiar with. Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: True -- which is why we're in the position we're in with Iran now. Rhodes and Obama went through great lengths to make Iran happy at the expense of our own national security: Stuxnet Operation Cassandra Hamas Bomb material depots in Britain and the US DOJ/FBI/IC all ordered to look the other way. Why? The Mullahs paid. No. We're doing this because Iran is the aggressor. Not us. Not the Saudis. Not Israel. Iran. They attacked. Not us. Didn't Trump attack them by blockading them? Why did he do that? Then told them to stay in the deal he called worst ever? This is all on Trump. No worries, I mean he went to a campaign rally after this attack on the brutal dictatorship of Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Probably a readiness exercise. Those ships are held in 5-day readiness, they have to test that occasionally (annually or more frequently). Since those are all in CONUS, and this apparently doesn't involve any frontline prepositioning ships, it's probably nothing. Fun fact: the TS Golden Bear is actually a California State University campus. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's not. Obama sold out the country's security and global stability to appease Iran. His policies (and Rhodes/Brennan/Clapper) is why we're here with Iran. Not Trump. Trump is fixing the issue the way it should have been addressed under Obama. If Obama wasn't compromised/sellout. No, we were at peace with Iran and had them even let inspectors in. All our allies were with us, now? Not so much Trump is a colossal failure at foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Thanks for that. Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Hell of a lot of lift capacity, though. Each Ro-Ro can carry roughly a battalion task force, which means that total activated force is theoretically enough to carry about two heavy divisions plus limited logistical support (a couple of weeks, maybe). Or, roughly speaking, the heavy component (minus airborne forces) of the invasion of Iraq. If it is something, we'll see other indicators: increased Marine training cycles, NG activation, movements to ports of these ships for loading (they're maintained at 5-day readiness, but not kept laden), sudden new orders cut for the amphibious fleet. I highly doubt we'll see any of that - that's a months-long lead time for the commitment of a force that would require as much tonnage as this activation represents. Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Any chance it could be both an exercise and a bit of a head fake for Iran? Unlikely without other indicators. But it's Trump, and he's an idiot, so I have to admit it's possible he'd say "Let's activate the ready reserve, just to scare Iran!" without understanding that it is in no way going to scare Iran. So I can't say it's completely impossible, just unlikely and stupid. 1 minute ago, GG said: Remember the wayward post from an idiot on FB that claimed DoD ordered the entire L3 or Moog inventory a few months back? No, I do not. I try not to recall facebook at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Oh goodie! And after they report it's Iran, then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DC Tom Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hedge said: Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: Anyone mention yet that Aramco's planning an IPO before the end of the year? Was planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Was planning. Read today it was still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Read today it was still on. That should be a very interesting offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) Saudi promises 'material evidence' linking Iran to attack ( 10:30 AM EDT ? ) The Saudi defence ministry said it will hold a news conference at 14:30 GMT to present "material evidence and Iranian weapons proving the Iranian regime's involvement in the terrorist attack". Riyadh previously said preliminary results showed the attack did not come from Yemen. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/09/saudi-oil-attacks-latest-updates-190916102800973.html Edited September 18, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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